Nalod wrote:
Great thread!

Insert Larry Brown for MDA and you have a total retro feel to it.

I especially love the speculatons of who sat down with who or did not, at if the media don't report it, it don't happen.

Its pretty simple rather:

Donnie did not agree with it and he left.

MDA tried to make it work, but he could not.

Linsanity validated his theory. He wanted Melo gone. Dolan would not have that.

MDA gone.

MDA can coach but not with players like Melo.

I am not leaving so fast but like others are saying Brooklyn is interesting and will be watching with interest.

For what ever reason Im glad everyone walks away good.

Its mostly fans whom will have to make one or the other a "villian" and assign blame.

No don't go Nalod! Brooklyn is a shiet hole! Barclays will have empty seats with no Deron or Dwight. Stay in Manhattan, at least you can go to Flashdancers after a loss to ease the pain.

JamesKPolk wrote:I'm not sure what there is to celebrate. This team is once again an embarrassment.

Carmelo Anthony now holds the juice card at MSG, ala Marbury. And like Marbury he has been nothing but losing and pouting since he arrived here. Yet people still put him up on a pedestal like he's done anything for this franchise. We now have James Dolan doing anything to appease Carmelo. This is not going to end well. Bowing down to a guy who hasn't won a thing in his career and who has the nerve to boss the franchise around after being here for a year never ends well.

Mike D'Antoni was not a good coach but he was not the main reason the Knicks were 18-24. He was part of it, sure, but the players take a big share of the blame for that. People here want to act like D'Antoni was holding the Knicks back from championship contention and I can only laugh at that assertion. This team isn't built for a championship. These pieces simply don't fit. Amare and Carmelo will not work and neither will phasing out Lin into a nobody again. This team had something good going only a month ago but like always they can never seem content with it. They always want to tinker and ruin a good thing. James Dolan once again proves he's the worst owner in sports. 11 years of pathetic play and all we can show for it is.....what, exactly? Nothing. Nothing at all.

Welcome to the UK board...

Who are you again? (Waits for introduction or Alba posts...)

JamesKPolk wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:I'm not sure what there is to celebrate. This team is once again an embarrassment.

Carmelo Anthony now holds the juice card at MSG, ala Marbury. And like Marbury he has been nothing but losing and pouting since he arrived here. Yet people still put him up on a pedestal like he's done anything for this franchise. We now have James Dolan doing anything to appease Carmelo. This is not going to end well. Bowing down to a guy who hasn't won a thing in his career and who has the nerve to boss the franchise around after being here for a year never ends well.

Mike D'Antoni was not a good coach but he was not the main reason the Knicks were 18-24. He was part of it, sure, but the players take a big share of the blame for that. People here want to act like D'Antoni was holding the Knicks back from championship contention and I can only laugh at that assertion. This team isn't built for a championship. These pieces simply don't fit. Amare and Carmelo will not work and neither will phasing out Lin into a nobody again. This team had something good going only a month ago but like always they can never seem content with it. They always want to tinker and ruin a good thing. James Dolan once again proves he's the worst owner in sports. 11 years of pathetic play and all we can show for it is.....what, exactly? Nothing. Nothing at all.

Welcome to the UK board...

Who are you again? (Waits for introduction or Alba posts...)

I'm James and you're the guy who said the Knicks are going on a big run because Mike D'Antoni was apparently holding them back from greatness.

Interesting take. I'm flattered you'd think I'm only guy on this entire message board or amongst millions of fans that didn't think D'Antoni was doing a good job as Knicks head coach.

Nalod wrote:
Great thread!

Insert Larry Brown for MDA and you have a total retro feel to it.

I especially love the speculatons of who sat down with who or did not, at if the media don't report it, it don't happen.

Its pretty simple rather:

Donnie did not agree with it and he left.

MDA tried to make it work, but he could not.

Linsanity validated his theory. He wanted Melo gone. Dolan would not have that.

MDA gone.

MDA can coach but not with players like Melo.

I am not leaving so fast but like others are saying Brooklyn is interesting and will be watching with interest.

