CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

cheers wrote:

PresIke wrote:i find it hilarious folks were STILL railing on mda about this game...

y'all are one thing...

persistent...

because mda has such a stellar record

lol, record?

dude won A LOT of games with the suns, with a good mix of players for his system.

this year, it's the best we've had and we are a good team.

yeah, he's stubborn...about things he clearly thinks will help the team WIN GAMES.

do you not want to win?

i read articles today, including the one you posted, but complained about quoting more than you liked, pointing to the reason for the short rotation...

but no, it's all his fault that hill, randolph, darko, hughes, mozgov, etc. haven't played well consistently...

notice all of them have questionable work ethics or are in need of time...

mda is a coach for a team that wins...

he has VERY high expectations of his players, which is actually a very good thing (in education literature)...

if we were a team that didn't worry about wins, those guys would play...

but we are.

i dunno how many times that has to be stated, but honestly, i'm not sure why i state this since i've never seen you respond to this point.

walsh and mda are playing the short term gain game, with hopes they can get better fitting players or sort things out in other ways before the trade deadline, or at least as much as possible.

amar'e is probably not going to play as many minutes, nor felton, if we have guys who play well and can be trusted to do so.

that's why those guys AREN'T PLAYING...

but no, some here want to coddle them while we risk losing games...lol

i guess we want to go back to rebuilding/bad team style...

all of the arguments railing on mda have been addressed over and over, but who cares, mda is the anti-christ coach, ruins youth, crashes and burns this team...

i ain't saying he's perfect, but i am not so harshly critical of his approach because it appears to make sense with the goals of the team.

win games, make the team's prestige improve to be attractive to others, and start to compete on a playoff level.

Uptown wrote:Rony caught that pass with his beard...lol. He's got stickem in there.

Papabear Says

LOL you guys are crazy. I'm just reading all of the posts and you guys are truly Knicks die hards. So am I.

PresIke wrote:

cheers wrote:

PresIke wrote:i find it hilarious folks were STILL railing on mda about this game...

y'all are one thing...

persistent...

because mda has such a stellar record

lol, record?

dude won A LOT of games with the suns, with a good mix of players for his system.

this year, it's the best we've had and we are a good team.

yeah, he's stubborn...about things he clearly thinks will help the team WIN GAMES.

do you not want to win?

i read articles today, including the one you posted, but complained about quoting more than you liked, pointing to the reason for the short rotation...

but no, it's all his fault that hill, randolph, darko, hughes, mozgov, etc. haven't played well consistently...

notice all of them have questionable work ethics or are in need of time...

mda is a coach for a team that wins...

he has VERY high expectations of his players, which is actually a very good thing (in education literature)...

if we were a team that didn't worry about wins, those guys would play...

but we are.

i dunno how many times that has to be stated, but honestly, i'm not sure why i state this since i've never seen you respond to this point.

walsh and mda are playing the short term gain game, with hopes they can get better fitting players or sort things out in other ways before the trade deadline, or at least as much as possible.

amar'e is probably not going to play as many minutes, nor felton, if we have guys who play well and can be trusted to do so.

that's why those guys AREN'T PLAYING...

but no, some here want to coddle them while we risk losing games...lol

i guess we want to go back to rebuilding/bad team style...

all of the arguments railing on mda have been addressed over and over, but who cares, mda is the anti-christ coach, ruins youth, crashes and burns this team...

i ain't saying he's perfect, but i am not so harshly critical of his approach because it appears to make sense with the goals of the team.

win games, make the team's prestige improve to be attractive to others, and start to compete on a playoff level.

if donnie fired mike tomorrow it would not even be a bump in the road for the knicks. [mike] was not what the knicks have been missing for a decade, amar'e is. so now that we got the importance of mike out the way. to me winning as a team, is winning as a team.. not rotations that shrink as soon as mike's balls shrink.

TMS wrote:

PresIke wrote:

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:We come back from a three game skid, blow out an elite team (at least from the looks of it) and all you guys can do is whine about AR? Some of you guys deserve the Isiah Knicks, get used to winning, people. And just for once quit the effing whining.

relax dude... no one's unhappy about a win... we just wanna see our bench guys get some burn in a blowout win... nothing wrong w/that.

perhaps it's those slinging mud at mda in any possible way to fit the view that he isn't "right" that could benefit from need relaxing.

there's always something to find "wrong."

it wasn't a PERFECT game, but really worth going nuts about?

seriously, no disrespect, but WE NEEDED this game.

no time to waste giving guys who clearly aren't up for the challenge to give the thunder a shot at coming back.

and notice...the bench SUCKED as soon as they came in.

in fact, my friend, lost some respect for the team when the bench cleared, saying, "there are some things to work on," but referring to the way the game ended...

hmmm...

who was on the floor then, against the other team's "scrubs?"

PresIke, you werent' even around for the game thread... i think you need to read through the entire thread before you comment on what's posted during the garbage time portion of the game... there were plenty of positive things being said about the way the team was playing all throughout the previous pages... do we have to keep harping about the same things after the game is over that we've already talked about earlier in the thread rather than comment about what's going on during that portion of the game?

fair point, TMS, i wasn't.

but i read through it, and as the game seemed to wane on folks were CLAMORING for randolph, etc.

i was at the game, and I NEVER THOUGHT OF PUTTING THEM IN until the game was IN THE BAG.

for our team, that means up 20 with 5 minutes to play.

because we've blown so many leads we need to build and keep confidence for the starters.

that's WAY more important than getting the end of the bench guys a few minutes to play.

i guess i am just amazed and tired of folks begging for guys who haven't proven jack to play when the team is winning games.

again, amazed.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Eddy curry has physical issues.

Anthony randolph has mental issues.

