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3/23/2011  11:20 PM
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FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Don't matter who is GM..I just know D'Antoni formula is not gonna work against the teams in the Eastern Conference. Have to play D and rebound. We should have enough offensive talent to win games if we play above average defense in the years to come.

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3/23/2011  11:34 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Don't matter who is GM..I just know D'Antoni formula is not gonna work against the teams in the Eastern Conference. Have to play D and rebound. We should have enough offensive talent to win games if we play above average defense in the years to come.

It does matter who the GM is. We need to fix the problems with this roster. We don't have a strong rebounder on the roster except at SG and SF. None of our bigs is really a threat to compete on the boards. Sheldon has a good rebound rate, but he can't really play in any other area.

I guarantee that if you add good defensive bigs that board to this roster all of a sudden we'll be able to rebound. It hurts that the bigs we have aren't really beasts on the boards. That's not a coaching thing that's a GM thing.

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3/23/2011  11:37 PM
Melo sounded like he did his thing with the points and assists but the paint is a painful place for us. Get Amar'e and Billups some acupuncture or deep tissue & tendon massage.
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3/23/2011  11:37 PM
nixluva wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Don't matter who is GM..I just know D'Antoni formula is not gonna work against the teams in the Eastern Conference. Have to play D and rebound. We should have enough offensive talent to win games if we play above average defense in the years to come.

It does matter who the GM is. We need to fix the problems with this roster. We don't have a strong rebounder on the roster except at SG and SF. None of our bigs is really a threat to compete on the boards. Sheldon has a good rebound rate, but he can't really play in any other area.

I guarantee that if you add good defensive bigs that board to this roster all of a sudden we'll be able to rebound. It hurts that the bigs we have aren't really beasts on the boards. That's not a coaching thing that's a GM thing.

What I meant is to ME it doesn't matter if it's Walsh or a New GM..D'Antoni is not the guy regardless of the roster. Just don't like his brand of play..it's too soft of a style. We need a Coach who really promotes toughness and defense.

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3/23/2011  11:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2011  12:04 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Crush, did you read Steven A's piece today? pretty much he says players are telling him the Knicks "not feeling MDA" at all these days & some of his assistant coaches are talking about him getting them fired

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3/23/2011  11:44 PM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Crush, did you read Steven A's piece today? pretty much he says Knick players are telling him they're "not feeling MDA" at all these days & some of his assistant coaches are talking about him getting them fired

I wouldn't read into what Steven A says..he grabs on to stories when they are sensational. Knicks win 5 in a row and he will write a piece on how the Knicks will beat the Celtics in the 1st round.

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3/23/2011  11:59 PM
From Adamek's Twitter:
D'Antoni: "Nobody's happy. The only thing we can do is stay calm. We understand the [fans'] anxiety."

At least he isn't telling fans to take prozac anymore.

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3/24/2011  12:01 AM
CrushAlot wrote:From Adamek's Twitter:
D'Antoni: "Nobody's happy. The only thing we can do is stay calm. We understand the [fans'] anxiety."

At least he isn't telling fans to take prozac anymore.

You stop this right now, Crush!

I have just about had enough of you insulting our head coach. Show some respect before I show it to you via my fist in your face. Yes, them are definitely fighting words. You've pushed me to this point!

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3/24/2011  12:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2011  12:04 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Crush, did you read Steven A's piece today? pretty much he says players are telling him the Knicks "not feeling MDA" at all these days & some of his assistant coaches are talking about him getting them fired

I wouldn't read into what Steven A says..he grabs on to stories when they are sensational. Knicks win 5 in a row and he will write a piece on how the Knicks will beat the Celtics in the 1st round.

i usually take anything he writes with a grain of salt, but he was straight saying that players were coming up to HIM & saying the Knicks weren't feeling MDA anymore... he's a sensationalist i agree but he also has much more direct access to the team than most guys writing up crap pieces on their blogs or posting on a fan forum do.

here's a snippet:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6246952

After their loss to the Celtics, Billups, Stoudemire, Anthony, Jeffries and others were experts in evasive measures. "We sense the momentum -- we're not stupid," one Knick told me. "We can feel the heat coming in [D'Antoni's] direction. We're staying clear of that mess."

Publicly, that is!

Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.

Down the hall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."

