IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly keyword role player. Unless Nash is coming for the full mle and dolan makea a splash. No one is coming here and overshadowing lin and what he means to new york and the league

And that will make the NY Knicks better?

What is your best idea for a back up pg?

Do you think Lin is ready to play on a level of basketball we saw the last week?

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at he level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare - so exactly why should Lin be benched again? We don't have a window of beating the Heat with Melo and Amare put down the kool aid.

Really, you don't have to like Melo but you should be honest..Melo is an elite player that can and has played on that level...He performed down the stretch this season...He was the only player we had against the Heat that showed up, where was Chandler?...He showed up last year against Boston in the first round...Amare has tons of playoff experience in Phoenix where he has been a beast...I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly...

The question wasn't about showing up, it was about playing at the level we saw last week. Right now Melo isn't even on the same planet as Lebron, comparing anyone we have to Wade is a joke and Bosh is better than Amare. Show me when Melo has matched Lebron's stats from this playoff series in the playoffs - go ahead. And by stats I don't mean pts scored as the only metric. Lebron has more assists, rebounds, plays incredible defense and Melo has baby fat and a piss poor shooting efficiency. If you want to be "objective" about Lin, then take the same approach with Melo.

Bron is the best player on the planet, no one is playing on his level...For me, I'll take Melo over Wade, and that's not a joke...When healthy, Bosh is not better than Amare...The problem with Amare is he needs a PG that is looking to get him involved...I'll take Melo with the ball in his hands with two minutes left over any player the Heat has, but that's me...You are trying to equate a guy who is essentially rookie to proven all stars...

Mario Chalmers is proven all star? OK, if you say so.

The game isn't played in the last two minutes you need to get through the first 46 without being down 25 if you want the last two minutes to count. Amare's chances of getting healthy are diminishing with each year. And Melo doesn't play Wade's position. As constructed we can't beat heHeat because to do that Melo has to outplay Lebron (ain't happening), JR has to outplay Wade (LOL) and Amare has to outplay Bosh (this is still within the realm of possibility). And yes I think Lin can definitely hold is own against Chalmers once he gets some experience and develops an understanding with his teammates.

Well I thought you were comparing Lin being able to handle the pressure to Melo and Amare not Charlmers, you did say no one on the Knicks can play on that level other than Chandler...As constructed you are correct, we can't beat the Heat...Our PG can't or hasn't handled the defensive pressure the Heat brings to the table...We could accept that as our fate reup and hope he gets better in the off season or sign a vet who we think can handle the pressure...

Basketball is not a series of one on one matchups, if so, Dallas would not have won last year...

One more time....

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at the level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare

It woulda been nice if the GREAT Tyson Chandler actually showed up in the Heat series. He was quite unimpressive (when we needed him most)

Tyson was really sick the first couple games you can tell.

As JVG says, if you're playing then you are NOT sick. I saw Jordan so sick in a game that he looked like he would collapse during timeouts. He still played great because thats what great players do.

Tyson did not play too well after he "got better" either.

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly keyword role player. Unless Nash is coming for the full mle and dolan makea a splash. No one is coming here and overshadowing lin and what he means to new york and the league

And that will make the NY Knicks better?

What is your best idea for a back up pg?

Do you think Lin is ready to play on a level of basketball we saw the last week?

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at he level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare - so exactly why should Lin be benched again? We don't have a window of beating the Heat with Melo and Amare put down the kool aid.

Really, you don't have to like Melo but you should be honest..Melo is an elite player that can and has played on that level...He performed down the stretch this season...He was the only player we had against the Heat that showed up, where was Chandler?...He showed up last year against Boston in the first round...Amare has tons of playoff experience in Phoenix where he has been a beast...I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly...

