dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:What irritates me is that sometimes it seems like when Melo goes one on one, that leads to Felton going one on one, which leads to JR going one on one and Kidd is usually the one that has to settle the offense down. I dont get how they can keep going away from the ball movement and cuts.

Leadership? Is that what you're referring to? Melo claimed during the summer he's the leader so follow the leader I guess.

bad shot selection is contagious because behind it is panic-- as opposed to maintaining ones poise-- and panic spreads easily. that is a problem with melo and smith and felton-- they don't possess enough poise and i don't know if that can be coached. maybe some earlier timeouts are in order by woodson as soon as he sniffs any of these guys losing it.

in short, one attribute of leadership is poise or calm under pressure. does melo have that? i haven't seen it.

As far as Woodson I think he trust his players and that is good and bad.

Against Memphis it was bad, and I think he learned from that as well.

We'll see.

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

i am going to ech0 the same thing holfresh since you addressed both of us... I am not a fan of most of the guys on this team and how we were assembled, but as 3g said, I can be won over, but it is going to take a lot, and even then dont expect me to join the carmelo fan club...

I like kidd and honestly have been surpised by sheed, but I don't see any long term growth with these guys seems like short term rentals with no real plan outside of this year... so it is hard for me to buy in. I mean take a look at memphis, if I were a fan I could appreciate that kind of growth and can appreciate how that product has come together...

I am a fan, not a hater, but just not happy with how things are put together.. although I am happy we are 6-1..

Just to echo what Holfresh is saying, once you put on the Blue and Orange and you are down with us, then I'm down with you. Melo's play and even JR since you mention him quite a bit, directly effects the W's and L's of my team. So I root for them to succeed. Didn't follow neither of them very much when they played with the Nuggs, but now they are on my fav team so now I'm a fan.

Lets be honest, we've seen players with far more shady backgrounds join the Knicks and they became fan favorites. We all know about Sprewell's background and lets be honest, the great Bernard King was getting in all sorts of trouble out in Utah from drinking to fighting, etc. He joined us and I didn't care what he did in the past. Just wanted him to help my team win.

Ultimately, as Hol said, it shouldn't matter how we got here who helped us get here. We are here. We've been waiting for this for over a decade. I think the problem that you and others have is that you want to win your way. Meaning you and others want to win with certain type of players and personnel. Am I wrong? To me, again, it doesn't matter, the 2012-2013 team is all we got right now and I'm going to enjoy the ride. Right now, I dont care about the 2009-2010 Knicks nor am I worried about the 2014-2015 Knicks. Thats neither here nor there. All we have is today/this year and I'm really enjoying the ride thus far....

nah, sorry it doesn't work that way. I won't root for guys I see as selfish, and disruptive... pretty much the same way when I like a player and he leaves, I still like the player...I am not going to trash him because he left our team, and I am not going to champion some guy whom I saw a scrub before he came here.. it doesn't work that way with me..

Hey, I want to win, I love winning, and I hope the knicks win, I am just not backing certain dudes on this team... and no this is not all about enjoying the ride, the ride is not enjoyable, winning is fine, but this bunch doesn't excite me as a fan....

Curious...What were your feelings on Sprewell upon his arrival?

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

i am going to ech0 the same thing holfresh since you addressed both of us... I am not a fan of most of the guys on this team and how we were assembled, but as 3g said, I can be won over, but it is going to take a lot, and even then dont expect me to join the carmelo fan club...

I like kidd and honestly have been surpised by sheed, but I don't see any long term growth with these guys seems like short term rentals with no real plan outside of this year... so it is hard for me to buy in. I mean take a look at memphis, if I were a fan I could appreciate that kind of growth and can appreciate how that product has come together...

I am a fan, not a hater, but just not happy with how things are put together.. although I am happy we are 6-1..

Just to echo what Holfresh is saying, once you put on the Blue and Orange and you are down with us, then I'm down with you. Melo's play and even JR since you mention him quite a bit, directly effects the W's and L's of my team. So I root for them to succeed. Didn't follow neither of them very much when they played with the Nuggs, but now they are on my fav team so now I'm a fan.

Lets be honest, we've seen players with far more shady backgrounds join the Knicks and they became fan favorites. We all know about Sprewell's background and lets be honest, the great Bernard King was getting in all sorts of trouble out in Utah from drinking to fighting, etc. He joined us and I didn't care what he did in the past. Just wanted him to help my team win.

