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playa2
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12/19/2012  2:36 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
fishmike wrote:your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.

Well, at least it is healthy to ask questions (something we always should do), especially when your government is having a few illegal wars and when corruption is so rampant at all levels of government.

There are a few points I can think of that I heard on a radio show that do warrant further investigation regarding this shooting:

1- An ex soldier called in and mentioned he was 150lbs and in shape - a very strong guy. He said he has body armor, guns, 100's of rounds, etc (all the things the shooter had) and he said the one thing he couldn't understand is that he didn't see how the shooter (a 20 year old, thin kid.) could carry around all that stuff when he himself tried and couldn't. Now, I'm not sure about the weight of all this stuff, but I thought it was a pretty fair point to discuss.

2- How does a guy wearing all the above, get buzzed into a school? It wasn't an open building.

3- There were early reports of another shooter. There was even a man seen being taken out in handcuffs. I'd like more information on these early reports. e.g., 2 min video of witness and comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q and in the written report here http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/911-call-sheds-light-on-early-confusion-4127274.php

4- This is being made into a gun issue solely and the bigger issue of the mental health aspects as well as anti-depressant drugs involved (in past shootings as well) is being largely ignored.

Basically, we are being given a basic story with no further information coming out. And at the same time, the trauma of the event, which affects anyone with children to an extent that is unimaginable for those without children, is shown over and over again on TV. Here in Germany they do not give attention to events like this on television - it removes most of the threat from copy cat killers as well as the trauma effect. In American, they won't show the person who runs out onto a baseball field during a game, but they will repeat a massacre of children again and again? My question is what agenda does this serve and to whom?


Earthmansurfer, you and I understand when it's a real tragedy without false flag implications, they will do just what you said by not giving much air time. But false flags ops must be repeatedly reported and seen on television to brain wash the masses and hope they never think for themselves what may have really happened.

Thank you for thinking !!!!

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12/19/2012  2:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  2:43 PM
fishmike wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
fishmike wrote:your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.

Well, at least it is healthy to ask questions (something we always should do), especially when your government is having a few illegal wars and when corruption is so rampant at all levels of government.

There are a few points I can think of that I heard on a radio show that do warrant further investigation regarding this shooting:

1- An ex soldier called in and mentioned he was 150lbs and in shape - a very strong guy. He said he has body armor, guns, 100's of rounds, etc (all the things the shooter had) and he said the one thing he couldn't understand is that he didn't see how the shooter (a 20 year old, thin kid.) could carry around all that stuff when he himself tried and couldn't. Now, I'm not sure about the weight of all this stuff, but I thought it was a pretty fair point to discuss.

2- How does a guy wearing all the above, get buzzed into a school? It wasn't an open building.

3- There were early reports of another shooter. There was even a man seen being taken out in handcuffs. I'd like more information on these early reports. e.g., 2 min video of witness and comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q and in the written report here http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/911-call-sheds-light-on-early-confusion-4127274.php

4- This is being made into a gun issue solely and the bigger issue of the mental health aspects as well as anti-depressant drugs involved (in past shootings as well) is being largely ignored.

Basically, we are being given a basic story with no further information coming out. And at the same time, the trauma of the event, which affects anyone with children to an extent that is unimaginable for those without children, is shown over and over again on TV. Here in Germany they do not give attention to events like this on television - it removes most of the threat from copy cat killers as well as the trauma effect. In American, they won't show the person who runs out onto a baseball field during a game, but they will repeat a massacre of children again and again? My question is what agenda does this serve and to whom?

1) being able to walk 100 yards with that gear and being able to be a mobilized soldier with it are two different things

2) good question. Assuming that info will surface as investigation facts are released to public

3) agree

4) REALLY agree. Gun laws can and should be reformed, but they arent going away (guns). If the guns were not present and someone wanted to do horrific damage you could run people over with your car, etc. The reason guns are used first and foremost is they are weapons. Killing and maiming is the only function a gun has. Anyone who has ever shot understands the feeling of power associated with shooting. Thats why so many people love it. There's a reason archery isnt the pasttime that shooting is.

Earth... on the last part the information is going to come. There is a process. Zombie driven Americans are nuts with their instant gratification. We are still learning about the Colorado killer. REAL RESEARCH takes more time. You cant google "what really happened" and get anything more than zombie like playa driven rubbish.

Kind of shocking that someone who begs folks to do "research" knows so little about how the judicial branch of gov works.

The gov in this country has no say in the media. As we can see from Fox news to MSNBC agendas are quite open for all to see.

The amount of checks and balances in this country set up EXACTLY to avoid one group owning too much power are greater here than anywhere in the world.

There isnt one intel agency. There are several. Same with law enforcement. Could any be crooked? Yes.

