nixluva wrote:

Dagger wrote:If this is not a set-up for another move then Grunwald should be dismissed. Bargnani is crap. His shooting numbers- inefficient crap, his scoring numbers- nothing special, his rebounding numbers- passable for a f**king shooting guard, too bad
this loser stands 7 feet tall (inconceivably terrible). His assist numbers- awful considering the amount of time he had the ball in his hands, his defense- atrocious. His contract sucks, his game sucks, and we gave up 3 picks to take this sack of **** off the raptor's hands, and to TOP IT ALL OFF he doesn't fill a need in any way whatsoever, in fact he makes crippled amare redundant. This NEEDS to be a setup for a trade, it HAS to be, if not then wow, just wow.

Please don't post crap without proof. Bargs when healthy is an efficient player. Especially for someone who is playing away from the basket a lot of the time. For 2 seasons before he got hurt he was up around 2 assists a game. So let's not talk ish about a player when most of the problems have come in the last 2 years where he hardly played.

Bargs would fill a need for a scoring big who can also stretch the floor and not get in Melo's way, but still be effective. Then when Melo is off the floor he can post as much as he wants. That fills a need. We just need to coach him up and get him to dig in on D and the boards a bit more. That's how you should be looking at this.

Just stop it. There is a reason this guy was traded for 2 piles of garbage from the end of our bench

nixluva wrote:

Dagger wrote:If this is not a set-up for another move then Grunwald should be dismissed. Bargnani is crap. His shooting numbers- inefficient crap, his scoring numbers- nothing special, his rebounding numbers- passable for a f**king shooting guard, too bad
this loser stands 7 feet tall (inconceivably terrible). His assist numbers- awful considering the amount of time he had the ball in his hands, his defense- atrocious. His contract sucks, his game sucks, and we gave up 3 picks to take this sack of **** off the raptor's hands, and to TOP IT ALL OFF he doesn't fill a need in any way whatsoever, in fact he makes crippled amare redundant. This NEEDS to be a setup for a trade, it HAS to be, if not then wow, just wow.

Please don't post crap without proof. Bargs when healthy is an efficient player. Especially for someone who is playing away from the basket a lot of the time. For 2 seasons before he got hurt he was up around 2 assists a game. So let's not talk ish about a player when most of the problems have come in the last 2 years where he hardly played.

Bargs would fill a need for a scoring big who can also stretch the floor and not get in Melo's way, but still be effective. Then when Melo is off the floor he can post as much as he wants. That fills a need. We just need to coach him up and get him to dig in on D and the boards a bit more. That's how you should be looking at this.

I figured you wouldn't need me to post easily accessible stats from his last couple of seasons, but I'd be happy to if anyone wants it. Last season's stats, straight from basketballreference.com FG%: 39.9%, 3P%: 30.9%, TRB: 3.7, AST: 1.1, STL: .06, BLK: .07, PTS: 12.7..

Now please show me the "crap" of which you speak in my previous post. Based on these numbers I'd say my analysis is quite valid. Now give me the proof for your insights. His 43% career FG% makes a strong case he was never anything more than mediocre AND that's ignoring the other, significantly weaker facets of his game.

JamesKPolk wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

Really? I wonder what the hold up was.

The hold up is he is an awful defender with a worse contract.

JamesKPolk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:GS offered Lee for Bargs and they took the Knicks deal--we couldve had chocie of taking David Lee I would have to assume

Really? I wonder what the hold up was.

The hold up is he is an awful defender with a worse contract.

Lee's contract is longer and bigger. Raps have a new gm and he wants the flexibility to make his own moves. He already has Fields and Gay on his cap. He will have to be creative and might have to pass up talent in the process.

Lee is not worth the money or years on any team.

He was close to 19 pts and over 11 boards a game. He has had those numbers for a couple of years. Compared to some he is definitely worth the money.