For what ever reason Im glad everyone walks away good.

Its mostly fans whom will have to make one or the other a "villian" and assign blame.

Linsanity validated his theory? 8-1 is validity? If so, there is a scrap-heap of recycled coaches who have 7-8 game win streaks on their otherwise losing resume's that are crying 'foul' for be let go too soon. Melo/Stat and Billups closed last season at 7-1 so what does that say? It says that for 4 years MDA had flashes of success here and there, but too many times it was followed with mulit-ple 8-9 game losing streaks which buried him with a 420. win %.

MDA is a good coach but he's a system coach who cannot/or does not want to adapt. Because of this, it didn't work.

Im a Knick fan through and through, they can build an arena in my backyard and plant invite the NBA's 31st expansion team to play there and I still wouldn't leave my beloved Knicks.

gunsnewing wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Z

nixluva wrote:It's not about MDA's Time in PHX. That is used to at least make it clear that you can't just start counting time from his time in NY and say he's not any good. They brought him in cuz he was a good coach and had proven that with his work before NY.

Here in NY MDA was trying to get the team to play a TEAM oriented style of BB. The lack of D was more a function of the type of players we had.
If you bring in defensive players you're gonna get some better defense. MDA made the Shump pick and he was the one calling for Jared to be brought back. MDA is not averse to defense the way it's often reported. If your 2 stars are horrid defenders and sometime rebounders you'll have problems. I thought the team was making small progress and that if Jared came back that could give the team the defensive boost they've been missing. I hope they will still play hard on D, despite losing MDA, whom a lot of the players liked.

Don't waste your time with these guys. Their 15 minutes will be up soon.
I am happy he was able to leave on his own terms rather than getting dumped by dole-ass later.
Unless we get PJax we are toast.

Yeah it would really suck if Mike Woodson was successful and the team came together and won.

Seriously. I bet if we lost, we'd get the 'See, it wasn't the coach it was the players Melo." Since we won, its "dont take too much from this game..."

Stated the same thing in the gamethread. You'd hearing its Melo, Dolan & Woodson's fault

Feel free to get your digs in guys. I stand by what I said. There's a reason Woodson didn't have a head coaching job and we hired him as an assistant coach.

There are not many coaches out there that can make this work. Y'all want to watch some idiot flailing his arms and yelling at the players from the sidelines because that fits your prescribed coaching stereotype. That's cool. And when that experiment meets its eventual conclusion you'll be asking for him to be fired. What else is new?

Fair enough bro. I'm not saying Woodson is going to be the coach. We'll have to see if the team continues to rally behind him and see what they can do in the playoffs. I'm just not a fan of people jumping to conclusions, analyzing body language and bashing everyone like Melo & Dolan when they want to win just as much as we do and not even giving Woodson a chance. It's been obvious over the years that Dantoni would not adapt to his players. He would continue coaching what he knows whether the front office got him his players or not. Ending it sooner rather than later benefited both sides. This team is stacked and should not be in 9th place

Guns, you have been arounf here long enough to know MDA's body language has been over analyzed to death and beyond. Just read MDA treads and you'll see legions of fans who are experts on every gesture, frown and expression MDA ever had. They can even find direct links to how the team played and how many times MDA blinked in a a game.

So Melo and Dolan want to win and MDA didn't? What's with you defending Dolan anyways? Baby Huey is the reason why we are in this mess. If he wanted MDA to coach Melo he should have extended him, instead he forced a lame duck coach on a guy who has never been very coachable. In this league the stars have more power than the coaches. Are the expectation on Melo unfair - absoltely. BUT THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED. So he needs to suck it up and deal with it.

Ending this benefited MDA, it did not, has not and will not benefit the Knicks. It may have benefited Melo, I don't really know.

AlexanderFuSheng wrote:41/2 POINT FAVORITE - GOOD NIGHT TO go big on The Knicks....i guess.

This was a typo. I meant 41 1/2 point favorite.