Is it plausable to believe all of these in collusion to drive the public?
US Marshalls
FBI
CT state police
Newtown police

How about the amount of reporters going door to door looking for any clues or info regarding this. THATS research, and the facts will come out.

Checks and balances. If you do the RESEARCH you will learn why such things cant be covered up here in the US. If it was covered up (and yes, plenty of military and law enforcement operations are) the youtube fearmongers of the country wouldnt have a freakin clue. Even patriots like playa2

You sound scared, I'm not LOL, u need to have a lil talk with Jesus.

Like I said before, there are no witnesses can identify either young man who was accused of shooting people THEY WORE MASK. Anybody could have killed Lanza's mom in her home .

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12/19/2012  2:42 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
playa2 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I no longer believe that US homes should have a gun--for recreation home security or anything else. Only police and military should have them and they must be all accounted for. Hunters should use cross bows only. Severe restrictions have to be put in place. Time for violence everywhere in the US to be drastically reduced.

Current Americans as a whole unit, help the master attach the leash to their collar.

Keep feeding emotion on the news and in the newspapers, and Americans lay down without a whimper.

What happened to Americans are some of you sipping the koolaid in the brown paperbag

Sheesh !

playa2, if it weren't for the wacked out community college vids you keep posting, proselytizing and praying to, I wouldn't have to cringe agreeing with you.

Briggs, ummm, buddy, what other rights would you like to defer to the Man, while you're at it?
Why vote?, I mean seriously, Barry knows whats best for you, he'll keep you safe, tell you what doc to go see and when, how much of his money he'll give you when he tells you you're ready to retire. How many kids you can have. And when you're allowed to go to court and for what reason.
And that whole separation of powers thing? Pure useless crap here in the wired futuristic present. Just combine our POTUS with the Chief Justice and Speaker of the House and Senate and be done with it. Done. Combinationalism is just so postmodernly hip.

All safe and sound from the McVeigh/Aurora/Lanza boogeymen now, okay?

Look up inalienable before you start surrending everything or anything to your super government of super police and super army men.

You know those Avenger movies aren't real, right?

I think Briggs' suggestion is going too far. I don't see a problem with the regulated ownership of firearms such as shotguns, hunting rifles and revolvers. I don't know enough about semi-automatics to say if they should be banned or not for most civilian use. Large magazines and certain ammunition designed for warfare I think are up for discussion too, though anybody with a machine shop could easily fashion them.

Advances in technology since the founding of our government in locksmithing and home surveillance systems make the home defense argument less salient for me. I think most folks would be better served studying self-defense techniques and hand-to-hand martial arts and keeping a Louisville Slugger by the bed as a supplement. You are faced with a home invader, you have your gun, and it jams: what now? Defense is not insured if you are relying on one machine or technique, you need to be able to adapt.

being 6'3 190 lbs and athletic I have had the luxury most all of my life of simply not being messed with. Most bad do-ers would look for a target that will provide less resistance. I only say this as I have never had to deal with that fear, and have never considered owning a firearm for protection.

When I was 19 I took my first cross country road trip. I was alone, drove from NJ to CA and back. Stayed in cheap campgrounds (KOA). Never once in many funky exeriences did I wish or desire or think a firearm would be a good idea.

Women? Maybe different... fear of rape/assault is real.

My wife lived in NC before moving up here to NJ. Her condo was broken into and she came into the house when it was being burglarized. Luckily the perp fled. Her next course of action was not to get a gun, rather to get a dog. I wonder however, what "protection" a gun would provide. A dog is a deterent. Barking = attention. Some dogs will even fight off a home intruder. Currently we still have the dog she got in NC (lab/chow mix, great watch dog, not a guard dog). We also have a bullmastiff, and you can damn bet that when someone breaks into my house he's gonna have 100 pounds of bulldog between him and my family and while that dog is cuddly slobbering couch potato (think Hooch from the movie) she does not know fear when protecting her pack. Same with the rottie I had before her.

A gun does not deter. It does not protect. It attacks. You have two choices with a gun. Kill or be killed. There is no middle ground, because if you dont shoot you risk having the weapon turned on you. There is also risk of now arming the burglar thats in your house. The real world scenarios where a gun provide real protection are limited. Can it? Of course! Does it? Only in some scenarios, and in many others its far more a risk than an advantage.

If I lived in a very rural area I would have a shotgun locked in my bedroom closet loaded with salt shells (these fire salt pellets. Very painful and debilitating). Probably more for bears, wolves, etc then intruder protection, but sure... that too. In suburbia where most all of these incidents have taken place is totally different. I call 911 and I have cops at my door in 90 seconds. Litterally. I know this because my infant choked and everything was OK but while I was working on him wife called cops and they were there in 60-90 seconds. While I understand thats not normal reponse time my thought is simply law enforcement is best done by those trained to do it. Many armed folks under duress are not going to make sound decisions.