Can them both.

negative. curry has mental issues, he ate himself into an obesity disorder. all ar needs is minutes.

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:
if donnie fired mike tomorrow it would not even be a bump in the road for the knicks. donnie was not what the knicks have been missing for a decade, amar'e is. so now that we got the importance of mike out the way. to me winning as a team, is winning as a team.. not rotations that shrink as soon as mike's balls shrink.

Not to take anything away from Amare, but he's not the kind of player where you just roll the ball out there and let him do his thing. Our 3-8 season start attests to that. He's a player that could easily be misused to dreadful result. I think our 13-1 streak is largely creditable to D'Antoni's adjustments to the PnR, floor spacing, tempo, short rotations, etc. We could be doing a lot worse with other coaches who don't quite know how to get it to Amare where he likes it and how to empower PGs. It's no coincidence that Amare and Felton are our key contributors. (Which isn't to say most coaches wouldn't feature them, but they might feature them to a 3-8 result as we initially did.)

This is the thing some don't understand. Mike is a good coach and when he has players that execute what he's teaching them, his teams win. As i've said before, watching this team you can tell that they're well coached. You can't just roll the ball out there and expect a team to play this fast and with the teamwork they exhibited on both ends. They said they worked on D and O during the 3 days off. You could see the team was ready.

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:
if donnie fired mike tomorrow it would not even be a bump in the road for the knicks. donnie was not what the knicks have been missing for a decade, amar'e is. so now that we got the importance of mike out the way. to me winning as a team, is winning as a team.. not rotations that shrink as soon as mike's balls shrink.

Not to take anything away from Amare, but he's not the kind of player where you just roll the ball out there and let him do his thing. Our 3-8 season start attests to that. He's a player that could easily be misused to dreadful result. I think our 13-1 streak is largely creditable to D'Antoni's adjustments to the PnR, floor spacing, tempo, short rotations, etc. We could be doing a lot worse with other coaches who don't quite know how to get it to Amare where he likes it and how to empower PGs. It's no coincidence that Amare and Felton are our key contributors. (Which isn't to say most coaches wouldn't feature them, but they might feature them to a 3-8 result as we initially did.)

IIRC they weren't exactly a feature item at the time and 3-8 would lend that phrase some credence. 10 more wins and we beat last years win total. With 10 new guys on the team. I think the Knicks are ahead of schedule and gaining confidence in each other. I have seen some flashes of impressive basketball by this team.

nixluva wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:
if donnie fired mike tomorrow it would not even be a bump in the road for the knicks. [mike] was not what the knicks have been missing for a decade, amar'e is. so now that we got the importance of mike out the way. to me winning as a team, is winning as a team.. not rotations that shrink as soon as mike's balls shrink.

Not to take anything away from Amare, but he's not the kind of player where you just roll the ball out there and let him do his thing. Our 3-8 season start attests to that. He's a player that could easily be misused to dreadful result. I think our 13-1 streak is largely creditable to D'Antoni's adjustments to the PnR, floor spacing, tempo, short rotations, etc. We could be doing a lot worse with other coaches who don't quite know how to get it to Amare where he likes it and how to empower PGs. It's no coincidence that Amare and Felton are our key contributors. (Which isn't to say most coaches wouldn't feature them, but they might feature them to a 3-8 result as we initially did.)

This is the thing some don't understand. Mike is a good coach and when he has players that execute what he's teaching them, his teams win. As i've said before, watching this team you can tell that they're well coached. You can't just roll the ball out there and expect a team to play this fast and with the teamwork they exhibited on both ends. They said they worked on D and O during the 3 days off. You could see the team was ready.

mda looks good when the knicks win. true. but would the knicks be worse off if coach spo was head coach of new york instead of miami

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

I know you have read what my opinion is on this many times because you are quick to comment on it. I think Randolph should be given the chance Mosgov was given. Ten minutes a game to get some rythm and flow. Its nothing outrageous but there is a track record with D'Antoni of not developing guys. Douglas did not get any run until Walsh traveled with the team last year to evaluate the players and coaching staff.

AR simply has to keep working. I think he'll eventually get his chance and it's not gonna be because you think DW is forcing him to play.

cheers wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

I know you have read what my opinion is on this many times because you are quick to comment on it. I think Randolph should be given the chance Mosgov was given. Ten minutes a game to get some rythm and flow. Its nothing outrageous but there is a track record with D'Antoni of not developing guys. Douglas did not get any run until Walsh traveled with the team last year to evaluate the players and coaching staff.

THIS ISN'T TRUE! So many times people keep putting this out there, but TD was a rookie but still saw games where he got a ton of minutes early on. He would play well and see a lot of minutes and then there were games where he didn't see a lot of minutes. There were certainly some DNP's, but he was never totally shut down over the course of the season. I can repost the gamelogs I posted in another thread to prove it. The thing is that even with an off season to train TD still hasn't grown from where he was last year. It's not about the minutes you get in games. You have to grow and show you can execute in practice to start with and then the coach will gain confidence to put you in games.

AR simply has to keep working. I think he'll eventually get his chance and it's not gonna be because you think DW is forcing him to play.

nixluva even breen who rarely sees wrong in coaches and/or refs decisions. felt the need to chime in when mda called ar last to play. breen was trying to smooth things over to say hey don't worry mda is not really an a-hole, ar will get his shot. right now mda is making it look personal between coach and player. not cool.

I don't know how else to put this to you, but only Mike knows the truth about AR and how he's preparing and what his state of readiness is. You can only guess as to whether this kid is ready to contribute. You can only guess as to why Mike is holding him out of game action. As much as Mike wants to win, there's no way he'd hold back a player that could help him to win games. If you think that you really don't know what kind of person Mike is.