Childs2Dudley wrote:I wasn't impressed with this performance but happy to get a win.

All in all a pretty exciting game and a very satisfying early season victory. We had some foolish turnovers, but showed enough toughness to survive. Felton and Douglas, except for some of the turnovers, looked pretty good on offense. Douglas really looked comfortable taking over the game at times on the offense, and so far Felton has been a better shooter than I expected him to be.

Turiaf also looks like a gamer.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Is it wrong to think I understand basketball more than some people who are jumping for joy at this victory while I'm not?

Mike's offense is not really being run to perfection. We still don't now how to run the PnR. Our PG's are not threatening enough on the PnR to force the D to react. So what they're doing is basically not committing and staying in the passing lane.

As a PG you must force the D to COMMIT to trying to stop you in order for the PnR to work. That means they have to be a valid threat to score on the PnR. You can't fake it. The reason why Nash is so successful is that he is a threat to score and teams know it. We need for Felton/TD to look to penetrate all the while watching for the opening to slip Amar'e the ball. They aren't doing that.

Still we took open shots and made them. That's also part of BB and so if the other team doesn't close out on your shooters and that's what this team practices every day, then teams will get burned, cuz we have some guys that can hit open shots.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Is it wrong to think I understand basketball more than some people who are jumping for joy at this victory while I'm not?

nah dude. it's because you're die-hard.

bishop wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Is it wrong to think I understand basketball more than some people who are jumping for joy at this victory while I'm not?

Not at all. As far as victories go, this was a terrible win. They got bailed out by an extraordinary amount of 3s going down. No way that keeps up the rest of the season. This team cannot win consistently by only playing good basketball for one half. The second half was horrible. Also Amare was terrible again. Felton needs to find a way to set him up closer to the basket or else it'll be a long season. Amare stagnated the offense and looked like Harrington out there.

Thing is that you're ignoring the many good things we did to build the lead. One thing is that we defended well at times and this led to TO's and some good early offense when their D wasn't set.

You also failed to mention how we got on the offensive boards, Blocked shots, got Steals and had 27 asts. That along with the stellar shooting really helped.

As for Amar'e, notice that they went crazy trying to deny him in the paint, but that left us open on the perimeter, which they failed to defend, so his presence still had a good effect. He just has to learn not to force it.

knicks1248 wrote:

eViL wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Is it wrong to think I understand basketball more than some people who are jumping for joy at this victory while I'm not?

nah dude. it's because you're die-hard.

It's funny, because some will take a defeat, and be encourage by some positve things they saw (which never matters in a lost)but in a win, your not impress. I like what i saw, those 3's weren't even bad shots, most of them were wide open. Thats the style we play like it or not.

not to mention, we played great defense again. blocked 6 shots. got 11 steals. forced 20 turnovers. and we won on the road against a conference rival. we overcame a brutal game by our top guy. we saw the resurgence of Gallo. we saw Toney Douglas go off. we got a win. i think some people might not feel good about the game because it got a little too close at the end, but that's NBA ball, it's hard to hold a good team down all game long. in reality, they never got closer than 8 late. big whoop.

gettin mad because we hit a lot of shots in a big game on the road against a division rival? that's a first. haha.

firefly wrote:

TMS wrote:D'Antoni basketball is shooting 70% from 3 pt range? Wow, who knew?

Like I said earlier I really think you can connect Amares bad shooting and TO's to our great outside shooting. The Bulls sagged massively inside not expecting us to have another weapon. Well, we do have another weapon. And it say Baaad Muthaplukka on it.

Tell the world. Leave the Knicks free on the outside and most of the time we will make you pay. Run out on D, and Amare will make you regret that too.

This is exactly what we dreamed of with Amare the inside threat and Gallo et al lighting it up from outside. Spacing baby, spacing. And we did it real well tonight.

the sad truth is that if we hadn't shot an obscene 70% from beyond the arc, we probably lose this game... the Bulls were playing Amare tight inside & he was struggling w/his post game bigtime, forcing up shots left & right & turning the ball over... i'll take a W any way i can get it, but you'd be a fool to expect this team to shoot like that on a nightly basis... to even suggest that this is how MDA envisioned this team playing is foolishness... you don't expect your team to shoot the lights out from beyond the arc on a nightly basis... if we're to expect to have any kind of longterm success, we NEED to establish the inside game... Ray Felton & Amare need to get on the same page & start executing the P&R a lot better... can't rely on Tony Douglas to shoot the lights out like he did tonight, or for Gallo to have that kind of 1st half... we need to establish our bread & butter, which is the pick & roll game.

masud wrote:We shot 9 three's in the first half and scored 70 points. We did more than just shoot well tonight.

i didn't say all we did was shoot 3's well tonight... but down the stretch when the Bulls were making their run, the only way we kept ahead was by knocking down 3's... those shots are not going to fall on a nightly basis... a win is a win & no one's complaining that we won tonight, but you have to temper your excitement... this team isn't going to shoot like that on most nights.

TMS wrote:

firefly wrote:

TMS wrote:D'Antoni basketball is shooting 70% from 3 pt range? Wow, who knew?

Like I said earlier I really think you can connect Amares bad shooting and TO's to our great outside shooting. The Bulls sagged massively inside not expecting us to have another weapon. Well, we do have another weapon. And it say Baaad Muthaplukka on it.

Tell the world. Leave the Knicks free on the outside and most of the time we will make you pay. Run out on D, and Amare will make you regret that too.

This is exactly what we dreamed of with Amare the inside threat and Gallo et al lighting it up from outside. Spacing baby, spacing. And we did it real well tonight.

the sad truth is that if we hadn't shot an obscene 70% from beyond the arc, we probably lose this game... the Bulls were playing Amare tight inside & he was struggling w/his post game bigtime, forcing up shots left & right & turning the ball over... i'll take a W any way i can get it, but you'd be a fool to expect this team to shoot like that on a nightly basis... to even suggest that this is how MDA envisioned this team playing is foolishness... you don't expect your team to shoot the lights out from beyond the arc on a nightly basis... if we're to expect to have any kind of longterm success, we NEED to establish the inside game... Ray Felton & Amare need to get on the same page & start executing the P&R a lot better... can't rely on Tony Douglas to shoot the lights out like he did tonight, or for Gallo to have that kind of 1st half... we need to establish our bread & butter, which is the pick & roll game.

The reason the Bulls gave up so many great looks that we took advantage of is cuz they were scared to let Amar'e get off. These are NBA players and if you're just gonna let us shoot 3's with very little pressure, these guys are gonna make a lot of them. You're mistaken if you think this team can't hit a good % of wide open shots. That's what this team practices doing. A D'Antoni team will kill you with 3's cuz he has the players shooting without a conscience. They're confident shooting 3's in volume. It's a mistake on the Bulls part to think they could just let us fire away.

Now of course there is an inside component to Mike's offense, but the Bulls and other teams have been overplaying that part of our offense, which is why we have to make them pay and convince teams to play us honest on the perimeter or face getting killed like the Bulls did.