Im not for banning guns, and the amount and availability we have in US is over the top. US has less than .05% of the population (<400m vs about 7 billion) and we own 50% of the guns in the world. As a result there is more gun violence here than anywhere.

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12/19/2012  2:44 PM
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
fishmike wrote:your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.

Well, at least it is healthy to ask questions (something we always should do), especially when your government is having a few illegal wars and when corruption is so rampant at all levels of government.

There are a few points I can think of that I heard on a radio show that do warrant further investigation regarding this shooting:

1- An ex soldier called in and mentioned he was 150lbs and in shape - a very strong guy. He said he has body armor, guns, 100's of rounds, etc (all the things the shooter had) and he said the one thing he couldn't understand is that he didn't see how the shooter (a 20 year old, thin kid.) could carry around all that stuff when he himself tried and couldn't. Now, I'm not sure about the weight of all this stuff, but I thought it was a pretty fair point to discuss.

2- How does a guy wearing all the above, get buzzed into a school? It wasn't an open building.

3- There were early reports of another shooter. There was even a man seen being taken out in handcuffs. I'd like more information on these early reports. e.g., 2 min video of witness and comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q and in the written report here http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/911-call-sheds-light-on-early-confusion-4127274.php

4- This is being made into a gun issue solely and the bigger issue of the mental health aspects as well as anti-depressant drugs involved (in past shootings as well) is being largely ignored.

Basically, we are being given a basic story with no further information coming out. And at the same time, the trauma of the event, which affects anyone with children to an extent that is unimaginable for those without children, is shown over and over again on TV. Here in Germany they do not give attention to events like this on television - it removes most of the threat from copy cat killers as well as the trauma effect. In American, they won't show the person who runs out onto a baseball field during a game, but they will repeat a massacre of children again and again? My question is what agenda does this serve and to whom?

1) being able to walk 100 yards with that gear and being able to be a mobilized soldier with it are two different things

2) good question. Assuming that info will surface as investigation facts are released to public

3) agree

4) REALLY agree. Gun laws can and should be reformed, but they arent going away (guns). If the guns were not present and someone wanted to do horrific damage you could run people over with your car, etc. The reason guns are used first and foremost is they are weapons. Killing and maiming is the only function a gun has. Anyone who has ever shot understands the feeling of power associated with shooting. Thats why so many people love it. There's a reason archery isnt the pasttime that shooting is.

Earth... on the last part the information is going to come. There is a process. Zombie driven Americans are nuts with their instant gratification. We are still learning about the Colorado killer. REAL RESEARCH takes more time. You cant google "what really happened" and get anything more than zombie like playa driven rubbish.

Kind of shocking that someone who begs folks to do "research" knows so little about how the judicial branch of gov works.

The gov in this country has no say in the media. As we can see from Fox news to MSNBC agendas are quite open for all to see.

The amount of checks and balances in this country set up EXACTLY to avoid one group owning too much power are greater here than anywhere in the world.

There isnt one intel agency. There are several. Same with law enforcement. Could any be crooked? Yes.

Is it plausable to believe all of these in collusion to drive the public?
US Marshalls
FBI
CT state police
Newtown police

How about the amount of reporters going door to door looking for any clues or info regarding this. THATS research, and the facts will come out.

Checks and balances. If you do the RESEARCH you will learn why such things cant be covered up here in the US. If it was covered up (and yes, plenty of military and law enforcement operations are) the youtube fearmongers of the country wouldnt have a freakin clue. Even patriots like playa2

You sound scared, I'm not u need to have a lil talk with Jesus.

Like I said before, there are no witnesses can identify either young man who was accused of shooting people THEY WORE MASK. Anybody could have killed Lanza's mom in her home.


you have said nothing actually. Did Jesus protect the Sandy Hook kids? Go away
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12/19/2012  3:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  3:03 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.

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12/19/2012  3:12 PM
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
fishmike wrote:your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.

Well, at least it is healthy to ask questions (something we always should do), especially when your government is having a few illegal wars and when corruption is so rampant at all levels of government.

There are a few points I can think of that I heard on a radio show that do warrant further investigation regarding this shooting:

1- An ex soldier called in and mentioned he was 150lbs and in shape - a very strong guy. He said he has body armor, guns, 100's of rounds, etc (all the things the shooter had) and he said the one thing he couldn't understand is that he didn't see how the shooter (a 20 year old, thin kid.) could carry around all that stuff when he himself tried and couldn't. Now, I'm not sure about the weight of all this stuff, but I thought it was a pretty fair point to discuss.

2- How does a guy wearing all the above, get buzzed into a school? It wasn't an open building.

