eViL wrote:

eViL wrote:folks, when i'm feeling down and upset, i turn to the tried and true emotional release of haiku. so should you. with that said, i share with you my new set of knicks haikus. they are helping me cope with this early season funk.

if the knicks don't win
d'antoni's seat gets hotter
please no mark jackson

can we shoot more threes
can sasha grey take twelve dudes
both parties are f^cked

sacramento kings
their record says they are weak
oh wait, so does ours

the knickerbockers
we might need a tougher name
or a tougher coach

i got on a negative bend there for a little while. i'll never let it happen again. LET'S FUCKING WIN THIS ONE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!

i singlehandedly won this game with my expertly crafted haikus. don't front.

Its gotta be the haikus!

NYKBocker wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JamaicanJetFan wrote:I dont understand how Gallo doesn't get more touches. Every single time Gallinari takes it to the hole, he draws a foul. Am I the only one that notices this?

I was saying the same thing to my sons. This team has a problem identifying the key players other than Amar'e. Amar'e, Gallo & Chan need to be taking the bulk of the shots and it seems even when Gallo is having a great game they sometimes forget about going to him. If he keeps playing like this tho that's gonna change. Gallo is slowly coming around. He's been having some good games lately.

Huh?

Gallo has been getting touches and launching 3's. He is very inconsistent. He was driving this game and in most of the other games he was just sitting out by the 3-point line. If he ever becomes a consistent player he will be trusted more by his teammates.

You know he cut his 3s the last 3-4 games right? He has gone to the line 8-9 times a game. He was in double digit FT attempt tonight.

  Date	Min	 	M	A	Pct	 	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	Pts
 Nov 16	35:48	 	6	19	31.6	 	2	10	20.0	7	8	87.5	3	7	10	3	1	0	1	4	21
 Nov 14	35:57	 	4	7	57.1	 	0	1	0.0	6	9	66.7	1	3	4	1	1	2	0	3	14
 Nov 12	40:54	 	6	17	35.3	 	4	11	36.4	9	9	100.0	2	2	4	0	1	0	0	4	25
 Nov 10	32:43	 	3	9	33.3	 	0	5	0.0	9	9	100.0	1	6	7	3	3	2	0	5	15

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Could someone explain to me why Toney was getting chewed out for feeding Stat the ball up court on the break? I still don't get that.

I do. There are times and places to get Amare the ball. When on a fast break you want the big guy to be 1 dribble and dunk away from the basket with a mostly clear path to the rim, especially a guy like Amare how constantly dribbles off his foot. Toney got him the ball waaaayyy before the 3point line with like 2 defenders right next to him. If TD holds the ball more (I can't remember exactly where he was on the court), one or more of the defenders comes to the ball and Amare may not even have to dribble the ball before getting to rim if he is passed to.

It was a half court pass. I thought it was the responsibility of the guy out front to break so that he gets a path. I know I have seen Hamilton just chew people out cause they all broke down the middle of the floor. instead of taking an out-in motion to give them time to manuever.

I suppose he should just hold the ball and walk it up then instead of running the break

Man come on! The PG has to know when to pass and to who he's passing it to. Amar'e is a great finisher, but you don't want him to have to dribble in traffic on a fastbreak. I really can't stand the amount of criticism that is launched at Mike when the guy KNOWS WHAT THE F HE'S TALKING ABOUT! GEEZ! Let the man coach his damn team. He's not the problem, out young players are. THey need to learn how to play the game the right way. How to think and that's all Mike is doing.

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Could someone explain to me why Toney was getting chewed out for feeding Stat the ball up court on the break? I still don't get that.

I do. There are times and places to get Amare the ball. When on a fast break you want the big guy to be 1 dribble and dunk away from the basket with a mostly clear path to the rim, especially a guy like Amare how constantly dribbles off his foot. Toney got him the ball waaaayyy before the 3point line with like 2 defenders right next to him. If TD holds the ball more (I can't remember exactly where he was on the court), one or more of the defenders comes to the ball and Amare may not even have to dribble the ball before getting to rim if he is passed to.

