Marv wrote:for those keeping score at home, carmelo is shooting at a 43% clip this year with 33% from the 3-point line. he shot 8-of-21 in a 2-point loss to the bobcats tonight. to follow up on his 4-for-20 performance against memphis the game before.

for this we're supposed to commit a maximum salalry slot? and give up whom?

I can't believe some guys around here who are rendering opinions on Carmelo Anthony based on one or two bad games recently...I mean come on now...This man has nothing to prove to me at all. He is a star in this league and has been a star for some time..CASE CLOSED.

nixluva wrote:It's not just stats, but using my eyes, Melo is a great player, but he's more in the mold of guys that can do a lot but may not be the guy you need to win a title. He's our current version of Dominique Wilkins. Unbelievable player that can YES, drag a team to the playoffs ad do spectacular things. He really thrives in that kind of situation, but if you put him on a team that must rely on the team game i'm not sure how he fits. Does he do the right thing when it's needed or will he take the ill-advised jumper? From watching him I tend to think he tries to be the Hero and take a bad shot. It's almost an intangible thing i'm talking about. Just a feeling I get when watching Melo play. I feel his decision making isn't the same as some players that make the kinds of decisions that lead to championships. Just my opinion. Sure he can win a title, but I also think he's had some really good teams in Denver and they haven't always lived up to their full potential. If Lebron or Wade had those same teams I think they could do more.

Good points and pretty much my worries on Melo as well. I hope we can wait till February to see how this team ends up before we trade. I would be content waiting for the offseason to sign him, but there is the danger that Denver, for whatever reason, decides to trade him for less than we would give them just to spite us as it seems like for whatever reason they don't like us. They would do it to a team that is already pretty good, Melo might then decide to sign, big chance on Denver's part though.

Panos wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:I think Melo is every bit good, if not better than Pau Gasol, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett at their peaks.

You're out of your mind. Kevin Garnett was a two way beast. Former MVP.
Dwayne Wade is a wrecking ball. Dwight Howard is the most dominant Center in the game today.
And well, I don't like Pau Gasol, but he plays both sides of the ball.

Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think there's no way in the world you can put Melo on the level of Duncan. He's not D Wade either.

Why? I'll admit that after having thought it over, Melo being on par with Duncan is a bit of a stretch. Duncan was a much bigger game-changer defensively than Melo and his physical tools allowed him to be much more effective on the boards, while being an equally impressive offensive threat.

I don't buy your arguement for Dwayne Wade, who is very much the product of media hype. He's won a title as the best player on his team but that doesn't merit the status he as achieved necessarily. People tend to forget that immediately after that, they were knocked out of the first round and missed the playoffs entirely the following season. Wade puts up pretty numbers but it meant little in the way of wins for the Heat in a very weak Eastern Conference. You can use the "his teammates sucked," argument but Kobe Bryant got the Lakers a winning record and into the playoffs with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as starters. They nearly beat the league leading Suns in the playoffs in 7 games.

I understand what you're saying, but I just believe Wade is an amazing player and i've seen him drag GARBAGE to the playoffs and he's practically unstoppable when he wants to be. Comparing Wade with Kobe isn't pertinent or fair, when trying to compare Wade vs. Melo.

Melo is a great scorer, but I just don't feel he's got the same ability to get more out of his team. It's just my opinion. Melo is basically a one man show and I don't think what he does makes his team better. He's just a souped up version of Al Harrington or any other guy that can score in bunches. You get no D, No real passing, but you get a lot of ISO stuff with a lot of wasted possessions. Melo is a very inefficient scorer for a superstar.

If you asked me to pick Melo or Wade I take Melo everytime. Hands down. He is simply the better player. People always point out that Wade won a championship that didn't happen for him until Shaq and Pat Riley came along. Proven winners. Melo has never played with a proven winners of that caliber. Melo gets his team into the playoffs every year as the main focal point that says a lot. Always has to go against a stacked team in Lakers/Spurs in their conference. Denver contrary to what people believe doesn't have the talent level of an elite team. If not for Melo that team sits in the lottery. Wade for all his accomplishments has proven to be injury prone, has missed playoffs been to the lottery with one of the worst records. Yeah I like Wade good player but don't fool yourself into think he is better than Melo, melo has yet to take his team to the lottery as the main man. Melo just make his team better by his presence alone. Wade you can go at him and you can walk out a winner against him its been done to often. If the Knicks can add Melo and not lose Chandler I would say the Knicks have the making of a championship team.

I would take Melo too, but that's only because Wade is now approaching 29, and his game, kind of like AI's, will fall off significantly when his athleticism tapers. Melo on the other hand is younger, and has a more well-rounded game to play well into his 30's I feel.

The Wade we saw 2-3 years ago was one of the more electric scorers the league has had, and twice as efficient as AI. He also played elite defense from the guard position. I would take that Wade over Melo any day.