3- There were early reports of another shooter. There was even a man seen being taken out in handcuffs. I'd like more information on these early reports. e.g., 2 min video of witness and comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q and in the written report here http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/911-call-sheds-light-on-early-confusion-4127274.php

4- This is being made into a gun issue solely and the bigger issue of the mental health aspects as well as anti-depressant drugs involved (in past shootings as well) is being largely ignored.

Basically, we are being given a basic story with no further information coming out. And at the same time, the trauma of the event, which affects anyone with children to an extent that is unimaginable for those without children, is shown over and over again on TV. Here in Germany they do not give attention to events like this on television - it removes most of the threat from copy cat killers as well as the trauma effect. In American, they won't show the person who runs out onto a baseball field during a game, but they will repeat a massacre of children again and again? My question is what agenda does this serve and to whom?

1) being able to walk 100 yards with that gear and being able to be a mobilized soldier with it are two different things

2) good question. Assuming that info will surface as investigation facts are released to public

3) agree

4) REALLY agree. Gun laws can and should be reformed, but they arent going away (guns). If the guns were not present and someone wanted to do horrific damage you could run people over with your car, etc. The reason guns are used first and foremost is they are weapons. Killing and maiming is the only function a gun has. Anyone who has ever shot understands the feeling of power associated with shooting. Thats why so many people love it. There's a reason archery isnt the pasttime that shooting is.

Earth... on the last part the information is going to come. There is a process. Zombie driven Americans are nuts with their instant gratification. We are still learning about the Colorado killer. REAL RESEARCH takes more time. You cant google "what really happened" and get anything more than zombie like playa driven rubbish.

Kind of shocking that someone who begs folks to do "research" knows so little about how the judicial branch of gov works.

The gov in this country has no say in the media. As we can see from Fox news to MSNBC agendas are quite open for all to see.

The amount of checks and balances in this country set up EXACTLY to avoid one group owning too much power are greater here than anywhere in the world.

There isnt one intel agency. There are several. Same with law enforcement. Could any be crooked? Yes.

Is it plausable to believe all of these in collusion to drive the public?
US Marshalls
FBI
CT state police
Newtown police

How about the amount of reporters going door to door looking for any clues or info regarding this. THATS research, and the facts will come out.

Checks and balances. If you do the RESEARCH you will learn why such things cant be covered up here in the US. If it was covered up (and yes, plenty of military and law enforcement operations are) the youtube fearmongers of the country wouldnt have a freakin clue. Even patriots like playa2

You sound scared, I'm not u need to have a lil talk with Jesus.

Like I said before, there are no witnesses can identify either young man who was accused of shooting people THEY WORE MASK. Anybody could have killed Lanza's mom in her home.


you have said nothing actually. Did Jesus protect the Sandy Hook kids? Go away

Wow Mike, you blaming this on Jesus now? You cant I.D a masked man, the guy in Colorado who was seen opening the door in the theater and the guy seen running with Holmes had a stocky build, how do you think he wore all the body armor in Colorado ? Holmes was found unconscious in his car with armor on , that's why there was no resistance from him. The kid had to be wheeled chaired in to the precinct, because of his condtion. Remember you saw no pictures of an skinny kid in Aurora getting put in a squad car because he was out of it. Did ya see him in the courtroom by the way. Do ya research if you really want to have a meaningful conversation with me.


I respect you Mike, lets just agree to disagree.

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12/19/2012  3:23 PM
The Switzerland example you brought up was enlightening, playa. It seems closer to the original intent of the 2nd amendment in my eyes. However, it seems they have a system of civilian militias in lieu of a standing army that we no longer have. We can't totally eliminate gun violence, knife violence, or any other kind. But I'm not going to feel safer in a country knowing we have a civilian small arms race due to irrational fear and the gun industry's craven marketing techniques. I have never shot a real gun but would like to one day. However, I'd sooner get a dog, mad locks, a security system and a krav maga instructor if I was serious about protecting myself and my family.
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12/19/2012  3:26 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.


DrAlphaeus because there is nothing to follow. He wont actually SAY anything. That entails credibility. Easier to suggest epic conspiracy then label all who dont see the same as media driven zombies. Same with JRod... lets call people liberal donkeys and say their ideas are dumn while offering none of their own.

There will be months of real research done on this. Amid playa's ability to use google and a browser and cut and paste from other forums and articles claiming them as his own as he's done in the past, there will be real investigations done and answers will come. Sometimes slow, sometimes fast.

Ballistics will be done on the weapons and bullets. Any questions of a 2nd shooter or bullets from a gun other than one found at the scene of the suicide will be cleared. Unless of course you believe the CT state police and FBI and US Marshalls are all in on it, along with Obama, the Black Panther, Forrest Gump and Santa.

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playa2
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12/19/2012  3:33 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.

I never mentioned anyone not being a good or bad person for not serving in the military why go there ?

