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5/17/2009  2:43 AM
if we get the #2 i'm taking Rubio... if we get the #3 seeing if there's a team willing to trade up a couple slots so they can nab Thabeet & then i'm taking Derozan... hopefully add a later pick in the process & take Mullens... i just don't see the star quality in Thabeet that you do, but obviously he'd address a huge need w/his shotblocking... still when i've watched him he doesn't seem to be all that aggressive or fully focused & into the games... i dunno if he'll ever turn into a legit offensive threat at the NBA level... he might just be another defensive specialist bigman like Chandler or Dalembert... Mutombo would be his absolute peak potential IMO, which is obviously very good but he won't really be a go to guy in games on the offensive end, & i feel we really need a player like that to build around first & foremost... we can always obtain a shotblocker via trade or in free agency.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-16-2009 11:45 PM]
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5/17/2009  2:56 AM
If Thabeet become Mutombo then anyone who passed on him made a huge mistake.

Off the top of my head, Mutombo was an 8 time all-star, including his rookie year, was the most dominant shot blocker of his time(Though one could argue that Olajuwan was better after all he is the all-time leader.), 4 time defensive player of the year, and will go into the HOF on the first ballot.

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5/17/2009  3:11 AM
i doubt he becomes Mutombo.
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5/17/2009  3:15 AM
Posted by TMS:

i doubt he becomes Mutombo.

How about Olajuwan?

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5/17/2009  3:17 AM
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i doubt he becomes Mutombo.

How about Olajuwan?

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i was thinking more along the lines of Andrew Bynum
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5/17/2009  3:19 AM
btw, that Bynum line was just a joke... i think Thabeet is gonna be a 12 / 12 / 3 type player... still a very good player but not a player u can really build around in terms of being the top dawg on a very good team.
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Posted by TMS:

btw, that Bynum line was just a joke... i think Thabeet is gonna be a 12 / 12 / 3 type player... still a very good player but not a player u can really build around in terms of being the top dawg on a very good team.

12/12/3 sounds simply heavenly to me. Because I envision that as a 12/12/3 vs the "big bigs" with serious defense and 55% FGP and with guys a'scared to drive the lane because they don't like the taste of leather. And I can just see him throwing a shot back at the defensive end, then running down to flush it on the break in Kendrick Perkin's mug on the offensive end.

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5/17/2009  3:26 AM
IS BRIGGS still selling Bynum as the next Shaq?

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5/17/2009  3:30 AM
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btw, that Bynum line was just a joke... i think Thabeet is gonna be a 12 / 12 / 3 type player... still a very good player but not a player u can really build around in terms of being the top dawg on a very good team.

12/12/3 sounds simply heavenly to me. Because I envision that as a 12/12/3 vs the "big bigs" with serious defense and 55% FGP and with guys a'scared to drive the lane because they don't like the taste of leather. And I can just see him throwing a shot back at the defensive end, then running down to flush it on the break in Kendrick Perkin's mug on the offensive end.

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dude doesn't seem like he's got that aggressiveness about him to be that type of player... i'm more looking at him accumulating those stats sorta the way D Lee does, only bringing the shotblocking aspect to the table as well.
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dude doesn't seem like he's got that aggressiveness about him to be that type of player... i'm more looking at him accumulating those stats sorta the way D Lee does, only bringing the shotblocking aspect to the table as well.

African layers often seem to take a passive approach to the game. I think that is due to not growing up playing basketball. At the same time, I have noticed that African players tend not to go for fakes as much as american players. They don't have that automatic muscle-memory jumping reaction like American do. That actually makes for good shot-blocking as the proper technique can be trained without having to unlearn bad habits.

I just think Thabeet's potential is greater than any other player in the draft. I'm thinking swing for the fences like you described. fukc the safety picks, let's see if we can land the next "big man" in the game.

And if he isn't that great there is always a taker for a guy that size.

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5/17/2009  3:39 AM
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With our luck Thabeet will be there for the taking but the Knicks won't draft him because he doesn't "fit the system".

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You are really overrating Thabeet. Thabeet lumbers on the court. He is very slow, has 0 offensive game, is a very poor man to man defender and likely will be fouling out as quickly as you can say Saer Sene. This is a very weak draft. Thabeet would be in the late lottery, mid-first round if this had been a stronger draft. He's a project at best and it would be a big risk to take him this high. I'm not high on Curry either but he can do some things on the court. Thabeet just looks awkward and his stats look so good because he was dominating most people who were 4-5 inches shorter than him.

Nah dude you're wrong. Thabeet is raw but he is loaded with potential, bigger, taller, and far more athletic than Sene.

Curry can do some things on the court but so could Troy Bell, yet another tweener like Curry, except Bell played in a tougher conference and was better, yet still couldn't stick or distinguish himself at the NBA level.

Half the battle at the pro level is having the physical gifts to hang. That is why you see so many college teams where some big 7 foot guy is not the star but when it comes to NBA time, the star guards have short careers and the big guy plays for 10 years: Andrew DeClerq, Greg Osterfag, the list goes on. But Thabeet is not some big schlub, you can't teach a guy to be 7 foot 3 and coordinated. But you can teach that guy to be a damn good player if he has the desire.

Okay, so you don't like Thabeet (coocoo!) and you don't particularly care for Curry, who do you want?