It was a half court pass. I thought it was the responsibility of the guy out front to break so that he gets a path. I know I have seen Hamilton just chew people out cause they all broke down the middle of the floor. instead of taking an out-in motion to give them time to manuever.

I suppose he should just hold the ball and walk it up then instead of running the break

quite frankly I dont remember where Tony was, but a half court pass to an Amare who is going full speed when he has defenders in front of him and when he is not within 1 gallop to the hoop is prob not a good idea. Tony to Felton or TD to Gallo or Chandler may be OK. Tony to Turiaf or Moz or Amare prob a bad idea.... and the play did end up with a TO which was predictable (I remember myself groaning when the pass left TD's hands).

TD gotta push the ball up the court as fast as he can in that situation. Not sure who else was ahead of the pack for the Knicks.

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Could someone explain to me why Toney was getting chewed out for feeding Stat the ball up court on the break? I still don't get that.

I do. There are times and places to get Amare the ball. When on a fast break you want the big guy to be 1 dribble and dunk away from the basket with a mostly clear path to the rim, especially a guy like Amare how constantly dribbles off his foot. Toney got him the ball waaaayyy before the 3point line with like 2 defenders right next to him. If TD holds the ball more (I can't remember exactly where he was on the court), one or more of the defenders comes to the ball and Amare may not even have to dribble the ball before getting to rim if he is passed to.

It was a half court pass. I thought it was the responsibility of the guy out front to break so that he gets a path. I know I have seen Hamilton just chew people out cause they all broke down the middle of the floor. instead of taking an out-in motion to give them time to manuever.

I suppose he should just hold the ball and walk it up then instead of running the break

quite frankly I dont remember where Tony was, but a half court pass to an Amare who is going full speed when he has defenders in front of him and when he is not within 1 gallop to the hoop is prob not a good idea. Tony to Felton or TD to Gallo or Chandler may be OK. Tony to Turiaf or Moz or Amare prob a bad idea.... and the play did end up with a TO which was predictable (I remember myself groaning when the pass left TD's hands).

TD gotta push the ball up the court as fast as he can in that situation. Not sure who else was ahead of the pack for the Knicks.

I'm no expert and not a coach just a fan that watches a lot of bball. and frankly the camera didn't show the whole floor so I can't say yea or no. But I'm sure Stat would be calling for the ball if he was out front.

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Could someone explain to me why Toney was getting chewed out for feeding Stat the ball up court on the break? I still don't get that.

I do. There are times and places to get Amare the ball. When on a fast break you want the big guy to be 1 dribble and dunk away from the basket with a mostly clear path to the rim, especially a guy like Amare how constantly dribbles off his foot. Toney got him the ball waaaayyy before the 3point line with like 2 defenders right next to him. If TD holds the ball more (I can't remember exactly where he was on the court), one or more of the defenders comes to the ball and Amare may not even have to dribble the ball before getting to rim if he is passed to.

It was a half court pass. I thought it was the responsibility of the guy out front to break so that he gets a path. I know I have seen Hamilton just chew people out cause they all broke down the middle of the floor. instead of taking an out-in motion to give them time to manuever.

I suppose he should just hold the ball and walk it up then instead of running the break

Man come on! The PG has to know when to pass and to who he's passing it to. Amar'e is a great finisher, but you don't want him to have to dribble in traffic on a fastbreak. I really can't stand the amount of criticism that is launched at Mike when the guy KNOWS WHAT THE F HE'S TALKING ABOUT! GEEZ! Let the man coach his damn team. He's not the problem, out young players are. THey need to learn how to play the game the right way. How to think and that's all Mike is doing.

NO you come on man Amar'e got the ball at the elbow and high it was a two step and a layup Stat went for the dunk and lost it. best I remeber and he threw the ball ahead to the big man running the floor.