The question wasn't about showing up, it was about playing at the level we saw last week. Right now Melo isn't even on the same planet as Lebron, comparing anyone we have to Wade is a joke and Bosh is better than Amare. Show me when Melo has matched Lebron's stats from this playoff series in the playoffs - go ahead. And by stats I don't mean pts scored as the only metric. Lebron has more assists, rebounds, plays incredible defense and Melo has baby fat and a piss poor shooting efficiency. If you want to be "objective" about Lin, then take the same approach with Melo.

Bron is the best player on the planet, no one is playing on his level...For me, I'll take Melo over Wade, and that's not a joke...When healthy, Bosh is not better than Amare...The problem with Amare is he needs a PG that is looking to get him involved...I'll take Melo with the ball in his hands with two minutes left over any player the Heat has, but that's me...You are trying to equate a guy who is essentially rookie to proven all stars...

Mario Chalmers is proven all star? OK, if you say so.

The game isn't played in the last two minutes you need to get through the first 46 without being down 25 if you want the last two minutes to count. Amare's chances of getting healthy are diminishing with each year. And Melo doesn't play Wade's position. As constructed we can't beat heHeat because to do that Melo has to outplay Lebron (ain't happening), JR has to outplay Wade (LOL) and Amare has to outplay Bosh (this is still within the realm of possibility). And yes I think Lin can definitely hold is own against Chalmers once he gets some experience and develops an understanding with his teammates.

Well I thought you were comparing Lin being able to handle the pressure to Melo and Amare not Charlmers, you did say no one on the Knicks can play on that level other than Chandler...As constructed you are correct, we can't beat the Heat...Our PG can't or hasn't handled the defensive pressure the Heat brings to the table...We could accept that as our fate reup and hope he gets better in the off season or sign a vet who we think can handle the pressure...

Basketball is not a series of one on one matchups, if so, Dallas would not have won last year...

One more time....

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at the level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare

It woulda been nice if the GREAT Tyson Chandler actually showed up in the Heat series. He was quite unimpressive (when we needed him most)

Tyson was really sick the first couple games you can tell.

As JVG says, if you're playing then you are NOT sick. I saw Jordan so sick in a game that he looked like he would collapse during timeouts. He still played great because thats what great players do.

Tyson did not play too well after he "got better" either.

3) Jordan is very close to GOD or at least godly

Yes, he did not play well, but we simply were outmatched.

4) Do you even expect Chandler to be able to cover all 5 players on the court? Cause NONE of our starters could defend their own man....

Bibby
Fields
Melo
Amare

especially when his man pulls him out with Bosh.

5) with our 2nd best defender being JR Smith which he had no shot at Wade.

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly keyword role player. Unless Nash is coming for the full mle and dolan makea a splash. No one is coming here and overshadowing lin and what he means to new york and the league

And that will make the NY Knicks better?

What is your best idea for a back up pg?

Do you think Lin is ready to play on a level of basketball we saw the last week?

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at he level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare - so exactly why should Lin be benched again? We don't have a window of beating the Heat with Melo and Amare put down the kool aid.

Really, you don't have to like Melo but you should be honest..Melo is an elite player that can and has played on that level...He performed down the stretch this season...He was the only player we had against the Heat that showed up, where was Chandler?...He showed up last year against Boston in the first round...Amare has tons of playoff experience in Phoenix where he has been a beast...I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly...

The question wasn't about showing up, it was about playing at the level we saw last week. Right now Melo isn't even on the same planet as Lebron, comparing anyone we have to Wade is a joke and Bosh is better than Amare. Show me when Melo has matched Lebron's stats from this playoff series in the playoffs - go ahead. And by stats I don't mean pts scored as the only metric. Lebron has more assists, rebounds, plays incredible defense and Melo has baby fat and a piss poor shooting efficiency. If you want to be "objective" about Lin, then take the same approach with Melo.

Bron is the best player on the planet, no one is playing on his level...For me, I'll take Melo over Wade, and that's not a joke...When healthy, Bosh is not better than Amare...The problem with Amare is he needs a PG that is looking to get him involved...I'll take Melo with the ball in his hands with two minutes left over any player the Heat has, but that's me...You are trying to equate a guy who is essentially rookie to proven all stars...

