yellowboy90 wrote:it's amazing the lack of comments after a win but a loss and it blows up.

This is a fact. Winning threads barely break past 19 pages where as losses go on and on to 25 - 30 + pages.
I bet if someone assessed all the game threads this season and compared the avg total page #s for wins vs losses, the average for losses were higher.

NYKMentality wrote:

Papabear wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it's amazing the lack of comments after a win but a loss and it blows up.

LOL so true!

Im excited about the Heat game, especially since we are on a winning streak. We have a chance of proving we still are contending material while stopping their now 13-game winning streak.

And Camby will play!!!

Damn right to both post's. It's the people who hide under a rock after Knick wins that make remarks such as "NYKMentality is no where to be found during loses". Which is bull****t. I'm here defending our players non stop. Created a thread on RealGM last year not even 5 minutes after we were eliminated, thanking the fan base for a fun ride in regards to posting throughout the season. Took a little break from here during all-star weekend, the negativity was insane, but it's sad how the same guilty conscience hypocrites then become the same posters stating that I'm "not around for loses". My ass.

Why is this place so dead after Knick wins? Because the little lovers of Lin, Gallo, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov, D'Antoni, **Pekovic** along with all other ex-Knicks have nothing to pick on and/or make fun of after Knick wins. That's why this place is quiet after Knick victories. Let me guess, they're currently too busy watching their Denver Nuggets vs. OKC Thunder. Yea. Right. Too busy to enjoy a Knicks win.

They make me out to be a bandwagon fan all because I believe in our Knicks, talk up our Knicks and go at these guys as they surround every Knicks related topic with negativity. I've loved the Knicks and Jets since childhood days. Knicks were my first love in regards to sports. Became a Jets fan back in 1995 and quickly realized our franchise wasn't good (to say the least). But my Knicks were different. They showed me winning basketball. Never seen my Knicks win a championship. Yet I'm the one who only comes around after wins. lol. As if I'm a Lakers/Celtics fan.

Papabear Says

Hey I'm a fan and a die hard Knicks fan. I didn't post because I was catching up with everyone else posts. And after reading every post of the Wiz vs the Knicks tonight it's real sad to see that 75% of the posts were negative or close to it. What's going on?? Sometime I don't know if I'm on the Knicks forum or a we hate the Knicks forum. The first winning season in a long time and we are chopping up this team like I've never seen before on this forum. Oh I have my questions about this team but what I am reading, It's real sad.

I'm with ya my dude. Papabear's one of strongest posters on our Knicks forum, but yet was left off the list of best posters. Same with OGk. A positive fun loving Knicks fan, enjoying a great season; falls off the face of the earth. Because of the posters here. You know what Bear? Think back on it. We're on a 4 game losing streak. And I responded to you personally on here, and told you to not lose hope or enjoyment in regards to our season. Don't let these negative fans ruin our greatest season since possibly 1993-1994. That's what I stated my dude. I've seen it before. And OG, keep lighting up those L's after Melo gets that first bucket. Our franchise player isn't in a three legged horse race with Durant and LeBron for the scoring title for nothing.

Look around and observe the situation(s) of these threads during loses and/or after wins. It's sad to see. I see so much potential in this place. This is a great forum with a great front office in regards to our owners/mods. These guys who look over this place? They allow the truth to play out. Us posters? We decide who's right and who's off basis with reality. I enjoy that. This place allows a New York fan base, to be just that... A fan base. But as long time Knick fans who remember our fun years of the entire 90's and remember the heartbreaking years thereafter? We shouldn't allow these guys the opportunity and/or enjoyment to ruin this season and/or this forum on us.

Lets beat the Heat come Sunday. Madison Square Garden.

Keep ignoring posts that don't suit your agenda.

JamesKPolk wrote:That's because you need to understand basketball.

People here don't realize that GM's, scouts, coaches and all executives in an organization don't live on a game to game basis. They evaluate their team throughout the year, win or lose, and make judgments. It would probably be hilarious if Grunwald posted his thoughts on what the Knicks did wrong RIGHT after a win and a bunch of people started calling him a "hater" "KNICK/MELO LOVER". Because that's what will probably happen. If Grunwald posted here undercover, or any GM for that matter, and expressed his thoughts he would be insulted and told to STFU and enjoy the win THE KNICKS AREN'T WINNING ANYTHING EVER AND DON'T DESERVE THEIR WINNING RECORD. Guys like . . . . . are so defensive about everything that it's hard to take seriously. He is trying too hard to sugarcoat things that can't be defended UNDERMINE THE GOOD ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT CAN BE COMMENDED. It's insulting to many people's intelligence and downright annoying. Stop denying the truth.

Can you see the other side to your argument?? What you referred to as the "truth" was actually only half of the story. The whole truth accounts for the good and the bad.