The coach is trying to teach his PG how to make the right play. You have it wrong if you think it's a good idea to pass to a big going full speed, more than 2 steps from the basket, with guys around him. If the path is not open, just keep pushing the ball and draw a defender, THEN make the pass or give it to a smaller player that has more of a handle. Mike is fighting with this club trying to make the right decisions and they drill this fastbreak stuff relentlessly, so there's no excuse for a failure to execute and think your way thru the play. That's why Mike gets so mad.

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Could someone explain to me why Toney was getting chewed out for feeding Stat the ball up court on the break? I still don't get that.

I do. There are times and places to get Amare the ball. When on a fast break you want the big guy to be 1 dribble and dunk away from the basket with a mostly clear path to the rim, especially a guy like Amare how constantly dribbles off his foot. Toney got him the ball waaaayyy before the 3point line with like 2 defenders right next to him. If TD holds the ball more (I can't remember exactly where he was on the court), one or more of the defenders comes to the ball and Amare may not even have to dribble the ball before getting to rim if he is passed to.

It was a half court pass. I thought it was the responsibility of the guy out front to break so that he gets a path. I know I have seen Hamilton just chew people out cause they all broke down the middle of the floor. instead of taking an out-in motion to give them time to manuever.

I suppose he should just hold the ball and walk it up then instead of running the break

Man come on! The PG has to know when to pass and to who he's passing it to. Amar'e is a great finisher, but you don't want him to have to dribble in traffic on a fastbreak. I really can't stand the amount of criticism that is launched at Mike when the guy KNOWS WHAT THE F HE'S TALKING ABOUT! GEEZ! Let the man coach his damn team. He's not the problem, out young players are. THey need to learn how to play the game the right way. How to think and that's all Mike is doing.

NO you come on man Amar'e got the ball at the elbow and high it was a two step and a layup Stat went for the dunk and lost it. best I remeber and he threw the ball ahead to the big man running the floor.

The coach is trying to teach his PG how to make the right play. You have it wrong if you think it's a good idea to pass to a big going full speed, more than 2 steps from the basket, with guys around him. If the path is not open, just keep pushing the ball and draw a defender, THEN make the pass or give it to a smaller player that has more of a handle. Mike is fighting with this club trying to make the right decisions and they drill this fastbreak stuff relentlessly, so there's no excuse for a failure to execute and think your way thru the play. That's why Mike gets so mad.

If he had to put the ball on the floor it was the wrong play. Understand though you have your captain likely running the floor and calling for the ball so it is quite understandable to me.

only negative i can draw from this win is that AR got zero burn... hopefully he doesn't let this discourage him even more & get him into pouting mode... we need this kid to start showing some life on the court & raise his value.

Olbrannon wrote:Well how about let's look at it from this angle. Which is what really bothers me. It's an emotional game and people get upset when things don't go right. But instead of just picking on one guy let's even it out a little. Like when Amar'e fails to cut off the baseline like 4 plays in a row yell at him. I don't see him yell at Felton like that either. There was certainly oppurtunity enough for the occasion.

But frankly I used to do this myself. Practice some self control and teach without screaming at your players who are leaving it all on the floor. You expect them to be professionals and control their emotional outburst. How about setting an example. Frankly most people come to blows when somebody is screaming at them.

And enjoy the victory. It was a long time coming. To steal the joy from the moment is wrong. But the way he stalked into the dressing room ...

Amare was in foul trouble if I remember correctly...Last few games he has been in foul trouble trying to do too much...Good he lays back so he can be there in the end of the game and yeah Douglas gave him the ball way too early...You are wrong on this one...But Mike seem to go over board yelling at the kid...Seeems like he needs a whipping boy every year...

I agree with what some have said though - this is not a three point shooting team. The fact that they went 6-15 from 3pt is probably what they should aim for most nights. You create spacing by ball movement and penetration and moving without the ball. Shooting from outside is not the only way to create spacing. Seems like they did a good job of it last night.

Wilson and Gallo are very good weapons from mid-range and closer. I hope Gallo keeps attacking the rim and getting foul shots. He should shoot ten FTs a night, easy.