I'm just saying that those who did serve has a better grasp on rogue special ops people than the avg civilian would.

MK ULTRA look it up it's been going on for decades, but most never hear that it even exist.

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DrAlphaeus
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12/19/2012  3:34 PM
fishmike wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.


DrAlphaeus because there is nothing to follow. He wont actually SAY anything. That entails credibility. Easier to suggest epic conspiracy then label all who dont see the same as media driven zombies. Same with JRod... lets call people liberal donkeys and say their ideas are dumn while offering none of their own.

There will be months of real research done on this. Amid playa's ability to use google and a browser and cut and paste from other forums and articles claiming them as his own as he's done in the past, there will be real investigations done and answers will come. Sometimes slow, sometimes fast.

Ballistics will be done on the weapons and bullets. Any questions of a 2nd shooter or bullets from a gun other than one found at the scene of the suicide will be cleared. Unless of course you believe the CT state police and FBI and US Marshalls are all in on it, along with Obama, the Black Panther, Forrest Gump and Santa.

Well to be fair to jrod, he did talk about divorce reform, which I had no idea was a thing until he mentioned it and I did some searches for.

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fishmike
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12/19/2012  3:36 PM
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
fishmike wrote:your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.

Well, at least it is healthy to ask questions (something we always should do), especially when your government is having a few illegal wars and when corruption is so rampant at all levels of government.

There are a few points I can think of that I heard on a radio show that do warrant further investigation regarding this shooting:

1- An ex soldier called in and mentioned he was 150lbs and in shape - a very strong guy. He said he has body armor, guns, 100's of rounds, etc (all the things the shooter had) and he said the one thing he couldn't understand is that he didn't see how the shooter (a 20 year old, thin kid.) could carry around all that stuff when he himself tried and couldn't. Now, I'm not sure about the weight of all this stuff, but I thought it was a pretty fair point to discuss.

2- How does a guy wearing all the above, get buzzed into a school? It wasn't an open building.

3- There were early reports of another shooter. There was even a man seen being taken out in handcuffs. I'd like more information on these early reports. e.g., 2 min video of witness and comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q and in the written report here http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/911-call-sheds-light-on-early-confusion-4127274.php

4- This is being made into a gun issue solely and the bigger issue of the mental health aspects as well as anti-depressant drugs involved (in past shootings as well) is being largely ignored.

Basically, we are being given a basic story with no further information coming out. And at the same time, the trauma of the event, which affects anyone with children to an extent that is unimaginable for those without children, is shown over and over again on TV. Here in Germany they do not give attention to events like this on television - it removes most of the threat from copy cat killers as well as the trauma effect. In American, they won't show the person who runs out onto a baseball field during a game, but they will repeat a massacre of children again and again? My question is what agenda does this serve and to whom?

1) being able to walk 100 yards with that gear and being able to be a mobilized soldier with it are two different things

2) good question. Assuming that info will surface as investigation facts are released to public

3) agree

4) REALLY agree. Gun laws can and should be reformed, but they arent going away (guns). If the guns were not present and someone wanted to do horrific damage you could run people over with your car, etc. The reason guns are used first and foremost is they are weapons. Killing and maiming is the only function a gun has. Anyone who has ever shot understands the feeling of power associated with shooting. Thats why so many people love it. There's a reason archery isnt the pasttime that shooting is.

Earth... on the last part the information is going to come. There is a process. Zombie driven Americans are nuts with their instant gratification. We are still learning about the Colorado killer. REAL RESEARCH takes more time. You cant google "what really happened" and get anything more than zombie like playa driven rubbish.

Kind of shocking that someone who begs folks to do "research" knows so little about how the judicial branch of gov works.

The gov in this country has no say in the media. As we can see from Fox news to MSNBC agendas are quite open for all to see.

The amount of checks and balances in this country set up EXACTLY to avoid one group owning too much power are greater here than anywhere in the world.

There isnt one intel agency. There are several. Same with law enforcement. Could any be crooked? Yes.

Is it plausable to believe all of these in collusion to drive the public?
US Marshalls
FBI
CT state police
Newtown police

How about the amount of reporters going door to door looking for any clues or info regarding this. THATS research, and the facts will come out.

Checks and balances. If you do the RESEARCH you will learn why such things cant be covered up here in the US. If it was covered up (and yes, plenty of military and law enforcement operations are) the youtube fearmongers of the country wouldnt have a freakin clue. Even patriots like playa2

You sound scared, I'm not u need to have a lil talk with Jesus.