Since you consider yourself an expert on basketball, certainly enough of an expert to belittle the knowledge of another poster as the opening line of your post does, perhaps you need to take a little time to understand LIFE. Some people see the glass half full, other see the glass half empty. It doesn't make one right or another wrong. Whether you're an optimist or a pessimist, you're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. People who can't acknowledge any good in state of the Knicks and speak in an equally defensive manner can't be taken seriously either. If you can't acknowledge this...then you're in the same boat as those you are accusing.

I call out the bad as I see it but I can enjoy the good as well. Nothing is perfect and there's always room for improvement. As far as the game tonight, we made the right plays when it counted just like we did in the game before that. The effort was clearly there this time around vs the Wizards...so was the ball movement. Kidd needs to rest and get his back right..they weren't even bothering to guard him out there at the end. We need him to get his mojo back before the playoffs. Even though he's playing horrible at the moment...he made a significant contribution to a lot of our early wins. We need that Kidd back.

Glad to have a little momentum going into the next game.
BEAT THE HEAT.

Road wins are big for this team and the wiz are no pushovers!

MinsHeartsReezy wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it's amazing the lack of comments after a win but a loss and it blows up.

This is a fact. Winning threads barely break past 19 pages where as losses go on and on to 25 - 30 + pages.
I bet if someone assessed all the game threads this season and compared the avg total page #s for wins vs losses, the average for losses were higher.

It is pretty easy to decipher. We are supposed to contend for a championship. Does anyone really expect us to be celebrating after "give me" wins? Since we were playing so well and since the expectations are high, you are going to have lots of people complaining after losses that should be easy wins - and rightfully so. We don't or haven't been playing good defense and the ball movement is mostly gone - relying on Melo's ISO plays much more than at the start of the season to boot. So, on the one hand people are pissed, but on the other, they just want to see us play like we can - and not win per say. (The wins are a given in sense).

VCoug wrote:

As I said after the Warriors game
A W is a W, and it’s better than an L, but these are singularly unimpressive wins, and none of the issues that have plagued this team in their rush to mediocrity over the last coupla months are being addressed.

Starting James White is literally a slap in the face to STAT. Woody is saying to STAT I’d rather start the scrub at the end of the bench then start you. STAT is a team player, a good soldier, but he’s also a prideful man. There’s gonna be a point where Woody’s snubs and slap-downs are gonna start affecting STAT’s motivation and play.

I suppose we’ll see against the Heat tomorrow whether this team can come up with a championship-calibre effort against a championship-calibre team. I’m not optimistic, but as a fan, I hope for the best.

by leftvet on Mar 2, 2013 4:39 AM PST up reply actions

Stole that from the postgame thread on P&T this morning and I completely agree. Three wins in a row is nice, and it's certainly better than the alternative, but I have no confidence that we've turned any sort of corner with this team. We still look like the same mediocre team that's been playing .500 ball since December, we're just eking out wins against bad, tired competition, and/or hurt/suspended competition. I'm dreading tomorrow.

I disagree in reference to the poster's points about amare. I think white is a place holder until Woodson can bring in smith. Amare needs his minutes restricted to stay healthy. If that keeps amare on the court I think it's great. Also shump was so active on d last night. I was a bit frustrated that Kidd got the minutes over shump but that is probably how it will go for awhile. I think melo posting and going to the hoop, drawing fouls is another positive change. I can't wait for the heat in the garden.

But let's look at some recent wins and losses:
Wizzards @ 21 games under .500
GS @ 33-26, no David Lee
Loss@Toronta @ 23-36
Loss@Indiana @ 37-22 - We got pounded
Loss again @ Toronto
Loss @ LA

This continues and the games we had been winning against good teams, were mostly closer.

Look, there is not much to get excited about. We haven't been a fun team to watch since that initial great start we had. Now, don't take this as hating, personal, etc. This is just an observation.
I hope we turn things around. I will be rooting like all Knicks fans once we get into the playoffs but till then I'm just calling what I see, as many many Knick fans have been.

CrushAlot wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney - I'm not focusing on the Wizzards win and won't argue with the essence of your post.

But let's look at some recent wins and losses:
Wizzards @ 21 games under .500
GS @ 33-26, no David Lee
Loss@Toronta @ 23-36
Loss@Indiana @ 37-22 - We got pounded
Loss again @ Toronto
Loss @ LA

This continues and the games we had been winning against good teams, were mostly closer.

Look, there is not much to get excited about. We haven't been a fun team to watch since that initial great start we had. Now, don't take this as hating, personal, etc. This is just an observation.
I hope we turn things around. I will be rooting like all Knicks fans once we get into the playoffs but till then I'm just calling what I see, as many many Knick fans have been.

I think the Knicks have become more of a grinding team lately. Its a little harder to watch but they are winning. Toronto is a different team with Gay. Also, guys like Alan Henderson and Trevor Ariza give the Knicks fits. Not sure what to do about that.

