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The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The Knicks dump the Celts. Now you've seen it all.
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BasketballJones
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11/22/2009  4:26 PM
s3231 wrote:Actually hold on, we are all blaming the wrong person here.

How about it was Eddy Curry's fault? The guy only drew a flagrant when we were up 3 and killed all our momentum....

Plenty of blame to go around. The truth is, the guys played better than most of us expected, but were unable to pull out a win. They needed to be perfect to beat the Celtics. 98% of us had this as a loss in GamePicker.

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11/22/2009  4:26 PM
Harrington was guarding the man in the corner....if David lee was guarding KG, Pierce could have hit the corner man if Harrington came out to help on KG....

So....no matter how you wanna save face for the golden boy...this is david lee's fault....**** if he had 50pts and 100rebounds.

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11/22/2009  4:26 PM
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s3231 wrote:I understand that Lee is partly at fault for that last play. But with 2 seconds left, I don't see how Harrington doesn't step up to cover...

Lee definitely overplayed to help out (and he shouldn't have done this), but I would have liked to see Al step up sooner than later.

No disrespect, but Garnett had the ball for a second and a half and Harrington was on the low block watching the corner 3. How fast was he supposed to get up on him?

IMO, he would have been faster to do that if he expected to do it. There is absolutely no reason for Lee to overplay to that extent. He looked like he was 15 feet from Garnett.

Lol, if I'm Harrington, I start running as soon as I see the ball being thrown to Garnett, that could just be me though.

I think you have to keep in mind how many seconds are on the clock at that point and once you see Pierce pass it off, you got to help out.

I'm not saying I blame Harrington entirely, but I definitely think he could have gotten out there sooner.

I can see your point but that is kinda like saying it's your fault I punched you in the face because you let me, isn't it? IMO, It was ultimately Lee's responsibility to stay on Garnett. Garnett has range out to the 3 line. No way do you leave Garnett wide open to double cover Pierce. And no way do I leave House in the corner open off a rotation.

I agree that Lee overplayed and that is why I blame both him and Harrington for what happened. I blame Lee for letting it get to that point but I also expect his teammates to help cover up in that situation.

Either way, I think Curry was most responsible for this loss. So lets blame him instead.

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11/22/2009  4:27 PM
The real disappointment today is Scrobot. Where the **** was he?
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11/22/2009  4:27 PM
kam77 wrote:Wilson Chandler was 5 for 13 with 4 TOs. Gallo should have played more.

I would not care if we traded Chandler to move one of our toxic contracts.

Include Chandler with Curry and Mobley for TMAC.

thank you....you are watching the same game I was

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11/22/2009  4:29 PM
s3231 wrote:Actually hold on, we are all blaming the wrong person here.

How about it was Eddy Curry's fault? The guy only drew a flagrant when we were up 3 and killed all our momentum....

Not to mention, Hughes was terrible today offensively. He took some really stupid shots per usual.

you gonna blame Eddy for a play that happened with 7 minutes in the fourth in a game that went to overtime???? Hughes had an outstanding game I dunno what game you were watching today.

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11/22/2009  4:29 PM
EnySpree wrote:Harrington was guarding the man in the corner....if David lee was guarding KG, Pierce could have hit the corner man if Harrington came out to help on KG....

So....no matter how you wanna save face for the golden boy...this is david lee's fault....**** if he had 50pts and 100rebounds.

Well no one is saying Harrington should step out on KG if Lee is on him. I do think Harrington should have started running earlier towards Garnett once the ball was clearly going to him and he was by himself.

I'm sorry, but if I see Kevin Garnett by himself, I run and cover him and can live with Eddie House beating me. But leaving Kevin Garnett wide open is retarded.

And the golden boy had 22 points on 7 for 12 shooting. He kept us in the game and was huge for us. You want to blame guys for this loss, blame Hughes (2 for 11 and some awful decision making) and Curry for his flagrant when we are up 3 with 5 minutes left.

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11/22/2009  4:30 PM
tough loss..

we let that gimp garnett get open for that shot.. guy has been bricking all day..

duhon played 46 minutes.. why?

nice game by big Al..

Gallo played a solid game, too bad mike didn't go offense/ defense with he and wilson.. really.. why not?

great game for lee and nate offensively..

we played well, moved the ball, passed the ball and defended...

tough, tough loss...

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11/22/2009  4:31 PM
Look Im not a Harrington fan but we had a foul to give ( which wanst his fault) that shot falls on lee all the way. We all know he cant play d and his bball iq aint there.Lee shoulda came over the pick,its wasnt a hardpick so he shoulda stayed with kg. And this falls on MDA too because why wasnt Curry in there after the tech?? MDA holds grudges and thats just plain wrong!! The celtics couldnt handle curry aand after the tech he didnt play.Im questioning MDA more and more.
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11/22/2009  4:31 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:
s3231 wrote:
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s3231 wrote:Harrington should have stepped out on the last play. Why the hell are you staying down low when there isn't even time for a rebound?

By the way, we didn't sign Iverson because Walsh wants our young guys to develop....anyone want to check to see how many minutes Douglas and Gallo played?

Cant really fault them with going with their vets today, this game was kinda important, dont worry by January both of those players will be starting and hill should/will be the first player off the bench.

It isn't just today though, Douglas didn't play much against the Nets either if I remember correctly.

I have no problem with trying to win games, which is exactly why I think we should have gotten Iverson. It just pisses me off that we don't play the young guys and try to win with inferior talent.

if they passed on Iverson saying the reason was so they could develop the youth, then at least play the youth & be consistent with that... it wouldn't be so frustrating if they at least practiced what they preached.

Exactly.