Mario Chalmers is proven all star? OK, if you say so.

The game isn't played in the last two minutes you need to get through the first 46 without being down 25 if you want the last two minutes to count. Amare's chances of getting healthy are diminishing with each year. And Melo doesn't play Wade's position. As constructed we can't beat heHeat because to do that Melo has to outplay Lebron (ain't happening), JR has to outplay Wade (LOL) and Amare has to outplay Bosh (this is still within the realm of possibility). And yes I think Lin can definitely hold is own against Chalmers once he gets some experience and develops an understanding with his teammates.

Well I thought you were comparing Lin being able to handle the pressure to Melo and Amare not Charlmers, you did say no one on the Knicks can play on that level other than Chandler...As constructed you are correct, we can't beat the Heat...Our PG can't or hasn't handled the defensive pressure the Heat brings to the table...We could accept that as our fate reup and hope he gets better in the off season or sign a vet who we think can handle the pressure...

Basketball is not a series of one on one matchups, if so, Dallas would not have won last year...

One more time....

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at the level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare

It woulda been nice if the GREAT Tyson Chandler actually showed up in the Heat series. He was quite unimpressive (when we needed him most)

Tyson was really sick the first couple games you can tell.

That makes it ok then, maybe he will show up next year...

i never said it was ok but tyson is one of the main reasons we made it to the playoofs. Im really hoping melo improves his playoof record next year

Well if Chandler shows up he just might...

yellowboy90 wrote:

RonRon wrote:1) are you really comparing Tyson to Jordan?
2) no normal athlete being would able to play a playoff intense basketball game when you are burning up 101 degrees +

3) Jordan is very close to GOD or at least godly

Yes, he did not play well, but we simply were outmatched.

4) Do you even expect Chandler to be able to cover all 5 players on the court? Cause NONE of our starters could defend their own man....

Bibby
Fields
Melo
Amare

especially when his man pulls him out with Bosh.

5) with our 2nd best defender being JR Smith which he had no shot at Wade.

The best defender was Melo in the series and Chandler was probably the 4th best. He turned into Amar'e letting guys into the lane and not grabbing rebounds, Also, no he is not Jordan but he had a lesser role than Jordan. Play D, set picks, and rebound. He barely did one the whole series. Tyson was beyond terrible. Does that mean he did not do a good job in the regular season, no. Tyson is good but people make him out to be more than he is.

spot on!

There were points in the series, many of them, that Tyson looked like he was barely trying.

Melo was the ONLY player who showed up - he can't do it alone especially being guarded by the BEST defender in the league (Chandler is not close). 28 points per, 8 rebs vs Tyson 6 pts and 9 rebs. Yes Chandler is the only one on the elite level.

Tyson's game 4 lost us any shot - he was awful. And the dumb fouls did not help either.

mrKnickShot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly keyword role player. Unless Nash is coming for the full mle and dolan makea a splash. No one is coming here and overshadowing lin and what he means to new york and the league

And that will make the NY Knicks better?

What is your best idea for a back up pg?

Do you think Lin is ready to play on a level of basketball we saw the last week?

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at he level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare - so exactly why should Lin be benched again? We don't have a window of beating the Heat with Melo and Amare put down the kool aid.

Really, you don't have to like Melo but you should be honest..Melo is an elite player that can and has played on that level...He performed down the stretch this season...He was the only player we had against the Heat that showed up, where was Chandler?...He showed up last year against Boston in the first round...Amare has tons of playoff experience in Phoenix where he has been a beast...I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly...

