tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

We are paying Novak a 4 year $15 million deal as he lead the league in 3pt shooting. Miami game planned for him well and he didn't scor much but still shot 44% from the field and 57% from 3 land. Yeah he is a one trick pony...a one trick pony we need to knock down open shots from 3 land. I guess Felton is not going to be able to push the ball up the floor and get Novak open looks? Reality check......PG's do their best work in the open court....it doesn't make Lin special, just shows that he is a capable PG.

Lin may not be overpaid at $24 mil or $28 mil over 4 years but he signed for $25 mil over 3 years! Had the Rockets signed him to the verbal 4 year $25-$30 million deal the Knicks would have probably matched. Kyle Lowry got 4 years $24 million, after 8 season in the nba, of which the last 2 he's averaged 13 points and 6 assists. Lin is making more money after 25 starts and 14 & 8 so what's your point?

Felton can/will average 14 and 6 he was signed for $8 million less and for 4 years instead of 3 but we should have given Lin a 3 year $25 million deal for the same production?

The kid has flaws in his game. Not admitting it is pure Linsanity. Seriously, how many times have you seen Dragic, Lowry, Chalmers, Jennings and Felton get their pickets picked in the backcourt?! But hey screw it...Dolan has the money so pay the kid on par with elite players at his position even though he was roasted by good PG's.

wait! a 23 year old kid with flaws? wow, who would have ever thought that? come on man, this is not about lin's flaws... thank god you are not GM... even with lin's flaws he was much more of a dynamic player than felton or any PG we have had in a while... do you not think that lin is going to get any better? go ahead, be a hypocrite, I dare you say that.. LOL...

Lin is making more money after 25 starts and 14 & 8 so what's your point?

the point is your argument about him being flawed, his salary and why we didn't keep him is BS and homerism! it lacks quality, integrity, and insight....

you say lin was roasted by good PG's.. well guess what, he also roasted a lot of good PG's.. he roasted kidd.. the same guy whom most of you are counting on for 20+ strong minutes... right..

your attempt to knock him is just downright ridiculous and shameful...

some knick fans truly deserved the isiah days... really...

Are you a Lin fan or a Knicks fan? Lin is more dyanmic than Felton? Based on what? Felton had more good games as a Knick than Lin did! I'm not saying the kid can't play but you have a short memory. What makes Lin so dynamic? Ray Felton averaged 17 & 8 as a Knick. Obviosuly playing in MDA's system had a lot to do with it but of course has nothing to do with it when it pertains to Lin.

Lin roasted a lot of good PG's? Really? Name them. Roasting a 39 year old backup PG deserves props, worth $14.8 million. Yeah Lin may get better but not $14.8 better. As far as me lacking quality, integrity and insight, I've posted many threads showing Lin's numbers, decrease in numbers and how is salary compares to tne NBA PG elite. The same old B.S. of course....."He'll get better." Of course 25 games games makes a career. My bad.....

Lin didn't play well under Woodson and that's a fact. Of course since it was only 7 games under Woody the 7 game Linsanity run only counts.

The blind Lin love is nauseating. If me agreeing with the Knicks that bringing back Felton over Lin makes me a homer than call me a homer.

CashMoney wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:One more time, forget the poison pill. IT never should have come to that!

Knicks failed BECAUSE they left the door open for a poison pill. Not because they choose not to swallow it. That is very debatable and I see both arguments.

I contend failure was not letting it get to that point.

Please explain how?

Do you not understand how the Cap and Negotiations work? The Knicks has the Mid-Level to extend to Lin ($5 mil) .... or depending on who else they signed and if they went over the Apron Level ....than the Mini-Level exception (about $3 mil). Do you seriously think that Lin was going to sign for that without testing the Free Agent waters? What would he have to gain by signing with the Knicks without garnering other offers? The prudent thing in this negotiation was for him to go out and see what his worth was on the open market, than come back to the Knicks with this offer sheet.

That's exactly what he did.

I don't even know what the above poster is talking about.

We won the bird rights case, the Knicks wouldn't be using the mle on Lin at that point.

To not even offer a contract either was stupid or they had no intent of truly keeping him.

The Knicks were capped on what they could give Lin...I believe it was 4 years $20 million. Not sure about that but rest assured Lin and his agents were. Playing devils advocate;

Knicks "You know the max we can offer. Go out and set the price."
Agent "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's get this down on paper and make a deal."

