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Moonangie
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1/29/2010  11:20 AM
Lee's line for last night's game looks like a huge FU for him being snubbed for the all-star game. I mean 29 pts, 19 rebounds, a few assists. Damn, son. That's some big time action there. And against Bosh no less.
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1/29/2010  11:24 AM
Paladin55 wrote:That was not the primary play they were looking to execute- anyone looking at the video can see that. Gallinari was looking to pass it somewhere else, but nobody was free. It almost seemed that he did NOT want it to go to Harrington at any cost, because he continued to hold the ball, even after Harrington was cleanly free, and only passed it to him when he realized he was going to get hit with the 5 second count.

thanks for the clarification - i was going by what i saw at the game.

but where was that pass supposed to go? was it supposed to be inbounded directly into the post? usually on an inbounds play, it goes up top and then it starts from there. to me, it looked like only al came out up top.

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1/29/2010  11:32 AM
I'm not sure what the primary play was, but Nate was trying to get free. Problem is that he started to move very late, and didn't get anywhere close to being an option for a pass. Clyde was yelling "Move!" as it seemed no one...and I mean no one other than Al made an attempt to do anything for the first 3 seconds.
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1/29/2010  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2010  11:36 AM
djsunyc wrote:
PresIke wrote:honestly, i've about had it with nate, too.

when you see nate hanging on the rim, harrington popping his collar and lee looking at the crowd after a dunk...all while the game is still in the balance...maybe the team needs more of a disciplinarian for a coach.

i dunno...being benched for several games in a row, as a result of similar antics sounds pretty disciplinarian to me.

what else do you want a coach to do? nate is an adult, a young one at that, but still an adult.

tough love is not just about being tough, it's a two word phrase.

regardless...

i think nate is going to be who he is. it just depends on whether a team can afford to rely on someone like him as much as we do.

we can't afford that, yet given our roster right now, we do. that's what i see as the issue.

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1/29/2010  11:41 AM
DJ I love Bosh but you can't get near him or they call a foul. When he spun into the lane out of control and fell and Lee didnt touch him they blew the whistle. Lee drives to the basket early and Bosh rides him the whole time. Bosh is a superstar offensively but he is very average defensively
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1/29/2010  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2010  11:56 AM
King1 wrote:DJ I love Bosh but you can't get near him or they call a foul. When he spun into the lane out of control and fell and Lee didnt touch him they blew the whistle. Lee drives to the basket early and Bosh rides him the whole time. Bosh is a superstar offensively but he is very average defensively

i agree.

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1/29/2010  11:57 AM
PresIke wrote:i dunno...being benched for several games in a row, as a result of similar antics sounds pretty disciplinarian to me.

what else do you want a coach to do? nate is an adult, a young one at that, but still an adult.

tough love is not just about being tough, it's a two word phrase.

regardless...

i think nate is going to be who he is. it just depends on whether a team can afford to rely on someone like him as much as we do.

we can't afford that, yet given our roster right now, we do. that's what i see as the issue.

then bench nate permanently. but the precedent was sent when he looked the other way those times harrington hung on the rim last year.

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1/29/2010  12:09 PM
Andrew wrote:I'm not sure what the primary play was, but Nate was trying to get free. Problem is that he started to move very late, and didn't get anywhere close to being an option for a pass. Clyde was yelling "Move!" as it seemed no one...and I mean no one other than Al made an attempt to do anything for the first 3 seconds.

That is what I saw, also. I think at some point later on the announcers made a comment about someone(Jack, I think) doing a good job on keeping Nate from getting free.

I remember Clyde yelling out "move," also, and thought we might get hit with a 5 second call.

In retrospect, Gallo had to get it to Harrington when he was clear in the beginning, but it was obvious that he was the safety valve for that play, and Gallo was looking elsewhere.

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1/29/2010  12:12 PM
djsunyc wrote:
King1 wrote:DJ I love Bosh but you can't get near him or they call a foul. When he spun into the lane out of control and fell and Lee didnt touch him they blew the whistle. Lee drives to the basket early and Bosh rides him the whole time. Bosh is a superstar offensively but he is very average defensively

i agree.

That call on Lee was bad, but I thought the refs were letting both of them go at it pretty hard for most of the game. Lee got some good elbows blows into Bosh's back, if I remember correctly.

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1/29/2010  12:32 PM
djsunyc wrote:
PresIke wrote:i dunno...being benched for several games in a row, as a result of similar antics sounds pretty disciplinarian to me.

what else do you want a coach to do? nate is an adult, a young one at that, but still an adult.

tough love is not just about being tough, it's a two word phrase.

regardless...

i think nate is going to be who he is. it just depends on whether a team can afford to rely on someone like him as much as we do.

we can't afford that, yet given our roster right now, we do. that's what i see as the issue.

then bench nate permanently. but the precedent was sent when he looked the other way those times harrington hung on the rim last year.

i can't say i agree with the suggestion that mda "looked the other way"

mda was very mad at the end of that game.

al made those mistakes, but he was also doing more help than hurt, compared to nate.

nate makes more mistakes than al, and that's hard to argue against, i think.

coaching is never about what a player does once or twice. all decisions have to be made in context of a given time and situation.

dj, the problem is the knicks are dependent on nate, also have a lot of question marks about the roster going into next year, which has to be taken into account about deciscions mda makes.

marbury and hughes sit more because the mda/walsh don't believe there is much chance they are in the knicks future.

with nate, the possibility still exists, hence a reason why he still plays.

with that as a reality, any good teacher gives their workers chances if they show improvement, willingness to learn, and you are in need of said person's services in the immediate and perhaps team's future.