Like I said before, there are no witnesses can identify either young man who was accused of shooting people THEY WORE MASK. Anybody could have killed Lanza's mom in her home.


you have said nothing actually. Did Jesus protect the Sandy Hook kids? Go away

Wow Mike, you blaming this on Jesus now? You cant I.D a masked man, the guy in Colorado who was seen opening the door in the theater and the guy seen running with Holmes had a stocky build, how do you think he wore all the body armor in Colorado ? Holmes was found unconscious in his car with armor on , that's why there was no resistance from him. The kid had to be wheeled chaired in to the precinct, because of his condtion. Remember you saw no pictures of an skinny kid in Aurora getting put in a squad car because he was out of it. Did ya see him in the courtroom by the way. Do ya research if you really want to have a meaningful conversation with me.


I respect you Mike, lets just agree to disagree.

happy to playa. What are we disagreeing on? As I have yet to see you take a stance and say SOMETHING. I thought we were talking about Sandy Hook. Colorado shooting has holes in it, but nearly as many as some would think. Which by the way do NOT equal a conspiracy or cover up. This story does not.
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12/19/2012  3:41 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.

I never mentioned anyone not being a good or bad person for not serving in the military why go there ?

I'm just saying that those who did serve has a better grasp on rogue special ops people than the avg civilian would.

MK ULTRA look it up it's been going on for decades, but most never hear that it even exist.

Hey, I just wanted to put that out there about the "served" thing. Like I said before, learning about COINTELPRO in college was the first of many revelations about the dastardly deeds of the US government home and abroad. That alone made me look at our country in a different light. So I can imagine all sorts of nefarious things the government could be doing. But I still don't know what human beings or supernatural forces you are saying are behind this specific shooting and the others you mention.

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12/19/2012  3:44 PM
playa... some "research" Colorado:

Let’s take a look at some of the points being raised by those who believe that a government conspiracy was behind the Aurora shootings:

1) Everyone remembers James Holmes as a happy, normal fellow, so he couldn’t have done this unless he was coerced through mind control technology.
Disregarding the mind control/MK ULTRA talk, this is the hoariest cliche in crime reportage: “He was such a good neighbor…such a quiet fellow…you’d never think he’d do such a thing.” In actuality, Holmes’ schoolmates recall him as “strange” and “a little off.” He was in the process of withdrawing from his PhD program in the months before the shootings. There’s also some indication that a profile at Adult Friend Finder may have belonged to him. That’s no crime, of course, but the fact that his profile states “Will you visit me in prison?” might raise an eyebrow or two.

2) There’s no way this guy could have gotten all of those weapons and that tactical gear.
Not a chance. I’m nowhere near wealthy and I own three firearms myself, upon which I’ve spent about $600. I could easily acquire a shotgun and a rifle for maybe a couple thousand more if I look around town. That’s not even including the internet, where apparently Holmes did much of his own shopping. The gas mask? I own one, myself. Fully functional Russian surplus. Bought it for a Halloween costume. It’s also perfectly legal to buy a bullet-proof vest and you can do so at many places online or locally. Same thing with any other protective gear. As for the cost, all I can say is that none of us have access to his financial records, and if I were planning on spending the rest of my life in jail (or dead) then it would probably be pretty easy for me to liquidate my assets to acquire whatever I needed.

3) Someone must have trained him how to use it all!
Not necessary at all. I know how to strap on protective gear, and I bet you could do so, too. Firearm training? Also unnecessary. The audience members were sitting ducks. Many of them thought that Holmes was part of the show – after all, there were plenty of people wearing costumes. They had little reason to be alarmed until the bullets started flying. it takes little skill to shoot indiscriminately into a field full of targets. Pistols are another matter, but there have been many, many accounts of basically unskilled people using pistols to take many lives in other mass murders. The man killed a dozen people out of probably hundreds trapped in an enclosed space. It’s a tragedy, but this isn’t the work of a professional marksman.

4) Someone must have let him in!
Yes, that’s definitely possible: We think that he came in through the emergency exit, from what I understand. Someone might have agreed to do so thinking that he just wanted to sneak into the movie for free, or maybe someone left it open on accident. Perhaps Holmes himself had come in at some point prior and left it open. Or maybe he pried the door open from the other side. Who knows? Any of these seem likely – or at least likelier than a government agent opening the door and shoving Holmes in. All that we know is that he got in somehow.

5) He turned himself in! Who turns himself in?

You’re right: most of these guys off themselves. But not all of them! It does happen. Simply because Holmes didn’t take the extra step of killing himself doesn’t make him the Manchurian Candidate. Maybe he lacked the guts. Certainly, the fact that he left his apartment booby trapped seems to imply that he had originally planned on not coming back alive.

6) He timed his attack perfectly to coincide with the sound of gunshots!


It wouldn’t take an idiot to figure that one out, and if you’ve ever worked at a theater then you’ll know that you can easily hear the noises a movie makes when you’re standing near a door. Plus, it’s an action film about a terrorist villain. You could probably just walk in any time and have a pretty good chance of doing so during a gunfight or explosion.

