CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote: the clock has been ticking on anthony since february 2011. he and his wife got exactly what they wanted and on their terms-- big money and a more glamorous address. i don't wish ill on him and his wife but you reap what you sow.

something is wrong with you

Not sure what you meant by you reap what you sow if you are not wishing ill will. Again in that economic climate, Anthony and the nuggets did nothing wrong. The owners had told the players they were locking them out to reign in salaries and make free agency more restrictive. The cavs and raps had lost their stars for nothing. There was no way melo was going to be a nugget after the trading deadline. This fantasy that he should have waited for the offseason, the lockout, and the new cba so that he could play with better Players, make less money and ethically screw the nuggets is crazy. This was never going to happen. Nuggets were never waiting. Maybe you should say you just hate melo because there is no basis for your unethical argument.

karma has nothing to do with personal animus or ill will, nor does the adage "you reap what you sow," nor even does the statement "they had it coming to them." so please stop accusing me of it. there is a child involved and that is already tragic.

as to the rest of the post you do make a compelling argument. but then i would say in response that he should have gone to the nets instead. that way the knicks could have continued to rebuild. but dolan had to step in and foul the nest. the last thing a player should do is jeopardize the place he is trying to get to, but when you have a hapless doofus like dolan around common sense and pragmatism is a vague rumor. the trade made zero sense for carmelo because he hurt the knicks and it made zero sense for dolan because he had a gm who was working from a plan.

i have heard all the justifications a million times so there's no need to go into them here-- it's water under the bridge. but the clock is ticking and i want to see results, like finals appearance results.

Thanks for clearing things up. Please refrain from posting fantasy scenarios where the nuggets let melo go for nothing and Carmelo hangs around so that he can make a lot less after the owners locked out the players in his free agent year. Just say you hate the guy. You can do it in three words rather then writing all or your fantasy scenarios that end with melo being your villain.

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knickscity wrote:What's interesting is Doc defended his player and called Melo a snitch, Woodson didn't even support his player nearly as much.

Doc can go ahead and defend his player [read: LIE ON HIS BEHALF] all he wants, but the "snitching" part made absolutely no sense. Melo expressly told the media "you will never know what was said". Melo said nothing. Melo didn't want any of it to get out. So I don't know where Doc was coming from with this idea that Melo is the one who is telling the world KG trashed his wife, "to get out of trouble". Just WTF all over.

Rivers chalked up the incident to Anthony trying to deflect attention back to Garnett.

"Guys, you know how this works," Rivers said. "A guy does something crazy like Carmelo did, and the way to get out of trouble is to say, 'Well, he said this.' It happens all the time, and what bugs me about this whole thing is this is not a Kevin Garnett issue. And it was made into one, and it shouldn't have been made into one."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8831758/boston-celtics-coach-doc-rivers-says-kevin-garnett-make-rumored-comments-carmelo-anthony-wife

Given how adamant Melo was with the reporters that "you will never know what was said", his remarks made zero sense. Melo isn't saying WHAT KG said. He's not making anything up "to get out of trouble", he refuses to discuss what was said, other than it being something you don't say to another man. But, yeah, Doc seemed to be trying to paint KG as the victim when he is anything but.

NYDiva wrote:No, he did! He blamed everything being made public on Melo:

Rivers chalked up the incident to Anthony trying to deflect attention back to Garnett.

"Guys, you know how this works," Rivers said. "A guy does something crazy like Carmelo did, and the way to get out of trouble is to say, 'Well, he said this.' It happens all the time, and what bugs me about this whole thing is this is not a Kevin Garnett issue. And it was made into one, and it shouldn't have been made into one."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8831758/boston-celtics-coach-doc-rivers-says-kevin-garnett-make-rumored-comments-carmelo-anthony-wife

Given how adamant Melo was with the reporters that "you will never know what was said", his remarks made zero sense. Melo isn't saying WHAT KG said. He's not making anything up "to get out of trouble", he refuses to discuss what was said, other than it being something you don't say to another man. But, yeah, Doc seemed to be trying to paint KG as the victim when he is anything but.

Oh, I see. I thought the "snitch" comment you were referring to was the one from the statement Doc gave the night of the incident:

"Celtics coach Doc Rivers didn't exactly deny the whispers in the hallways when asked whether Anthony came in search of a confrontation.

"I'm going to let y'all figure that one out," Rivers said. "I'm going to stay out of that. If it was the playoffs, I'd tell on him, but since it's not, I'm going to just be quiet."