CrushAlot wrote:

JayNYC wrote:For the record... I mean NBA.COM does have his career stats.. I mean C'mon, this argument should be over. LOL Y'all like who y'all like.. I don't hate Bargnani.. but I ain't tryna overhype this dude either. He is an underachieving finesse forward with special offensive talent, Doesn't rebound better than alotta 2 guards in the A.. Handles the rock way too much while not getting assists.. and is not some super sniper. If you think he is, you are fooling yourself.. This is Amare all over again. Matter fact, I ain't gon even disrespect STAT like that at least he gave us 5 boards 15 ppg w/ no knees.. a bum back, and 1 eye socket cracked! #FACTS

Amare had a timeline on his knees after surgery. That is why he isn't still in Phoenix and why his contract wasn't insured. Bargs had an elbow injury that effected his shot and caused him to miss around 50 games. He is 27, healthy enough to play for Italy in September and has a contract that is insured and he doesn't have a timeline on his elbow. He has struggled with injuries and was maligned in Toronto. But he is reported to be healthy, is seven feet tall, is the former #1 pick in the draft and gives the Knicks cap relief when Amare expires. Trading a 39 year old that can't get on the court and a one dimensional guy that you got after he was waived and overpaid doesn't seem to be something worthy of a multiple thread if it is negative.

You do know that Bargnani has never played a full NBA season?.. I think his best yr was 80 games. I ain't gon even go into a deeper comparison between STAT and Bargs hahaha, I mean fa real... you gotta know who has the better career thus far. Maybe you don't overstand.. I dont care that CAMBY OR NOVAK ARE GONE. I care that we traded a future pick away for a player that does the same thing that our existing does.. its a LATERAL MOVE. If you are going to mortgage your future, get something that satisfies multiple needs. Bargnani is no different than STAT.. Hell might be worse. My opinion, you clearly think otherwise... we will just need to wait and see. I'd love for him to come in here and avg 20.. dare i say 8 boards.. If he gives you 20 and 8 boards then he'll just replace the numbers of guess who?

JayNYC wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JayNYC wrote:For the record... I mean NBA.COM does have his career stats.. I mean C'mon, this argument should be over. LOL Y'all like who y'all like.. I don't hate Bargnani.. but I ain't tryna overhype this dude either. He is an underachieving finesse forward with special offensive talent, Doesn't rebound better than alotta 2 guards in the A.. Handles the rock way too much while not getting assists.. and is not some super sniper. If you think he is, you are fooling yourself.. This is Amare all over again. Matter fact, I ain't gon even disrespect STAT like that at least he gave us 5 boards 15 ppg w/ no knees.. a bum back, and 1 eye socket cracked! #FACTS

Amare had a timeline on his knees after surgery. That is why he isn't still in Phoenix and why his contract wasn't insured. Bargs had an elbow injury that effected his shot and caused him to miss around 50 games. He is 27, healthy enough to play for Italy in September and has a contract that is insured and he doesn't have a timeline on his elbow. He has struggled with injuries and was maligned in Toronto. But he is reported to be healthy, is seven feet tall, is the former #1 pick in the draft and gives the Knicks cap relief when Amare expires. Trading a 39 year old that can't get on the court and a one dimensional guy that you got after he was waived and overpaid doesn't seem to be something worthy of a multiple thread if it is negative.

You do know that Bargnani has never played a full NBA season?.. I think his best yr was 80 games. I ain't gon even go into a deeper comparison between STAT and Bargs hahaha, I mean fa real... you gotta know who has the better career thus far. Maybe you don't overstand.. I dont care that CAMBY OR NOVAK ARE GONE. I care that we traded a future pick away for a player that does the same thing that our existing does.. its a LATERAL MOVE. If you are going to mortgage your future, get something that satisfies multiple needs. Bargnani is no different than STAT.. Hell might be worse. My opinion, you clearly think otherwise... we will just need to wait and see. I'd love for him to come in here and avg 20.. dare i say 8 boards.. If he gives you 20 and 8 boards then he'll just replace the numbers of guess who?

nixluva wrote:

JayNYC wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JayNYC wrote:For the record... I mean NBA.COM does have his career stats.. I mean C'mon, this argument should be over. LOL Y'all like who y'all like.. I don't hate Bargnani.. but I ain't tryna overhype this dude either. He is an underachieving finesse forward with special offensive talent, Doesn't rebound better than alotta 2 guards in the A.. Handles the rock way too much while not getting assists.. and is not some super sniper. If you think he is, you are fooling yourself.. This is Amare all over again. Matter fact, I ain't gon even disrespect STAT like that at least he gave us 5 boards 15 ppg w/ no knees.. a bum back, and 1 eye socket cracked! #FACTS