7) They’re coming to take our guns! This is why they did it!

A major linchpin in the conspiracy theory is that this was done to justify the United States’ signing on to the United Nations Small Arms Resolution. From here, the theory goes, the powers that be will have all of the justification it needs to take America’s weapons away. There are a few problems with this. The first is that the UN Small Arms Resolution concerns the trafficking of conventional firearms between member countries, not the buy, sell or trade of firearms within member countries. The second is that no matter what the UN wants, the United States would still have to develop new legislature and pass it through the same process any other law goes through.

The FBI knew! The FBI knew!
There’s a video currently making the rounds that purports to show a FBI warning regarding potential terrorist attacks at movie theaters. The same video claims that the warning was removed from the internet around the same time of the shooting. The video – and thus, the document – has only one source, and it is being propagated through conspiracy circles at the speed of light. Presuming that one trusts the originator of the document that it is legitimate, then this in itself becomes highly problematic. Why would the FBI issue a warning of an attack in the first place if their brothers in arms are planning the same attack? Further, the document is clearly marked as a “Roll Call” release, one of a line of internal documents created by the Department of Homeland Security’s Interagency Threat Assessment and Coordination Group. My point is that they were clearly intended for internal use. If you’re part of a conspiracy, why alert everyone else? The document was never intended for public release, which might also explain why it “disappeared” after being posted. Finally, warnings about terrorist attacks in public places aren’t new. People have been talking about attacks in shopping centers and other public places for years.

9) The feds do this kind of thing all the time!
No, the feds don’t mass murder dozens of civilians all the time. They’ve set up plenty of sting operations with would-be terrorists (often with dummy explosives and that kind of thing), and they’ve even fouled up their share of investigations (“Fast and Furious”) and applied a jackhammer to situations that would require a feather touch (Waco) with horrific results, but coordinating the murder of a the theater full of suburbanites watching a comic book movie? No, that’s not something that typically falls under the purview of the federal government. You simply can’t look at past cases in which you suspect government malfeasance and use them as “proof” of malfeasance in this attack.

I suppose that nearly anything is possible, but which sounds like a more likely possibility: (1) A young man who most people remember as a bit of an oddball snaps and goes on a shooting rampage (something that has happened many, many times before); or (2) International conspirators band together in a coordinated assault on the residents of a Colorado town in a black operation to support the roll-out of total gun control in America. I know where I stand. Do you?

Thank god playa! SOMEBODY GETS IT

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12/19/2012  3:45 PM
we can do this all day.
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12/19/2012  3:47 PM
sorry... dont want folks to think this is my own
http://www.disinfo.com/2012/07/questioning-the-conspiracy-the-aurora-shootings/#
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12/19/2012  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  4:12 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.

I never mentioned anyone not being a good or bad person for not serving in the military why go there ?

I'm just saying that those who did serve has a better grasp on rogue special ops people than the avg civilian would.

MK ULTRA look it up it's been going on for decades, but most never hear that it even exist.

Hey, I just wanted to put that out there about the "served" thing. Like I said before, learning about COINTELPRO in college was the first of many revelations about the dastardly deeds of the US government home and abroad. That alone made me look at our country in a different light. So I can imagine all sorts of nefarious things the government could be doing. But I still don't know what human beings or supernatural forces you are saying are behind this specific shooting and the others you mention.


I never mentioned anyone not being a good or bad person for not serving in the military why go there ?

MK ULTRA look it up it's been going on for decades, but most never heard that it even exist.

Check this out, the same M.O as the kid in Newton see the pattern ?



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12/19/2012  5:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  5:17 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody here has proof Adam Lanza killed his mother, nobody has proof it was he who pulled the trigger and destroyed all those kids lives and made their parents grieve. There is not one witness that can identify him or the the guy in Colorado Theater as the lone shooter. But all you smart educated people could care less. Media said he did it, the police said he did it and none of them can bring forth an witness who can without a doubt testify and know who pulled the trigger in both cases.

THINK ABOUT IT !

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

it was Obama's secret gestapo. I saw it on youtube

You of all people should have learned something from watching all those movies.

"Perception is perceived greater than truth" President Obamo doesn't have any gestapo, that's just the comments of someone who's a media zombie. They had you at hello !

I didnt watch any of them. They are crap. Your funny dude spreading your propaganda. LOL @ media zombie. Thats solid. Be careful playa.. they are watching you. Only a matter of time before Obama's fake crying gestapo comes for you. In the meantime keep up the good fight and work on converting one UK poster at time.

I know they are Fishmike, but why are any of you afraid to think and research yourself ?????