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1/29/2010  12:33 PM
in other words, the knicks care about winning, sure, but they are also developing and exploring who they want here after the season ends, or at least what their worth will be to the team.
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1/29/2010  2:08 PM
Andrew wrote:I'm not sure what the primary play was, but Nate was trying to get free. Problem is that he started to move very late, and didn't get anywhere close to being an option for a pass. Clyde was yelling "Move!" as it seemed no one...and I mean no one other than Al made an attempt to do anything for the first 3 seconds.

Per MDA, the play was for Nate who couldn't get free. Gallo was trying to wait on Nate to get over. Al was the decoy but the Raptors weren't buying it. I believe Lee and Chandler were suppose to set screens for Nate whichever way he rolls per MDA but Nate couldn't get to them. Per coach no one was to blame for the last play since it broke down. I am more amaze that no other plays were discussed in the timeout as secondary or third options. Normally you see a pass back to the inbounder as a 2nd or 3rd option.

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1/29/2010  2:45 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
Andrew wrote:I'm not sure what the primary play was, but Nate was trying to get free. Problem is that he started to move very late, and didn't get anywhere close to being an option for a pass. Clyde was yelling "Move!" as it seemed no one...and I mean no one other than Al made an attempt to do anything for the first 3 seconds.

Per MDA, the play was for Nate who couldn't get free. Gallo was trying to wait on Nate to get over. Al was the decoy but the Raptors weren't buying it. I believe Lee and Chandler were suppose to set screens for Nate whichever way he rolls per MDA but Nate couldn't get to them. Per coach no one was to blame for the last play since it broke down. I am more amaze that no other plays were discussed in the timeout as secondary or third options. Normally you see a pass back to the inbounder as a 2nd or 3rd option.

What should be to blame is the fact that we never go for the win. We always look to tie. And we always fail. Miserably.

We always go for the two. Even when down three! Yet we chuck 30 threes a game. Except for when the game is on the line. Then we play this silly little game of chess. It makes no sense.

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1/29/2010  3:02 PM
Cosmic wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
Andrew wrote:I'm not sure what the primary play was, but Nate was trying to get free. Problem is that he started to move very late, and didn't get anywhere close to being an option for a pass. Clyde was yelling "Move!" as it seemed no one...and I mean no one other than Al made an attempt to do anything for the first 3 seconds.

Per MDA, the play was for Nate who couldn't get free. Gallo was trying to wait on Nate to get over. Al was the decoy but the Raptors weren't buying it. I believe Lee and Chandler were suppose to set screens for Nate whichever way he rolls per MDA but Nate couldn't get to them. Per coach no one was to blame for the last play since it broke down. I am more amaze that no other plays were discussed in the timeout as secondary or third options. Normally you see a pass back to the inbounder as a 2nd or 3rd option.

What should be to blame is the fact that we never go for the win. We always look to tie. And we always fail. Miserably.

We always go for the two. Even when down three! Yet we chuck 30 threes a game. Except for when the game is on the line. Then we play this silly little game of chess. It makes no sense.

FYI, conventional wisdom... not saying i agree... conventional wisdom is go for the win on the road, go for OT at home.

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1/29/2010  3:06 PM
djsunyc wrote:
PresIke wrote:honestly, i've about had it with nate, too.

when you see nate hanging on the rim, harrington popping his collar and lee looking at the crowd after a dunk...all while the game is still in the balance...maybe the team needs more of a disciplinarian for a coach.

perhaps a 14 game benching for all 3 is in order.

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1/29/2010  4:13 PM
TMS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
PresIke wrote:honestly, i've about had it with nate, too.

when you see nate hanging on the rim, harrington popping his collar and lee looking at the crowd after a dunk...all while the game is still in the balance...maybe the team needs more of a disciplinarian for a coach.

perhaps a 14 game benching for all 3 is in order.

Wait until you get Lebron you can see one person do all three motions in one game and lose but it will be acceptable because he is Lebron.

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1/29/2010  5:02 PM
Not likely. LeBron comes to NY and he needs to win. Nobody will give him a free pass for long. He's winning with a crap cast in CLE so he damn well better come here and win with our crap cast. Especially if we give him a sidekick.

Knicks fans are tired of losing. We land LeBron we damn sure better be looking at the playoffs at the least.

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1/29/2010  5:12 PM
Cosmic wrote:Not likely. LeBron comes to NY and he needs to win. Nobody will give him a free pass for long. He's winning with a crap cast in CLE so he damn well better come here and win with our crap cast. Especially if we give him a sidekick.

Knicks fans are tired of losing. We land LeBron we damn sure better be looking at the playoffs at the least.

i think once Lebron comes to NY (if he does come that is), MDA officially loses the Alpha Dog status.

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1/29/2010  6:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2010  7:00 PM
djsunyc wrote:
PresIke wrote:honestly, i've about had it with nate, too.

when you see nate hanging on the rim, harrington popping his collar and lee looking at the crowd after a dunk...all while the game is still in the balance...maybe the team needs more of a disciplinarian for a coach.

They had one and he's turning the bobcats around as we speak the way he wants things done.

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