No secret the Knicks didn't offer a contract. Do any of us know if Lin's camp pushed for it? Nope.

The Knicks made a choice of signing Felton for 4 years at $17 million instead of signing Lin for 3 years and $25 million. What a disaster.

I'm aware of that, it seems the poster was making it seem signing Lin would have hindered other moves, by using the mle on him.

We won the bird case, so the knicks wouldn't have to use the mle on him.

The Knicks could have offered 4/24 due to him being an rfa, but in no way was the mle to be affected or used for that.

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

THE knicks never offered him a deal.. mistake # 1

number two... lin's agent , unless he owns the rockets can't up any deal.. show me where lin's agent upped a deal, he could not offer!

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Dude, you really got some serious issues. Reading this post, you are nothing more than an instigator, calling people "Homers" and "Apologists" etc. Most everyone here wanted to retain Lin and yet you call them names, because they offer their view about what might have transpired during the negotiations.....or they offer a rational discussion and analysis of how the new CBA Tax situation plays into this. You condemn Dolan for making bad financial decisions in the past, and also condemn him in this case for exhibiting fiscal restraint. That is called hypocracy. You label this a Fail, yet do not know for sure if this is a "fail" since no one knows yet how Lin will perform nor how the Knicks will perform without him.

Lin could become All NBA by Year 3 and play at a Rondo level..... that's what it would take to justify his contract. In that case it is a fail for the Knicks.

then again....

Lin's knee might not hold up to a season's worth of pounding and could become arthritic and degenerative.
Defensive schemes adjust to Lin and he does not adjust adequately and performs to a much lesser level than his 25 game audition.

In the latter case, I suspect you will not come back on here and post that you were a "fail" and Dolan and all the people you called "Homers" and "Apologists" were right. The reason I suspect this is that you are still holding onto Gallo, Moz and Chandler....who have done nothing of note since leaving the Knicks.....as a condemnation of Dolan and the Knicks organization.

lol.. really? so much pressure on an undrafted player... tell me, what has carmelo done to justify his contract which is 4x that of lins? he never made all nba first team.... and we are talking about a lotter pick here..... how has he justified 20 mil?

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:One more time, forget the poison pill. IT never should have come to that!

Knicks failed BECAUSE they left the door open for a poison pill. Not because they choose not to swallow it. That is very debatable and I see both arguments.

I contend failure was not letting it get to that point.

Please explain how?

Do you not understand how the Cap and Negotiations work? The Knicks has the Mid-Level to extend to Lin ($5 mil) .... or depending on who else they signed and if they went over the Apron Level ....than the Mini-Level exception (about $3 mil). Do you seriously think that Lin was going to sign for that without testing the Free Agent waters? What would he have to gain by signing with the Knicks without garnering other offers? The prudent thing in this negotiation was for him to go out and see what his worth was on the open market, than come back to the Knicks with this offer sheet.

One more thing, do you back out of the USA select team because of your pending free agency if you are planning on signing just for 5 mil per year. Do you hire a new agent if you are just signing for 5 mil per year? Because that is in reality what you are suggesting.

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:One more time, forget the poison pill. IT never should have come to that!

Knicks failed BECAUSE they left the door open for a poison pill. Not because they choose not to swallow it. That is very debatable and I see both arguments.

I contend failure was not letting it get to that point.

Please explain how?

Do you not understand how the Cap and Negotiations work? The Knicks has the Mid-Level to extend to Lin ($5 mil) .... or depending on who else they signed and if they went over the Apron Level ....than the Mini-Level exception (about $3 mil). Do you seriously think that Lin was going to sign for that without testing the Free Agent waters? What would he have to gain by signing with the Knicks without garnering other offers? The prudent thing in this negotiation was for him to go out and see what his worth was on the open market, than come back to the Knicks with this offer sheet.

Great post and this is at least the second time nalod's has been asked if he understands the cap. It is easy to be provocative, stir things up and throw out scenarios that had no chance of happening.

One more thing, do you back out of the USA select team because of your pending free agency if you are planning on signing just for 5 mil per year. Do you hire a new agent if you are just signing for 5 mil per year? Because that is in reality what you are suggesting.

NBA is business not charity for the fans.
Lin made great business decisions and executed them perfectly.
Dolan made his business decision as he usually does... based on things which have nothing to do with business.
Jimmy has more than enough money to not give a f..k about business and about fans.
So everybody get what they want.