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3/24/2011  12:03 AM
^Because he knows they shoudn't be losing so many games, he knows they aren't close yet and he also feels he is really on the hot seat.
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3/24/2011  12:06 AM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Crush, did you read Steven A's piece today? pretty much he says players are telling him the Knicks "not feeling MDA" at all these days & some of his assistant coaches are talking about him getting them fired

I didn't see it. Is it on espn or do you have link?
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3/24/2011  12:07 AM
Question you have to ask yourself is even before the trade, was D'Antoni doing a great coaching job...very questionable. Plenty of nights you asked yourself did the team play to their full potential. I just dont' see his style working in the long run. It worked in Phoenix cause of a guy named Nash in my opinion. Where else are you going to find a point guard who is a such a great shooter and passer. He was an offense within himself.
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3/24/2011  12:09 AM
TMS, thanks for posting that. I didn't see it. I agree that you take what he says with a grain of salt but there always seems to be some validity to it.
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3/24/2011  12:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2011  12:19 AM
CrushAlot wrote:TMS, thanks for posting that. I didn't see it. I agree that you take what he says with a grain of salt but there always seems to be some validity to it.

i mispoke on my original reference to the article he didn't cite Knick players saying they weren't feeling MDA but he did reference a Celtics player who was close to many Knicks on the team that said it, & the asst coaches were worried Melo would get them fired, not MDA... sorry haven't gotten much sleep of late

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3/24/2011  12:27 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Never pay attention to Vescey any more, that dude is shot, just bitterness these days. Hahn is more balanced IMHO.

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3/24/2011  12:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2011  12:40 AM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I'm confident Walsh will find better role players for our bench next season..and a true big man.
I am getting the feeling that Walsh isn't coming back. Vecesy and Hahn have both made ominous reference to this in their own way. I don't know where this leaves the franchise but if Walsh is gone they need to get rid of D'Antoni and let the new administration bring in their own coach. I don't think D'Antoni is the guy and I don't think he lasts long without Walsh protecting and defending him.

Never pay attention to Vescey any more, that dude is shot, just bitterness these days. Hahn is more balanced IMHO.

I'm getting that feeling that D'Antoni and Walsh are gone this summer. Possibly more or less by their own choosing. Isola has been reporting non-stop that Walsh and D'Antoni didn't want the deal and that seems to be playing out on the court... so of course they'll be blamed for it not working.

edit: MDA cancelling practice twice in the last week... i mean... is it possible he's just mailing it in?

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3/24/2011  12:37 AM
TMS wrote:

here's a snippet:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6246952

After their loss to the Celtics, Billups, Stoudemire, Anthony, Jeffries and others were experts in evasive measures. "We sense the momentum -- we're not stupid," one Knick told me. "We can feel the heat coming in [D'Antoni's] direction. We're staying clear of that mess."

Publicly, that is!

Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.

Down the hall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."

Thanks for posting that - had not seen it.

I wonder if Chauncey's atrocious play is actually a sort of protest against MDA?

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3/24/2011  12:42 AM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:

here's a snippet:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6246952

After their loss to the Celtics, Billups, Stoudemire, Anthony, Jeffries and others were experts in evasive measures. "We sense the momentum -- we're not stupid," one Knick told me. "We can feel the heat coming in [D'Antoni's] direction. We're staying clear of that mess."

Publicly, that is!

Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.

Down the hall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."

Thanks for posting that - had not seen it.

I wonder if Chauncey's atrocious play is actually a sort of protest against MDA?

Some of those shots he takes do seem sabotage like.

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3/24/2011  12:44 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:

here's a snippet:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6246952

After their loss to the Celtics, Billups, Stoudemire, Anthony, Jeffries and others were experts in evasive measures. "We sense the momentum -- we're not stupid," one Knick told me. "We can feel the heat coming in [D'Antoni's] direction. We're staying clear of that mess."

Publicly, that is!

Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.

Down the hall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."

Thanks for posting that - had not seen it.

I wonder if Chauncey's atrocious play is actually a sort of protest against MDA?

Some of those shots he takes do seem sabotage like.

The thought crossed my mind once or twice, but I have to believe Chauncey's more of a pro than that.

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3/24/2011  12:45 AM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:

here's a snippet:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6246952

After their loss to the Celtics, Billups, Stoudemire, Anthony, Jeffries and others were experts in evasive measures. "We sense the momentum -- we're not stupid," one Knick told me. "We can feel the heat coming in [D'Antoni's] direction. We're staying clear of that mess."

Publicly, that is!

Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.

Down the hall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."

Thanks for posting that - had not seen it.

I wonder if Chauncey's atrocious play is actually a sort of protest against MDA?

the part about being offended by their team & "defense" being mentioned together seems to suggest a player like Chauncey... he's used to playing on much better defensive teams... our team's defense is a running joke has been somewhere in the bottom 10 of the NBA since MDA's been our head coach... it's no surprise Stat has MDA's back he's had his best statistical seasons playing under him, but new guys like Melo & Chauncey, or even AC, Shelden & Balk have no feelings of loyalty to this coach & the 3 role guys aren't even getting any burn right now, maybe these "private" ventings has something to do with it?

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