NYKBocker wrote:Melo really is not needed in this team anymore. Right now we have a bunch of really good role players as supporting cast for Amare. The offense does not run through Amare all the time but it does center around him. Gallo takes what the defense gives him because Amare commands everybodys attention. Team dynamics will falter with Melo as he is also an alpha dog. Right now we have an alpha and beta(Felton) dogs and a supporting cast that believe in themselves

to get to the next level though, another Knick besides Amare is going to have to step up production big time.

who does that?

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo really is not needed in this team anymore. Right now we have a bunch of really good role players as supporting cast for Amare. The offense does not run through Amare all the time but it does center around him. Gallo takes what the defense gives him because Amare commands everybodys attention. Team dynamics will falter with Melo as he is also an alpha dog. Right now we have an alpha and beta(Felton) dogs and a supporting cast that believe in themselves

to get to the next level though, another Knick besides Amare is going to have to step up production big time.

who does that?

I thought that is what Felton is doing right now. The duo of Gallo and Chandler has been tag teaming for the 3rd banana right now. One of them is always having a good scoring game or both of them would have at least 15 pts each. I think that is very good production.

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo really is not needed in this team anymore. Right now we have a bunch of really good role players as supporting cast for Amare. The offense does not run through Amare all the time but it does center around him. Gallo takes what the defense gives him because Amare commands everybodys attention. Team dynamics will falter with Melo as he is also an alpha dog. Right now we have an alpha and beta(Felton) dogs and a supporting cast that believe in themselves

to get to the next level though, another Knick besides Amare is going to have to step up production big time.

who does that?

I thought that is what Felton is doing right now. The duo of Gallo and Chandler has been tag teaming for the 3rd banana right now. One of them is always having a good scoring game or both of them would have at least 15 pts each. I think that is very good production.

against bottom feeder teams they are doing OK.

But who can carry a team, especially when Amare is on bench? And which one of those guys can match Amare's put-the-team-on-back for games on end? Cause that's what is needed to be elite.

I guess the next 25 games will answer all these questions.

Question: Aside from the bitches of South Beach and the old foggies in boston, whoelse has a 2nd dominant player in the league that can carry their team consistently?

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo really is not needed in this team anymore. Right now we have a bunch of really good role players as supporting cast for Amare. The offense does not run through Amare all the time but it does center around him. Gallo takes what the defense gives him because Amare commands everybodys attention. Team dynamics will falter with Melo as he is also an alpha dog. Right now we have an alpha and beta(Felton) dogs and a supporting cast that believe in themselves

to get to the next level though, another Knick besides Amare is going to have to step up production big time.

who does that?

I thought that is what Felton is doing right now. The duo of Gallo and Chandler has been tag teaming for the 3rd banana right now. One of them is always having a good scoring game or both of them would have at least 15 pts each. I think that is very good production.

against bottom feeder teams they are doing OK.

But who can carry a team, especially when Amare is on bench? And which one of those guys can match Amare's put-the-team-on-back for games on end? Cause that's what is needed to be elite.

I guess the next 25 games will answer all these questions.

Question: Aside from the bitches of South Beach and the old foggies in boston, whoelse has a 2nd dominant player in the league that can carry their team consistently?

Rose/Booz too.

And don't discount the Western teams, you gotta play them too. OKC, Mavs, LAL, Utah, Spurs, NO.

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo really is not needed in this team anymore. Right now we have a bunch of really good role players as supporting cast for Amare. The offense does not run through Amare all the time but it does center around him. Gallo takes what the defense gives him because Amare commands everybodys attention. Team dynamics will falter with Melo as he is also an alpha dog. Right now we have an alpha and beta(Felton) dogs and a supporting cast that believe in themselves

to get to the next level though, another Knick besides Amare is going to have to step up production big time.

who does that?

I thought that is what Felton is doing right now. The duo of Gallo and Chandler has been tag teaming for the 3rd banana right now. One of them is always having a good scoring game or both of them would have at least 15 pts each. I think that is very good production.

against bottom feeder teams they are doing OK.

But who can carry a team, especially when Amare is on bench? And which one of those guys can match Amare's put-the-team-on-back for games on end? Cause that's what is needed to be elite.

I guess the next 25 games will answer all these questions.

Question: Aside from the bitches of South Beach and the old foggies in boston, whoelse has a 2nd dominant player in the league that can carry their team consistently?

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:I‘ve seen him be so effective inside. And I’ve seen him stay away from that so much and prefer to play like a guard - you don’t shoot 43 % if you're using your inside game.

Marv, Im not the biggest Melo fan, but really, who does Denver have to space the floor that would allow Melo to use his inside game?

Billups sucks these days, Afflalo should donate his name to an insurance company or something. And then there is Nene and Sheldon freaking Williams. Those are the starters.

Defenses just need to pack it in.

i've seen him force the issue and get it done. hit the glass, be active moving around the post to create an opening for an entry pass. play a more overpowering game. and too often I’ve seen him eschew that to float around the perimeter and launch.