Amare had a timeline on his knees after surgery. That is why he isn't still in Phoenix and why his contract wasn't insured. Bargs had an elbow injury that effected his shot and caused him to miss around 50 games. He is 27, healthy enough to play for Italy in September and has a contract that is insured and he doesn't have a timeline on his elbow. He has struggled with injuries and was maligned in Toronto. But he is reported to be healthy, is seven feet tall, is the former #1 pick in the draft and gives the Knicks cap relief when Amare expires. Trading a 39 year old that can't get on the court and a one dimensional guy that you got after he was waived and overpaid doesn't seem to be something worthy of a multiple thread if it is negative.

You do know that Bargnani has never played a full NBA season?.. I think his best yr was 80 games. I ain't gon even go into a deeper comparison between STAT and Bargs hahaha, I mean fa real... you gotta know who has the better career thus far. Maybe you don't overstand.. I dont care that CAMBY OR NOVAK ARE GONE. I care that we traded a future pick away for a player that does the same thing that our existing does.. its a LATERAL MOVE. If you are going to mortgage your future, get something that satisfies multiple needs. Bargnani is no different than STAT.. Hell might be worse. My opinion, you clearly think otherwise... we will just need to wait and see. I'd love for him to come in here and avg 20.. dare i say 8 boards.. If he gives you 20 and 8 boards then he'll just replace the numbers of guess who?

Why are you being obtuse? You're saying Bargs will only replace STAT's numbers as if you know for a fact that STAT isn't playing next year. While it's entirely possible that STAT won't play a full season, as it is right now we don't know for sure that anyone is going to remain healthy next season. That's just pro sports. So it can't be a "lateral" move if Bargs isn't here to replace STAT, but the 2 guys he was traded for. COME SON! Stop with the garbage trolling. Your arguments aren't even making sense.

I would think if we can keep the minutes down for both STAT and Bargs that should help both players. That's why you want to build a deep team. Bargs hasn't had any major surgery and from reports he's healthy.

LOLOLOLOL YOU ARE FUNNY! Seriously.. my argument isn't making sense? He is a PF correct? Amare is a PF correct? The idea is to have a more conventional Lineup, shifting melo to Small Forward correct? By your argument, is it safe to assume that Bargnani will absolutely remain healthy? Remember.. it is "pro sports", not for nothing, we do have statistical evidence that supports Andrea's inability to play a full season as well! Again using your line of reasoning.. Amare can't stay healthy.. may or may not right? So if Bargnani ain't here to offset his production, who is? YOUR ARGUMENT, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE... HE IS CLEARLY HERE TO PROVIDE INSURANCE AND PRODUCTION AT PF.. The lateral nature is merely this, Both players are Injury Plagued (Check) Both have severe limitations on defense (check) Both rebound poorly for their positions (check) both can avg 20 when healthy (check). What ULTIMATELY makes this a lateral move is that there is NO drastic improvement IF he surplants STAT. While trading away two seldomly used players for him is a coup, getting future cap relief is a plus.. losing a pick is not! Lastly, it's "COME ON SUN" Not son (You are not my father).. and definitely not "COME SON".. (YOU GETTIN JASON COLLINS STATUS WIT THAT MO) EZ

Most people are complaining about the thread due to the inclusion of the 2016 1st rounder (Denver sway which will likely be at 22 plus position in the draft). Funny thing is that if we kept the pick, the same people would likely be complaining about the pick we made at that position in the draft (see threads on Hardaway for examples).

I like the trade mainly for getting an ancient and non-contributing Camby off the roster......and also it takes the extra year of the Novak contract off the books. Gives us another offensive option and allows the team to have a complete retool starting in 2015.

Biggest problem and flaw on the current Knicks roster continues to be Amare's unmovable contract. Hopefully he is at least healthy enough to be semi productive next year.