The question wasn't about showing up, it was about playing at the level we saw last week. Right now Melo isn't even on the same planet as Lebron, comparing anyone we have to Wade is a joke and Bosh is better than Amare. Show me when Melo has matched Lebron's stats from this playoff series in the playoffs - go ahead. And by stats I don't mean pts scored as the only metric. Lebron has more assists, rebounds, plays incredible defense and Melo has baby fat and a piss poor shooting efficiency. If you want to be "objective" about Lin, then take the same approach with Melo.

Bron is the best player on the planet, no one is playing on his level...For me, I'll take Melo over Wade, and that's not a joke...When healthy, Bosh is not better than Amare...The problem with Amare is he needs a PG that is looking to get him involved...I'll take Melo with the ball in his hands with two minutes left over any player the Heat has, but that's me...You are trying to equate a guy who is essentially rookie to proven all stars...

Mario Chalmers is proven all star? OK, if you say so.

The game isn't played in the last two minutes you need to get through the first 46 without being down 25 if you want the last two minutes to count. Amare's chances of getting healthy are diminishing with each year. And Melo doesn't play Wade's position. As constructed we can't beat heHeat because to do that Melo has to outplay Lebron (ain't happening), JR has to outplay Wade (LOL) and Amare has to outplay Bosh (this is still within the realm of possibility). And yes I think Lin can definitely hold is own against Chalmers once he gets some experience and develops an understanding with his teammates.

Well I thought you were comparing Lin being able to handle the pressure to Melo and Amare not Charlmers, you did say no one on the Knicks can play on that level other than Chandler...As constructed you are correct, we can't beat the Heat...Our PG can't or hasn't handled the defensive pressure the Heat brings to the table...We could accept that as our fate reup and hope he gets better in the off season or sign a vet who we think can handle the pressure...

Basketball is not a series of one on one matchups, if so, Dallas would not have won last year...

One more time....

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at the level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare

It woulda been nice if the GREAT Tyson Chandler actually showed up in the Heat series. He was quite unimpressive (when we needed him most)

Agreed, he had a horrible series. But I still think he is better than the Heat centers, I don't think we can say that for any other position.

MSG3 wrote:

RonRon wrote:I don't care if Melo drops 100pts, we would never win the series, with the style he is playing...
Remember when Kobe dropped 80+ pts his career year, well it ended with a lottery draft pick of Bynum.
OKC tried playing that style with much more talent and players, failed, enough said.....
3 games, could have went any way, Game 2,3,and 4, with the calls favoring Heats those games, even in game 1 but OKC was just finished strong...

Dude....OKC failed? They lost in the finals. We didn't lose because of Melo. We lost because we had no one that could shoot BESIDES Melo and no depth.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

RonRon wrote:I don't care if Melo drops 100pts, we would never win the series, with the style he is playing...
Remember when Kobe dropped 80+ pts his career year, well it ended with a lottery draft pick of Bynum.
OKC tried playing that style with much more talent and players, failed, enough said.....
3 games, could have went any way, Game 2,3,and 4, with the calls favoring Heats those games, even in game 1 but OKC was just finished strong...

Dude....OKC failed? They lost in the finals. We didn't lose because of Melo. We lost because we had no one that could shoot BESIDES Melo and no depth.

It's odd that the guy who shoots around 40% is considered the only one who can shoot. And he was 22% from 3 point range.

Yeah - its hard to score 1 on 5 let alone against the best defender in the league by miles. How did Paul Pierce do? And he had help. Uh .... not so good!

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why we lost that series had absolutely nothing to do with tyson. Whatever you people are smaking I want some. we lost because we lacked efficient shooters. Miami packed the paint and fields and jr missed countless shots and novak cant get a shot off against good defensive teams like miami and chicago. But sure keep blaming melo tyson and woodson as amare, jr & fields get off scott free

No one is saying we lost because of Chandler..What we are saying is he doesn't get a free pass because he has a ring...Melo doesn't shoulder all the blame here..The entire team has to show up...For the Knicks to win they all have to show up as a team...When one guy shows up and gets the blame for not getting out the first round again is really not the right way to look at things...