Ultimately, as Hol said, it shouldn't matter how we got here who helped us get here. We are here. We've been waiting for this for over a decade. I think the problem that you and others have is that you want to win your way. Meaning you and others want to win with certain type of players and personnel. Am I wrong? To me, again, it doesn't matter, the 2012-2013 team is all we got right now and I'm going to enjoy the ride. Right now, I dont care about the 2009-2010 Knicks nor am I worried about the 2014-2015 Knicks. Thats neither here nor there. All we have is today/this year and I'm really enjoying the ride thus far....

nah, sorry it doesn't work that way. I won't root for guys I see as selfish, and disruptive... pretty much the same way when I like a player and he leaves, I still like the player...I am not going to trash him because he left our team, and I am not going to champion some guy whom I saw a scrub before he came here.. it doesn't work that way with me..

Hey, I want to win, I love winning, and I hope the knicks win, I am just not backing certain dudes on this team... and no this is not all about enjoying the ride, the ride is not enjoyable, winning is fine, but this bunch doesn't excite me as a fan....

Curious...What were your feelings on Sprewell upon his arrival?

CAUTIOUS.....I always liked him as a player.. the situation with PJ was unfortunate, so I had guarded optimism, but when he came here, he was nothing but a great teamate, didn't get a coach fired, didn't call his teamates contract ridiculous, even played out of position willingly, giving up playing his normal position.. he did all of these things without hesitation, and it helped us win from the start, no excuses, no false promises and none of the silly foot in mouth interviews..... He earned my trust as a fan.....

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Before I give an answer, let me say that last night was only the 2nd time I've watched the Grizz this year, so I cant really rely strictly on the eye-test to say who has had the biggest impact on that team night-in night-out.

To use my full criteria, I'm saying that Melo is the best player on a team that is tied for the best record. My criteria also mentioned that Melo, at this point, is leading the team in RBS and PTS. Just looking at the numbers and from what I saw last night, the only player that you could remotely mention is Zach Randolph. To me, he's the Grizz most important player. They have a really, really good team, but without him, any aspirations of finishing the year with the top record in the west would be mute. With him, they have a shot. Similar to Melo on the Knicks. Without him, any aspirations of finishing in the top 2-3 records in the east wouldn't be a possibility.

(PS,I only mention regular season because the MVP votes only count towards regular season performance)

Melo is 2nd on the team in rebounds per game. Part of that is attributable to playing far more minutes than any other front-court player.

Are you happy with Chandlers rebounding? I'm not but I don't here you complaining.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Before I give an answer, let me say that last night was only the 2nd time I've watched the Grizz this year, so I cant really rely strictly on the eye-test to say who has had the biggest impact on that team night-in night-out.

To use my full criteria, I'm saying that Melo is the best player on a team that is tied for the best record. My criteria also mentioned that Melo, at this point, is leading the team in RBS and PTS. Just looking at the numbers and from what I saw last night, the only player that you could remotely mention is Zach Randolph. To me, he's the Grizz most important player. They have a really, really good team, but without him, any aspirations of finishing the year with the top record in the west would be mute. With him, they have a shot. Similar to Melo on the Knicks. Without him, any aspirations of finishing in the top 2-3 records in the east wouldn't be a possibility.

(PS,I only mention regular season because the MVP votes only count towards regular season performance)

Melo is 2nd on the team in rebounds per game. Part of that is attributable to playing far more minutes than any other front-court player.

Are you happy with Chandlers rebounding? I'm not but I don't here you complaining.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Before I give an answer, let me say that last night was only the 2nd time I've watched the Grizz this year, so I cant really rely strictly on the eye-test to say who has had the biggest impact on that team night-in night-out.

To use my full criteria, I'm saying that Melo is the best player on a team that is tied for the best record. My criteria also mentioned that Melo, at this point, is leading the team in RBS and PTS. Just looking at the numbers and from what I saw last night, the only player that you could remotely mention is Zach Randolph. To me, he's the Grizz most important player. They have a really, really good team, but without him, any aspirations of finishing the year with the top record in the west would be mute. With him, they have a shot. Similar to Melo on the Knicks. Without him, any aspirations of finishing in the top 2-3 records in the east wouldn't be a possibility.

(PS,I only mention regular season because the MVP votes only count towards regular season performance)

Melo is 2nd on the team in rebounds per game. Part of that is attributable to playing far more minutes than any other front-court player.

Are you happy with Chandlers rebounding? I'm not but I don't here you complaining.

He's averaging about 10 rbs per 36 min. That is fine.

Really?

He is 36th in the league in rebounds per 48.

THATS AWFUL!

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Before I give an answer, let me say that last night was only the 2nd time I've watched the Grizz this year, so I cant really rely strictly on the eye-test to say who has had the biggest impact on that team night-in night-out.