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[Edited by - oohah on 16-05-2009 11:35 PM]

I don't know how athletic he is. From what I have seen of him, he has the athleticism of Yao Ming. That's not a compliment.

The problem with your theory is that he's tall and can block shots and we need him on our team. I agree with you. He's a nice prospect but not in the lottery. I mean I don't really have a favorite in this draft. I wouldn't be screaming "Fire Donnie" if we draft Thabeet but to me the guy looks weak. His demeanor is laid back although he looks like a good kid who is willing to learn. Yes he hasn't been playing basketball for that long and all that and yes "you can't teach height" but you also can't teach quickness on the court and Thabeet doesn't have much of that. If he gains muscle and is able to actually guard his man in the post and not be out-muscled and out-maneuvered, he can be deadly. The key word is IF.

I think this draft class is incredibly bad and really most of the lottery will either be bench players or busts. Griffin is the only one who looks like a pro. Everything after him is a crapshoot of epic proportions. This is even worse than the Bargnani and Noah drafts. I don't really care who we draft as long as it's not that big of a reach. Thabeet will probably not even reach the Knicks anyway. Someone will gamble on his size before us and we'll be left with the rest of the mediocre guards with upside on the board. We'll see what happens.
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5/17/2009  3:53 AM
Hmmm...I don't know what to say other than you are way off on his athletic ability so I will have to assume you are exagerating for effect. Thabeet jumps well for his size. Not like Dwight howard, but comparing his athlieticism to Yao Ming is being just mean dude. For shame.

Look at this highlight tape. He can jump and he is willing to take risks. And to TMS...he looks pretty aggressive to me! Not to say he doesn't have his moments, but the guy had a couple of games like 25/20/9, you just don't get those numbers by accident.



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5/17/2009  3:55 AM
I mean these guys are sniffing his armpit! I would love to see somebody make guys think about driving on us! It's been 8-9 years since we had any kind of shotbocking!

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Here he is getting mauled by a more aggressive and bigger (weight wise) player in DaJuan Blair. He'll see much worse in the NBA than a glorified Michael Sweetney.
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5/17/2009  4:00 AM
Here is you and playa on a date:



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5/17/2009  4:03 AM
Yeah Blair gave him hell that game. Who do you think will get picked first?

Good thing that Thabeet won't be guarding hybrid power/small forward, he'll be guaring centers, the majority of whom won't be dribble driving on him.

Also notice at the end of your clip there how Thabeet made Blair eat the ball on the perimeter on one of those plays. Sure Blair came back and scored but you can't ignore his shot blocking and rebounding ability.

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5/17/2009  4:06 AM
Blake Griffin is the consensus #1 pick, no question. Is Rubio #2? 98% chance he is #2. After that it's all up in the air. To be honest one guy I would really like is Brandon Jennings. If he enters and is available, I would definitely take him over Curry and Tyreke Evans. The kid is gonna be a good player.
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Blake Griffin is the consensus #1 pick, no question. Is Rubio #2? 98% chance he is #2. After that it's all up in the air. To be honest one guy I would really like is Brandon Jennings. If he enters and is available, I would definitely take him over Curry and Tyreke Evans. The kid is gonna be a good player.

I like Jenning though I have never seen him play.

Whoever takes Rubio with a ultra-high pick will regret it. I've never seen so much emphasis on "poise" in my life. Chris Corchiani had poise. John Crotty had Poise too. #2 picks should be guys who have the potential to straight-up take over games. What Makes Rubio even as good Kirk Hinrich? Hinrich was poised like a mother in college. Hinrich gave Paul Pierce hell on the defensive end and he has good physical ability, passing game, and is pretty athletic. And to me that is a kind comparison. I don't see it from Rubio. But then again I only saw him really play in the olympics.

I'll take Sherman Douglas. Man he had poise!

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5/17/2009  4:14 AM
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And to TMS...he looks pretty aggressive to me! Not to say he doesn't have his moments, but the guy had a couple of games like 25/20/9, you just don't get those numbers by accident.



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i don't see any aggression in that clip... all i see is him getting wide open dunks while not being covered by anyone in the lane on offense & blocking shots on defense... i already know he's an elite shotblocking talent... what would make me feel better about picking him is if i could get the sense that he can be aggressive on the offensive side of the ball, & i have never seen that out of him in the games i've watched... i'm not an avid Uconn fan so i might have to take your word for it but he does seem to loaf on the floor at times on offense, not really knowing where he should be on the floor or what to do when guys are driving to the lane... he just sorta stands there, kinda like "OK, what do i do now?"... nahm sayin? believe me we could do a lot worse than Thabeet in the draft but the only way we're getting him is by moving up to #3 to pick him & IMO i'd prefer to trade down & get more value out of the pick if i can.
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5/17/2009  4:20 AM
The aggressiveness I was referring to was on defense. However, if you look at the way he dunks, especially on the alley-opps he is trying to tear the basket down. This is not Yinka Dare or Kandi-man we are looking at here.

I've also witnessed him knocking down 10 footers with relative consistency. Looking pretty comfortable shooting them. Not that I want to see him shooting those much.

I think what you have interpreted as loafing is his lack of knowledge of the game. He definitely needs development, no doubt about hit. But I don't see him as a guy without desire.

You know, if Griffin is definitely #1 and Rubio goes #2 I am feeling a lot better about landing our next big man! It can happen!

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