To say there's not much to be excited about is silly. I'm as disappointed as many about the 180 this team did since December. But we're 2nd in the conference and have the best team we've had in a long time.

Let's see if this little winning streak we're building leads to better play overall. Everyone, myself included, has to learn how to enjoy the ride more. We can beat anyone in the conference besides Miami. But if we get to face them in the ECF, maybe we can catch lightning Ina bottle.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:CashMoney - I'm not focusing on the Wizzards win and won't argue with the essence of your post.

But let's look at some recent wins and losses:
Wizzards @ 21 games under .500
GS @ 33-26, no David Lee
Loss@Toronta @ 23-36
Loss@Indiana @ 37-22 - We got pounded
Loss again @ Toronto
Loss @ LA

This continues and the games we had been winning against good teams, were mostly closer.

Look, there is not much to get excited about. We haven't been a fun team to watch since that initial great start we had. Now, don't take this as hating, personal, etc. This is just an observation.
I hope we turn things around. I will be rooting like all Knicks fans once we get into the playoffs but till then I'm just calling what I see, as many many Knick fans have been.

IMHO winning a game is fun. What gets to me is that we lose a game the forum explodes with negative threads and posts and when we win theres always an excuse for the other team. For example, GS not hvaing Lee doesn't mean we don't win that game. Probably means that Curry doesn't go off for 54. We beat Philly, GS and the Wiz for 3 in a row but since these are games "we should win" there's no reason to be happy?

I really don't get it. This is the best team we've had in over a decade, we're 1st in the Atlantic and 2nd in the E.C. yet that's not good enough for many. Teams go through funks throughout a season. Yeah, we've been playing .500 ball for 30 games but we still have 28 games left. Many think just because we should beat a team on paper that a W should be guaranteed. Reality is any team can be beaten on any given night. Didn't the Spurs have their home winning streak broken by the Suns after being up by 14 in the 4th quarter? The Heat and Thunder lost to the Wiz before we did. No big deal but we do it and it's the end of the world. SMFH...

Damn right. Well said.

When I look at this team, we have one great player in Melo, a potential all star in Chandler. I really like Chandler, but he does everything but score and that hurts. The old folks are all hurt or apparently near collapsing (see Kidd). The coach (or team) just isn't pushing it on D, their doesn't seem to be much in the way of offensive play calling - it is mostly Melo (not completely, but for example, how many plays do we run for Novak to get open looks? I mean one of the best 3 pt shooters out there.) We need to get the team involved more as come the playoffs, they are going to COMPLETELY focus on Melo, cause, well, no one else is doing much out side of JR (and that is on occasion). And on top of all of it, there is still the cloud of Lin in the air because of Feltons often poor play (and Kidd being toast and Priggs just being ehhh.)

I guess I'm just disappointed in how many ways the team is playing below it's capability (from the coach to basically all of the players.) Again, I'll root for the team, but I'm never a total optimist or pessimist. Those are not realists, they are what they are. Maybe that can be fun (optimist) or just terrible. I try to just report what I'm seeing and well, when all is said and done, looking at our recent record (outside the great start) is just blah AND it accurately describes our play.

earthmansurfer wrote:Without a doubt, it's fun to watch your team win. I think the problem arises when you have expectations for a championship, start the year VERY strongly as we did and then, outside of Melo and Chandler, show very little that gives hope for a championship. I mean we are barely playing like a top 10 team. We are NOTHING, absolutely nothing like the top teams out there. They are playing much much much better than we have been. The old guys that many of us worried about getting injured are STILL injured (except Priggs, he gets hardly any minutes). Kidd looks a bit like toast as well. When I think back to those teams of the 90's and the defense they played, how they generally gave their best, etc., now that was a team you can support.

When I look at this team, we have one great player in Melo, a potential all star in Chandler. I really like Chandler, but he does everything but score and that hurts. The old folks are all hurt or apparently near collapsing (see Kidd). The coach (or team) just isn't pushing it on D, their doesn't seem to be much in the way of offensive play calling - it is mostly Melo (not completely, but for example, how many plays do we run for Novak to get open looks? I mean one of the best 3 pt shooters out there.) We need to get the team involved more as come the playoffs, they are going to COMPLETELY focus on Melo, cause, well, no one else is doing much out side of JR (and that is on occasion). And on top of all of it, there is still the cloud of Lin in the air because of Feltons often poor play (and Kidd being toast and Priggs just being ehhh.)

I guess I'm just disappointed in how many ways the team is playing below it's capability (from the coach to basically all of the players.) Again, I'll root for the team, but I'm never a total optimist or pessimist. Those are not realists, they are what they are. Maybe that can be fun (optimist) or just terrible. I try to just report what I'm seeing and well, when all is said and done, looking at our recent record (outside the great start) is just blah AND it accurately describes our play.