To use my full criteria, I'm saying that Melo is the best player on a team that is tied for the best record. My criteria also mentioned that Melo, at this point, is leading the team in RBS and PTS. Just looking at the numbers and from what I saw last night, the only player that you could remotely mention is Zach Randolph. To me, he's the Grizz most important player. They have a really, really good team, but without him, any aspirations of finishing the year with the top record in the west would be mute. With him, they have a shot. Similar to Melo on the Knicks. Without him, any aspirations of finishing in the top 2-3 records in the east wouldn't be a possibility.

(PS,I only mention regular season because the MVP votes only count towards regular season performance)

Melo is 2nd on the team in rebounds per game. Part of that is attributable to playing far more minutes than any other front-court player.

Are you happy with Chandlers rebounding? I'm not but I don't here you complaining.

He's averaging about 10 rbs per 36 min. That is fine.

Really?

He is 36th in the league in rebounds per 48.

THATS AWFUL!

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

i am going to ech0 the same thing holfresh since you addressed both of us... I am not a fan of most of the guys on this team and how we were assembled, but as 3g said, I can be won over, but it is going to take a lot, and even then dont expect me to join the carmelo fan club...

I like kidd and honestly have been surpised by sheed, but I don't see any long term growth with these guys seems like short term rentals with no real plan outside of this year... so it is hard for me to buy in. I mean take a look at memphis, if I were a fan I could appreciate that kind of growth and can appreciate how that product has come together...

I am a fan, not a hater, but just not happy with how things are put together.. although I am happy we are 6-1..

Just to echo what Holfresh is saying, once you put on the Blue and Orange and you are down with us, then I'm down with you. Melo's play and even JR since you mention him quite a bit, directly effects the W's and L's of my team. So I root for them to succeed. Didn't follow neither of them very much when they played with the Nuggs, but now they are on my fav team so now I'm a fan.

Lets be honest, we've seen players with far more shady backgrounds join the Knicks and they became fan favorites. We all know about Sprewell's background and lets be honest, the great Bernard King was getting in all sorts of trouble out in Utah from drinking to fighting, etc. He joined us and I didn't care what he did in the past. Just wanted him to help my team win.

Ultimately, as Hol said, it shouldn't matter how we got here who helped us get here. We are here. We've been waiting for this for over a decade. I think the problem that you and others have is that you want to win your way. Meaning you and others want to win with certain type of players and personnel. Am I wrong? To me, again, it doesn't matter, the 2012-2013 team is all we got right now and I'm going to enjoy the ride. Right now, I dont care about the 2009-2010 Knicks nor am I worried about the 2014-2015 Knicks. Thats neither here nor there. All we have is today/this year and I'm really enjoying the ride thus far....

nah, sorry it doesn't work that way. I won't root for guys I see as selfish, and disruptive... pretty much the same way when I like a player and he leaves, I still like the player...I am not going to trash him because he left our team, and I am not going to champion some guy whom I saw a scrub before he came here.. it doesn't work that way with me..

Hey, I want to win, I love winning, and I hope the knicks win, I am just not backing certain dudes on this team... and no this is not all about enjoying the ride, the ride is not enjoyable, winning is fine, but this bunch doesn't excite me as a fan....

Curious...What were your feelings on Sprewell upon his arrival?

CAUTIOUS.....I always liked him as a player.. the situation with PJ was unfortunate, so I had guarded optimism, but when he came here, he was nothing but a great teamate, didn't get a coach fired, didn't call his teamates contract ridiculous, even played out of position willingly, giving up playing his normal position.. he did all of these things without hesitation, and it helped us win from the start, no excuses, no false promises and none of the silly foot in mouth interviews..... He earned my trust as a fan.....

No Spree didn't get a coach fired, he just choked his ass instead. That trumps anything that any Knick has ever done. He didn't willingly accept his role as 6th man. He complained often and Van Gundy addressed the situation on numerous occasions. Doesn't being a good teammate include showing up to practice on time, which Spree didn't do very often. Not to mention skipping out on team obligations. I had no problems rooting for Spree when he was here because, but what he did to Dolan in front of America when he returned to MSG was embarrassing. I have my own issues with Dolan, but what Spree did was completely unprofessional.

And of course Spree helped us win from the start because the team wasn't stripped to bring him here. Ewing, LJ, Camby and Houston was already here and ready to win. Speaking of getting a coach fired, Ewing did that but I'm sure nobody holds that against him. I wont address the 'Ridiculous contract' comment other than to say it was taken out of context.

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holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

i am going to ech0 the same thing holfresh since you addressed both of us... I am not a fan of most of the guys on this team and how we were assembled, but as 3g said, I can be won over, but it is going to take a lot, and even then dont expect me to join the carmelo fan club...

I like kidd and honestly have been surpised by sheed, but I don't see any long term growth with these guys seems like short term rentals with no real plan outside of this year... so it is hard for me to buy in. I mean take a look at memphis, if I were a fan I could appreciate that kind of growth and can appreciate how that product has come together...

