wake me up when 2010 rolls around... someone wake Donnie up too.

martin wrote:by all accounts Jennings matured during his time in Europe... that's what I have been reading, even if he did have a not so good playing time statistically. Wonder if he had stayed and played in the NCAA if his scouting and marketability and exposure would have gone UP.

this is pretty much the argument i was attempting to make for him before the draft.

1) matured as a result of his experience living and playing in europe, at his age, contrary to his superstar treatment as a high school baller.
2) would have been picked higher had he played in NCAA's because he likely would have had huge numbers

djsunyc wrote:25 and 7 through 3 quarters for jennings tonight - the guy is becoming must see tv...

oh, and they're up 18 vs. the bobcats...

no redd, no bogut

tkf wrote:Really you keep pwning yourself.. someone who signiatures every one his silly post could never own me.... really.

Now that is pretty funny coming from a guy who quotes himself in his signature, incidentally, that quote is probably the wackest quote in the history of internet posts.

Lessee: "Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser"............... TKF"

How many times have you contradicted your own lame signature?

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Anyway, back to business, as I write this, Jennings is currently leading a Bucks team decimated by injury in what is likely to be a win over the Bobcats - without Bogut or Redd.

Meanwhile, Jordan hill got 3 minutes of time in the last game vs. the Pacers and posted 0's across the board. But according to you it is too early to say the Knicks fukced up on that pick.

Here is your bewildering explanation:

If you think Hill not playing is because he is less talented than the guys ahead of him, just shows how dense you really are. That is not in hill's control, unless you are telling me that Dantoni's rotations are great, then hill being benched should be called into question and not becuase he isn't deserving.. but right now I am sure you will defend Dantoni's rotation and jeffries as a good player just so you can try to prove your point.. LOL.

Yeah, I'm sure in practice Hill is tearing it up against the other power forwards on the team and D'Antoni is benching him for no reason?! Right? He is deserving of the playing time and D'Antoni is too stupid to recognize? Is that your current argument?

Another amusing thing is you try to formulate some unintelligent argument and hand it to me as if I wrote it. That is known as a "straw-man".

Try a little harder fella, would you? Sometimes I can't tell if you are joking or if you just enjoy embarrassing yourself..which is it?

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Now we can end this silly discussion if you will just admit the obvious: Hill was a stupid pick regardless of Jennings, and if the Knicks had just picked a PG which was their position of greatest need, then they would have had a budding superstar fall into their lap.

Or I guess you can keep making ridiculous arguments to defend picking a 4th power forward who is not even ready to play on the worst team in the league, and additionally keep creating straw-man arguments for me because you cannot possibly refute the incredibly concrete points I have made over and over again.

For some reason I think you will choose the latter.

Your friend,

oohah

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

TMS wrote:that's exactly what i wanted to hear today... Jennings & AI... coulda had both, but we have neither.

wake me up when 2010 rolls around... someone wake Donnie up too.

Damn bro, you are sounding more bitter towards Donnie than Silverfuel at an Allan Houston Fan Club Convention.

u know i was willing to give Donnie the benefit of the doubt on passing on Jennings cuz of the risk involved in using a #8 lottery pick & taking a kid w/possible maturity issues & all that... even tho he obviously messed up in not taking him, i can see the concern cuz it's a longterm investment you're making in the kid, & you have to be sure you're getting someone who won't be a problem later on... i actually was very high on Jennings & Derozan & wanted us to take either 1 of those kids before last season but then after those Rubio comments i started to be concerned myself about Jennings' maturity level... so fine, we whiffed on not taking him... it sucks but it is what it is.

i can't see any reason why we would pass up on signing AI tho, it was a purely short term quick fix move to make that would have cost us next to nothing w/very minimal risk... w/the way the season was playing out it was a no brainer move to make... plus i'm a pretty big fan of AI, so yeah, i'm pretty disappointed we didn't get this done, but i also pretty much expected this would happen, so it's no surprise.

like i said, i just hope Donnie's got something big up his sleeve forthcoming in the next few months, cuz i seriously can't take another year of this futility.