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Z

nixluva wrote:It's not about MDA's Time in PHX. That is used to at least make it clear that you can't just start counting time from his time in NY and say he's not any good. They brought him in cuz he was a good coach and had proven that with his work before NY.

Here in NY MDA was trying to get the team to play a TEAM oriented style of BB. The lack of D was more a function of the type of players we had.
If you bring in defensive players you're gonna get some better defense. MDA made the Shump pick and he was the one calling for Jared to be brought back. MDA is not averse to defense the way it's often reported. If your 2 stars are horrid defenders and sometime rebounders you'll have problems. I thought the team was making small progress and that if Jared came back that could give the team the defensive boost they've been missing. I hope they will still play hard on D, despite losing MDA, whom a lot of the players liked.

Don't waste your time with these guys. Their 15 minutes will be up soon.
I am happy he was able to leave on his own terms rather than getting dumped by dole-ass later.
Unless we get PJax we are toast.

Yeah it would really suck if Mike Woodson was successful and the team came together and won.

Seriously. I bet if we lost, we'd get the 'See, it wasn't the coach it was the players Melo." Since we won, its "dont take too much from this game..."

Stated the same thing in the gamethread. You'd hearing its Melo, Dolan & Woodson's fault

Feel free to get your digs in guys. I stand by what I said. There's a reason Woodson didn't have a head coaching job and we hired him as an assistant coach.

There are not many coaches out there that can make this work. Y'all want to watch some idiot flailing his arms and yelling at the players from the sidelines because that fits your prescribed coaching stereotype. That's cool. And when that experiment meets its eventual conclusion you'll be asking for him to be fired. What else is new?

Fair enough bro. I'm not saying Woodson is going to be the coach. We'll have to see if the team continues to rally behind him and see what they can do in the playoffs. I'm just not a fan of people jumping to conclusions, analyzing body language and bashing everyone like Melo & Dolan when they want to win just as much as we do and not even giving Woodson a chance. It's been obvious over the years that Dantoni would not adapt to his players. He would continue coaching what he knows whether the front office got him his players or not. Ending it sooner rather than later benefited both sides. This team is stacked and should not be in 9th place

Guns, you have been arounf here long enough to know MDA's body language has been over analyzed to death and beyond. Just read MDA treads and you'll see legions of fans who are experts on every gesture, frown and expression MDA ever had. They can even find direct links to how the team played and how many times MDA blinked in a a game.

So Melo and Dolan want to win and MDA didn't? What's with you defending Dolan anyways? Baby Huey is the reason why we are in this mess. If he wanted MDA to coach Melo he should have extended him, instead he forced a lame duck coach on a guy who has never been very coachable. In this league the stars have more power than the coaches. Are the expectation on Melo unfair - absoltely. BUT THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED. So he needs to suck it up and deal with it.

Ending this benefited MDA, it did not, has not and will not benefit the Knicks. It may have benefited Melo, I don't really know.

markvmc wrote:

CrushAlot wrote: How many games under .500 did he need to go with the talent he had this year before moving on from D'Antoni and his system was not a ridiculous move in your opinion?

If you're commited to keeping our star players, then letting D'Antoni go was exactly the right decision. There was also the option, however, of trying to trade Anthony, whilst keeping D'Antoni. Either move makes things better short term.

Long term I think we bet on the wrong horse.

Well said.

The guy did have trouble motivating many of his players, especially some veterans here. The guy left a lot to be desired in his in-game changes to adapt to what the opposing team is doing. The guy was terrible calling timeouts. The guy had trouble making every player accountable and not just the rookies and young ones. And while he improved on it this season, he still needed to demand and work better defense for this team.

I'm still shocked at what happens and whenever a coach is fired/resigns/split mutually, it leaves a bad taste on the team. We are fortunate Woodson, his replacement for now, has been a successful headcoach before, so the situation doesn't look that bad. He might be the right guy to get our stars motivated while keeping the bench involved.

I wish D'Antoni the best wherever he goes and hope his tough time with the team taught him how to be a better coach in many of the areas he did'nt work well here.