I am a fan, not a hater, but just not happy with how things are put together.. although I am happy we are 6-1..

Just to echo what Holfresh is saying, once you put on the Blue and Orange and you are down with us, then I'm down with you. Melo's play and even JR since you mention him quite a bit, directly effects the W's and L's of my team. So I root for them to succeed. Didn't follow neither of them very much when they played with the Nuggs, but now they are on my fav team so now I'm a fan.

Lets be honest, we've seen players with far more shady backgrounds join the Knicks and they became fan favorites. We all know about Sprewell's background and lets be honest, the great Bernard King was getting in all sorts of trouble out in Utah from drinking to fighting, etc. He joined us and I didn't care what he did in the past. Just wanted him to help my team win.

Ultimately, as Hol said, it shouldn't matter how we got here who helped us get here. We are here. We've been waiting for this for over a decade. I think the problem that you and others have is that you want to win your way. Meaning you and others want to win with certain type of players and personnel. Am I wrong? To me, again, it doesn't matter, the 2012-2013 team is all we got right now and I'm going to enjoy the ride. Right now, I dont care about the 2009-2010 Knicks nor am I worried about the 2014-2015 Knicks. Thats neither here nor there. All we have is today/this year and I'm really enjoying the ride thus far....

nah, sorry it doesn't work that way. I won't root for guys I see as selfish, and disruptive... pretty much the same way when I like a player and he leaves, I still like the player...I am not going to trash him because he left our team, and I am not going to champion some guy whom I saw a scrub before he came here.. it doesn't work that way with me..

Hey, I want to win, I love winning, and I hope the knicks win, I am just not backing certain dudes on this team... and no this is not all about enjoying the ride, the ride is not enjoyable, winning is fine, but this bunch doesn't excite me as a fan....

Curious...What were your feelings on Sprewell upon his arrival?

CAUTIOUS.....I always liked him as a player.. the situation with PJ was unfortunate, so I had guarded optimism, but when he came here, he was nothing but a great teamate, didn't get a coach fired, didn't call his teamates contract ridiculous, even played out of position willingly, giving up playing his normal position.. he did all of these things without hesitation, and it helped us win from the start, no excuses, no false promises and none of the silly foot in mouth interviews..... He earned my trust as a fan.....

No Spree didn't get a coach fired, he just choked his ass instead. That trumps anything that any Knick has ever done. He didn't willingly accept his role as 6th man. He complained often and Van Gundy addressed the situation on numerous occasions. Doesn't being a good teammate include showing up to practice on time, which Spree didn't do very often. Not to mention skipping out on team obligations. I had no problems rooting for Spree when he was here because, but what he did to Dolan in front of America when he returned to MSG was embarrassing. I have my own issues with Dolan, but what Spree did was completely unprofessional.

And of course Spree helped us win from the start because the team wasn't stripped to bring him here. Ewing, LJ, Camby and Houston was already here and ready to win. Speaking of getting a coach fired, Ewing did that but I'm sure nobody holds that against him. I wont address the 'Ridiculous contract' comment other than to say it was taken out of context.

I think you are referring to spree at the end of his knick career when both he and camby were acting a fool.. when spree first got here he wasn't in game shape a bit heavy and rusty.. he played most of the games off the bench and was effective... I am sure he wanted to start but he didn't disrupt the team... and the knicks went on one of their best runs(playoff runs) with spreewell...

towards the end of his knick tenure things got a bit weird and I was not sad to see spree go.. but I had no problem rooting for him.. as far as the PJ incident, he had his contract voided he paid a huge price..

so year he choked his coach, and carmelo sucker slapped a knick player.. and ran... like a punk..... not a fan of that...

As far as ewing getting nelson fired, i didn't like it, but Ewing had time here, won here, was a success here....

the problem I have is melo came here, didn't do a thing and started getting coachs fired, speaking out on teamates, not playing hard as he admitted. the guy is a punk in every sense of the word..

but really, what are you trying to accomplish with this? very different situations.. tell carmelo to help us win a few playoff series and then maybe people can put some of his BS behind them.. until then.....

TKF,

Why so angry?? Whats wrong? Whats eating at you?

Seriously! Sports cannot/should not make anyone so possessed. It is usually a sign of other more serious underlying issues.

If this is your outlet then so be it. It is just frustrating for the rest of us who have to see this shyt in every thread.

You can complain to the mods but it is really you who needs to be reigned in.

Time to move on.

newyorknewyork wrote:"Woody told me, Melo go ahead switch the style up
if ***** hate, then let em hate n watch the wins pile up"
-Carmelo Anthony

hahahaha, haters gonna hate