This is one decision that appears to be based totally on business.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:One more time, forget the poison pill. IT never should have come to that!

Knicks failed BECAUSE they left the door open for a poison pill. Not because they choose not to swallow it. That is very debatable and I see both arguments.

I contend failure was not letting it get to that point.

Please explain how?

Do you not understand how the Cap and Negotiations work? The Knicks has the Mid-Level to extend to Lin ($5 mil) .... or depending on who else they signed and if they went over the Apron Level ....than the Mini-Level exception (about $3 mil). Do you seriously think that Lin was going to sign for that without testing the Free Agent waters? What would he have to gain by signing with the Knicks without garnering other offers? The prudent thing in this negotiation was for him to go out and see what his worth was on the open market, than come back to the Knicks with this offer sheet.

Great post and this is at least the second time nalod's has been asked if he understands the cap. It is easy to be provocative, stir things up and throw out scenarios that had no chance of happening.

One more thing, do you back out of the USA select team because of your pending free agency if you are planning on signing just for 5 mil per year. Do you hire a new agent if you are just signing for 5 mil per year? Because that is in reality what you are suggesting.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

It's you, foosballnick, and Nupe that don't understand the cap. We didn't have the MLE to extend Lin, we had the Early Bird Exception which is the same amount as the MLE and, as far as I can tell, wouldn't be reduced even if we're over the luxury tax. In addition, signing Lin to a $5M/year contract would not have affected our ability regarding the other moves we made this offseason; we went over the luxury tax and only had the mini-MLE to use anyway which is why the only free agent we signed outright was Jason Kidd at around $3M/year.

We didn't make a blunder by not making an initial offer, we simply got screwed when Morey upped the deal at the last minute and Lin and his agent went along with it (after telling them that we would match the initial offer)- the mistake we made was in letting Dolan's emotions get in the way of sense and reason, but hopefully Felton will play well and will cover up that mistake.

smackeddog wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:One more time, forget the poison pill. IT never should have come to that!

Knicks failed BECAUSE they left the door open for a poison pill. Not because they choose not to swallow it. That is very debatable and I see both arguments.

I contend failure was not letting it get to that point.

Please explain how?

Do you not understand how the Cap and Negotiations work? The Knicks has the Mid-Level to extend to Lin ($5 mil) .... or depending on who else they signed and if they went over the Apron Level ....than the Mini-Level exception (about $3 mil). Do you seriously think that Lin was going to sign for that without testing the Free Agent waters? What would he have to gain by signing with the Knicks without garnering other offers? The prudent thing in this negotiation was for him to go out and see what his worth was on the open market, than come back to the Knicks with this offer sheet.

Great post and this is at least the second time nalod's has been asked if he understands the cap. It is easy to be provocative, stir things up and throw out scenarios that had no chance of happening.

One more thing, do you back out of the USA select team because of your pending free agency if you are planning on signing just for 5 mil per year. Do you hire a new agent if you are just signing for 5 mil per year? Because that is in reality what you are suggesting.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

It's you, foosballnick, and Nupe that don't understand the cap. We didn't have the MLE to extend Lin, we had the Early Bird Exception which is the same amount as the MLE and, as far as I can tell, wouldn't be reduced even if we're over the luxury tax. In addition, signing Lin to a $5M/year contract would not have affected our ability regarding the other moves we made this offseason; we went over the luxury tax and only had the mini-MLE to use anyway which is why the only free agent we signed outright was Jason Kidd at around $3M/year.

foosballnick is absolutely right on this- Lin's agent would have been an idiot to sign a Knicks deal before he had tested the market- it was never going to happen! If the Knicks could have matched anything and said they would, then why would his agent not go out and get the biggest offer he could find- other teams could offer him more than we could- I don't understand why people are in denial about this.

We didn't make a blunder by not making an initial offer, we simply got screwed when Morey upped the deal at the last minute and Lin and his agent went along with it (after telling them that we would match the initial offer)- the mistake we made was in letting Dolan's emotions get in the way of sense and reason, but hopefully Felton will play well and will cover up that mistake.

we should have put that ball in his hands, let him know we will give him the max that we can offer, show him we wanted him, not just talk, but with an offer.. we never made an offer..

and on top, we should have matched, poison pill or not..

we wanted him, and we didn't match...

we amnestied billups and signed chandler for 14 mil, basically paying 28 mil for one year for him..

dolan let personal cloud business..

that = fail

we failed.. no matter how you look at it..