You know, I have absolutely no feeling as to whether to sign Iverson or not for one reason. It doesn't matter. We sign Iverson he gets us a 10 more win net or whatever, and great. The Jazz get the 8 pick instead of the 4 or 5 pick. To me Iverson doesn't make the Knicks any more interesting to watch than presently constituted. Why? To me he is another 1 year rental I wouldn't try to invest in on this team.

As for the side that says AI would tutor the kids or show them how to play with heart. I don't buy it. AI on this team is playing for another contract just like everyone else. As with our youth, TD already shows heart. Chandler may not have the heart regardless, and even if he does he doesn't seem to have the desire to reach his full potential. Hill just never plays so I don't know where to go with him other than with AI's idea of offense at least Hill will get to practice defense a lot. When it comes to Gallo we are in what can be considered his rookie season. I am giving Gallo til Feb, before I really start judging him, unless he is fall of the face of the planet quiet like against Indy, consistently. Gallo already has heart(he's shown flashes), leadership(AI just may have compromised that if he came here-kinda like how Mayo squashed Gay in Memphis) so I just think it is his physical stuff that needs to get straitened out or we have another Brad Lohaus.

I was infinitely more interested in the self started Monta Ellis rumor. Ellis is showing signs of being a leader-when not submarined by Nellie, I think it he would fit better, he would have been a much more solid long term investment and actually worth his contract, and he could have grown with the core we have.

I said before I think the 2 max FA's next year is a little flawed. Just to afford them we would have to trade both Jefferies and Curry and go with some guys at very low money.

I outlined my ideal plan in the Monta Ellis is being shopped thread....

Wallace is injury prone, Okafor doesn't fit this system, so I agree. I think Monta is tailor made for it, honestly. I agree it would be best to drop Curry, but if you can move a combo of Jefferies/Wilson/Duhon(Will and JJ2 count $9 mil towards the cap next year). You take on Ellis ($11 mil even over the life of his contract) you are only adding $2 mil worth of salary in 2010, giving us $29 mil on salary in 2010.

Maybe it's just me but I really underrate getting rid JJ2 because IMHO, getting 2 max contracts is only a real possibility to us is if we dump Curry.

If you get rid off JJ2, by current estimates ($50-$53 mil) we would have $21 mil on salary (counting Will). That is only $30 mil. A Max is $20 mil right? You need to get rid of both Jefferies and Curry to bring us to the point of realistically signing two max contract guys. That would bring us down to $10 mil, with $40-$43 mil to spare.

You sign 2 max contract guys you would have $50 mil in FA1, FA2, Will, Gallo, Toney, and Hill. You could conceivably resign Nate and Lee (cost will probably be around $13-$16 mil combined-IF they are not signed in the couple months after we have to renounce them). Say you resign both at $14. Now you have a payroll of 64 mil in payroll. No flexibility and you have to hope Will, Hill, and Toney can pan out otherwise you are stuck signing MLE talent for about 6 years.

Give me Monta, our youth and the chance to sign just one of LeBron/Wade/Amare(who isn't a max contract guy-I think he is $15-$17)/Bosh whoever.

If it was me, I trade Will, JJ2, and Duhon for Monta and Fisher(waive) OR Brandon Wright OR Randolph (unlikely, imo). Try and swing a deal of Curry and Hughes + $3mil for Mcgrady and Lowery(let both walk or resign Lowery cheap later).

Go after Lebron and Amare and go into next year with this:

Amare-$16 mil
Lebron-$20 mil
Gallo- $3 mil
Monta- $11 mil
Toney(our Rondo)-$1 mil

Hill-$2.5 mil

Looking here at 53.5 mil.

That is my ideal plan. I am more comfortable getting end of the bench depth cheaper than front of the bench depth. Sign an MLE guy(can you do that if you sign yourself over the cap in the same summer?) grab a few 2nd round picks to fill it out, grab a few vet minimum guys for vet leadership and presence.....I would be very comfortable with that.