Real Patriots love the citizens of the country and want them to not be deceived.


your not talking about asking questions. You ASSSUME deception where there is no grounds for it to exist. JFK killing? Absolutely up for conspiracy chat. Masked gunman shooting up a theatre with a detailed and documented history of mental issues found dead at scene? Sorry dude, you barking up wrong tree. A real patriot spreads patriotism, not fear and doubt. Your brand of truth isnt truth at all.

If you know these videos by fringe psychos are crap why are you endorsing them? Is this even you talking or you cutting and pasting from some other forum?

Sounds like your a pawn of some conspiracy donkee who has roped you in. I hope you didnt wire them any money to Nigeria so you can claim your million prize. Sorry if you did.


JFK UP FOR CHAT? Didn't they tell you who shot him, didn't they send the person away to rot in prison. You think , their modus operandi has changed ?


You don't know what a Patriot is, Paul Revere warned the people what was coming ,in your world of mainstream zombie that's promoting fear. LOL

You never served your country, you really don't know what it means to defend your country(be a patriot) at home and abroad.

You were taught to homogenize with the masses , just like your were taught to follow the crowd.

Media talking heads are paid to say what their bosses tell them to and what to report and what not to report.

The change their stories like a women changes her tampon on that time of the month, but they had you at hello.

Sounding more like a shill as we continue to dialogue. Masked man accused of shooting up a theater with no history of violence. His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream media explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he allegedly then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives right ? If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. But according to Fishmike and his usual suspects case is closed. ROFL @ U

your a brainwashed minion. Keep spreading your muck.

Keep making assumptions. I like how you think you know something about me. MAkes sense as you know nothing about what your talking about, so why not make assumptions about me?

I never served my country? Really? What branch did you serve in again?

The only thing suspect around here is you. Keep spilling lies and made up info. Of course, there is no history of this here is there?

Again.. are these your ideas and thoughts? Or just more cutting and pasting and pretending they are your own as you have done in the past and have been banned for. Zombie minds want to know.

I'd hope that there is room to serve one's country without having to be enlisted in the very same military you accuse of such dastardly deeds, playa.

Who said the military did these deeds ? Dr I'm surprised you are dipping this low. 80% are never involved and don't have a clue. Out of the remaning 20 % only 5 % are involved .

Well, my point was more about your statement about fishmike never serving his country as he never served in the military (your presumption, I have no idea if he has or not). I don't like the idea of military service being seen as the only way one can serve their country. How about someone in the Peace Corps? How about just a good person who pays their taxes and is generally neighborly and engaged in their community?

I'm really not sure who you are saying is responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings or the other incidents you mentioned. Satan? A cabal of Zionist financiers? I definitely don't believe in the former, and certainly doubt the latter. I watched a couple of those videos, and while there are definitely a lot of questions about this specific case outstanding (earthman's post laying out some), you are putting it into a greater narrative that I simply don't follow.

I never mentioned anyone not being a good or bad person for not serving in the military why go there ?

I'm just saying that those who did serve has a better grasp on rogue special ops people than the avg civilian would.

MK ULTRA look it up it's been going on for decades, but most never hear that it even exist.

Hey, I just wanted to put that out there about the "served" thing. Like I said before, learning about COINTELPRO in college was the first of many revelations about the dastardly deeds of the US government home and abroad. That alone made me look at our country in a different light. So I can imagine all sorts of nefarious things the government could be doing. But I still don't know what human beings or supernatural forces you are saying are behind this specific shooting and the others you mention.


I never mentioned anyone not being a good or bad person for not serving in the military why go there ?

MK ULTRA look it up it's been going on for decades, but most never heard that it even exist.

Check this out, the same M.O as the kid in Newton see the pattern ?



I think I heard about MK Ultra from an Immortal Technique song.

Humans are great at seeing patterns, especially when one has been pointed out. We aren't as good at proper investigation and evidence.

Who do you think is ultimately responsible, playa? I'm asking for names and specifics, not trends and patterns. Can you give me a straightforward answer in your own words?

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12/19/2012  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  7:41 PM
You want me to get arrested huh ? Do you believe people today can be used in MK Ultra either as patsies or assassins ?
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12/19/2012  10:13 PM
playa2 wrote:You want me to get arrested huh ? Do you believe people today can be used in MK Ultra either as patsies or assassins ?

So just to piece together all your posts in this thread. Your theory is that the Government has targeted two young men and either turned them into assassins/mass murderers through Mind Control/Brainwashing Techniques or set them up as patsies for the purpose of creating restrictive gun control laws in order to perpetrate genocide at some point in the future.

Is this about right?

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12/19/2012  10:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2012  10:39 PM
Not sure if anyone pointed this out already...Last election the NRA spent 24 mil in political donations and ads...The counter, Brady Center to prevent Gun Violence, spent 5k....Again, 24 million dollars versus 5 thousand dollars...Our politicians prefer 24 million...
Guns should be banned in US

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