Rivers took two subtle jabs with that remark: While offering a non-denial on Anthony's actions, he referenced reports that Atlanta Hawks general manager Danny Ferry snitched on Rajon Rondo for bumping a game official during Saturday night's game in Atlanta, an act that led to Rondo being hit with a one-game suspension that forced him to sit out Monday's game in New York. Ferry was fined $15,000 by the NBA for inappropriate interaction with game officials following the game."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8823531/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-sought-confront-boston-celtics-loss-report

But I agree it makes no sense whatsoever what Doc is implying. The only details we've heard was from some unidentified person on twitter and another anonymous source that said that what KG said was actually really bad and Melo had a reason to be angry. We don't even know if it was true.

Sebstar, it's all how you spin it right? Like you suggested, more vocal support from Woody and his teammates earlier on would have helped Melo's case. I'm surprised no one asked JR b/c he's always pretty candid.
At the end of the day, calling Melo's actions "crazy" is not going to negate the rep KG had before the incident.

sebstar wrote:This is where Woody needs to step in here. He cant have Melo engaging in this --- its a lose, lose. Woody needs to fire back. Its not good enough to be a players-coach, who remains diplomatic in public. Fire back and protect your star. Phil Jax would never in a million years allow another coach to talk about one of his players like that

It must warm Phil's heart right now that the Lakers are struggling with running the show (so to speak) b/c they wouldn't give him what he wanted.

cooch2584 wrote:Why did doc have to say anything? The incident was over and Melo got suspended. If you ask me doc is doing a poor mans phil jackson posturing the refs because he knows hes gonna hafta face us in reg season games and playoff games in the future. And its really funny that doc thinks he has that kinda clout in the league. EVERYONE in the league,refs,players,coaches etc knows what kinda player kg is, so IMHO doc is coming of looking very stupid here and in the eyes of the league.

Because that whole damn team love to annoy opposing teams and their players to the point of madness! They're even p***ing me off now!

helloharv wrote:Melo should meet Doc at the Bus

What is wrong with that guy blaming Melo ---- I swear --- for some reason,this KG/Doc thing has me so pissed off , I wish Melo or Woody would come out and say exactly what happened --- why keep it a secret now ?

Yeah, I'm not sure what exactly has annoyed me about it, but I am annoyed. Not long until the next game against them...

Nalod wrote:Im not annoyed.

When we had "Oak" and he used to slap guys around we freaking loved it. Im sure Celtics fans are having fun. They are not happy with their record but its still a long season. we are 5-7 the last 12 games and Im starting to worry that injuries were expected are not subsiding and it could get worse.

Naturally Amare is on the mend and Shump might be able to give us quality minutes but Sheed has been showing his age and maybe is reminded why he retired, and Kidd is coming a bit down to earth playing extended minutes.

We need to get to the playoffs a top 4 seed and be healthy. Not perfectly healthy but our core has to be reasonably.

Physicality like that is part of the game. Plus, if a player was man enough, they could hit Oak back. I loved those teams.

Take out the NBA aspect of it. You go to any court on the street and someone trash talks about someone's wife like Garnett did there is a fight. Alot of guys on this board are saying that Carmelo should have handled it better. Those same guys say they could have handled it. I tell you what, I couldn't have. I would have acted similarly to Carmelo if not worse. That's just being honest with myself. It's easy to say play through it when it is someone else's wife being insulted.

joec32033 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im not annoyed.

When we had "Oak" and he used to slap guys around we freaking loved it. Im sure Celtics fans are having fun. They are not happy with their record but its still a long season. we are 5-7 the last 12 games and Im starting to worry that injuries were expected are not subsiding and it could get worse.

Naturally Amare is on the mend and Shump might be able to give us quality minutes but Sheed has been showing his age and maybe is reminded why he retired, and Kidd is coming a bit down to earth playing extended minutes.

We need to get to the playoffs a top 4 seed and be healthy. Not perfectly healthy but our core has to be reasonably.

Physicality like that is part of the game. Plus, if a player was man enough, they could hit Oak back. I loved those teams.

Take out the NBA aspect of it. You go to any court on the street and someone trash talks about someone's wife like Garnett did there is a fight. Alot of guys on this board are saying that Carmelo should have handled it better. Those same guys say they could have handled it. I tell you what, I couldn't have. I would have acted similarly to Carmelo if not worse. That's just being honest with myself. It's easy to say play through it when it is someone else's wife being insulted.

yep. But we know there is an agenda behind their words. If it were another player, whom they were in support of and liked, they would be exclusively anti-kg