Pick a direction and stick with it. If you want to develop your youth, then play the young guys, who are probably talented enough to win the same amount of games we are winning right now either way.

If you want to play vets, then it would have made a lot more sense to bring in Iverson and give ourselves a better shot at being competitive.

Don't fall for Donnnie's BS. Iverson has served his purpose: The threat of signing him has inspired the players to play closer to their potential. They won two games and were quite competitive, and almost stole this one from a better team.

believe me, i know that whole explanation of his was BS from the very beginning... still doesn't make it any less frustrating.

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11/22/2009  4:32 PM
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s3231 wrote:Actually hold on, we are all blaming the wrong person here.

How about it was Eddy Curry's fault? The guy only drew a flagrant when we were up 3 and killed all our momentum....

Not to mention, Hughes was terrible today offensively. He took some really stupid shots per usual.

you gonna blame Eddy for a play that happened with 7 minutes in the fourth in a game that went to overtime???? Hughes had an outstanding game I dunno what game you were watching today.

That flagrant happened with 5 minutes left bro and we were up 3 at the time and had control of the game. I don't think it goes to overtime if not for that stupid play.

Hughes was not outstanding, he took several wild shots that made no sense and shot 2 for 11 from the field. Yes, he played some good defense, but overall, he didn't have a good game at all. Duhon played like **** too but that has come to be expected at this point...

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11/22/2009  4:33 PM
kam77 wrote:Wilson Chandler was 5 for 13 with 4 TOs. Gallo should have played more.

I would not care if we traded Chandler to move one of our toxic contracts.

Include Chandler with Curry and Mobley for TMAC.

I said, why not go offense/ defense with chandler and gallo? gallo spreads the floor.. wilson at times can be a horrible decision maker..

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11/22/2009  4:34 PM
man i'm sorry i missed this game. on the other hand if i had seen it i suppose i'd be pissing on an awful lot of cheerios right about now.
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11/22/2009  4:35 PM
By the way, lets limit Gallo to under 30 minutes again even though he had 10 points and shot 50% from the field. Not to mention, we were a +3 when he was on the floor...

Thank god we didn't get Iverson and decided to play the young guys instead...

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11/22/2009  4:36 PM
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EnySpree wrote:Harrington was guarding the man in the corner....if David lee was guarding KG, Pierce could have hit the corner man if Harrington came out to help on KG....

So....no matter how you wanna save face for the golden boy...this is david lee's fault....**** if he had 50pts and 100rebounds.

Well no one is saying Harrington should step out on KG if Lee is on him. I do think Harrington should have started running earlier towards Garnett once the ball was clearly going to him and he was by himself.

I'm sorry, but if I see Kevin Garnett by himself, I run and cover him and can live with Eddie House beating me. But leaving Kevin Garnett wide open is retarded.

And the golden boy had 22 points on 7 for 12 shooting. He kept us in the game and was huge for us. You want to blame guys for this loss, blame Hughes (2 for 11 and some awful decision making) and Curry for his flagrant when we are up 3 with 5 minutes left.

if David was covering KG then Harrington is doing his job....Harrington did run out but he had to run from an area that he had locked down....anyway you wanna spin it....this is davids fault.....

Eddy Curry excepts blame for the loss......respect.

David Lee deflected the play back to what he thought Pierce would do....fail!!!!

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11/22/2009  4:39 PM
EnySpree wrote:
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EnySpree wrote:Harrington was guarding the man in the corner....if David lee was guarding KG, Pierce could have hit the corner man if Harrington came out to help on KG....

So....no matter how you wanna save face for the golden boy...this is david lee's fault....**** if he had 50pts and 100rebounds.

Well no one is saying Harrington should step out on KG if Lee is on him. I do think Harrington should have started running earlier towards Garnett once the ball was clearly going to him and he was by himself.

I'm sorry, but if I see Kevin Garnett by himself, I run and cover him and can live with Eddie House beating me. But leaving Kevin Garnett wide open is retarded.

And the golden boy had 22 points on 7 for 12 shooting. He kept us in the game and was huge for us. You want to blame guys for this loss, blame Hughes (2 for 11 and some awful decision making) and Curry for his flagrant when we are up 3 with 5 minutes left.

if David was covering KG then Harrington is doing his job....Harrington did run out but he had to run from an area that he had locked down....anyway you wanna spin it....this is davids fault.....

Eddy Curry excepts blame for the loss......respect.

David Lee deflected the play back to what he thought Pierce would do....fail!!!!

Eny, looks like we just disagree on this one. I do blame Lee, but I also expect his teammates to help out and not leave one of the best big men to ever play the game wide open.

I think both of them are at fault for that.

I mean honestly though, we shouldn't be blaming Lee or Harrington because both of them had solid games. Unfortunately, we were left with that awful last possession and that is why we keep talking about it.

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11/22/2009  4:43 PM
s3231 wrote:By the way, lets limit Gallo to under 30 minutes again even though he had 10 points and shot 50% from the field. Not to mention, we were a +3 when he was on the floor...

Thank god we didn't get Iverson and decided to play the young guys instead...

we gotta make sure we develop Duhon, Harrington, Lee & Hughes for the future

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11/22/2009  4:45 PM
eny i agree this falls on lee and anyone thats doesnt agree doesnt know basketball
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11/22/2009  4:46 PM
s3231 you dont know what your talking about
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11/22/2009  4:48 PM
s3231 wrote:By the way, lets limit Gallo to under 30 minutes again even though he had 10 points and shot 50% from the field. Not to mention, we were a +3 when he was on the floor...

Don't you think Danphoney would have him in the game at crunch time if he thought he was ready?

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