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2/26/2009  4:03 PM
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Bip FTW

I just spent the last 5 minutes scouring the internet to find out what FTW means. I spent the whole time cursing JamaicanJetfan for calling me names and trying to think of a comeback.

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2/26/2009  4:14 PM
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Gallo is the kind of guy that you can have in their with Lee in late game situations, cuz he doesn't duplicate Lee, he has offensive skills that Lee will never have. To me we have a very good talent base that just needs to continue to mature. Gallo is still feeling his way around, but one thing that I like is he was able to focus and make the shots and be in the right position to rebound. I saw him follow the ball once the shot went up so he could pursue the rebound!!! That was huge to me. He got a tough offensive board and then didn't force a shot up with Magic players all around him. He took it out and handed off to Chan for the 3!!! Again the kid wasn't really fazed by the moment. In fact he seemed to thrive in that intensity!!!!

I think this said more about Gallo than the many meaningless minutes he's played in other games. Crunchtime is a whole other animal, just like playoff basketball is even another level above that. Gallo has shown in Europe that he was up to the task and I think we can see signs that he'll be the same here.
on realgm, I highlighted that point in my keys.. that was a smart play and a play most of our guys don't make.. As you said, winning close games is as much about poise and smart play than it is about ability at times...

I was actually more encouraged by Gallo's play last night than just about any other time. He was more fully engaged and not just standing on the outside. He still needs to feel more comfortable in traffic, which I get the sense he feels like he can't operate with a lot of bodies around him yet. It's all mental really. He has to believe that he's got a dominant game. Guys like Durant and Prince are skinny as heck, but they play with force and confidence and that can make up for a lack of strength.
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2/26/2009  4:21 PM
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Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Bip FTW

I just spent the last 5 minutes scouring the internet to find out what FTW means. I spent the whole time cursing JamaicanJetfan for calling me names and trying to think of a comeback.

Man, I'm getting old.

You did find that it means 'Fights Tiny Walruses' right?
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Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Bip FTW

I just spent the last 5 minutes scouring the internet to find out what FTW means. I spent the whole time cursing JamaicanJetfan for calling me names and trying to think of a comeback.

Man, I'm getting old.

You did find that it means 'Fights Tiny Walruses' right?

I found about 80 definitions. All more confusing than the one before
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2/26/2009  5:50 PM
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Larry Hughes can't hold Gallo's jock strap when it comes to shooting the rock. This kid is clutch along with Chandler, that's the NYK future. How anyone can want Hughes playing over Gallo is mind boggling to me. I just don't see what Hughes brings that Gallo already does. Let the kid play.

I'm not sure what you're missing here but Gallo is a forward and we are hurting at our guard depth. Hughes and Q will play as a result of that.

Gallo should get minutes but not at the expense of guards who have to play the 1 and 2 for us.

What should be happening is Jeffries should play less.


Cosmic, I appreciate the game videos that you provide but have been watching the same games I have. D'Antoni has played Hughes with Nate and Duhon at the same time for stints since Hughes has been here. Today he even played Q, with Hughes. If you want to say Hughes is a Guard fine but what the hell is he playing sf for.

Excellent point, I was surprised that Hughes was the player that D'Antoni chose to sub for Chandler. When Q came in it allowed Hughes to move back over to the SG position. I think Hughes is still a new toy for him and he will used him until it become ridiculous like Roberson. LOL at D'Antoni screaming at him for lack of intensity on the help defense.

While I understand that the point is we were hurting at guard depth. If Mike wants to play a 3 guard lineup then he needs a guard to accomplish that. So it doesn't really matter that Hughes has come in at SF at times that's just a matter of personal preference as a fan to not want to see a 3 guard lineup. Which is fine, I don't like them either, but the point is we were thin at guard and Larry will be given a chance to play his way into shape to give us depth at guard.

Gallo (F) shouldn't play ahead of Hughes (G) in that respect, he should pay in front of other forwards, and take some of Jeffries minutes. Maybe even Al's when he's bricklaying or Chandler when he's doing the same.

We were thin at guard, we got a guard, and when Mike wants a guard on the court Hughes is going to play unless he proves he absolutely can't do it anymore.
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2/26/2009  6:53 PM
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"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.
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Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.

It would seem to me that based on your typical posts, which are not usually designed to add to a dialogue, but rather to provoke, you should be ecstatic with such a response from a sanctimonious jackass.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-26-2009 9:01 PM]
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Wow---what if Gallo had 20 points and 10 rebounds This thread would be miles long. Two 30 footers and a a few position rebounds and he is ready for 30 minutes:) I'm glad Gallo played better and did a couple of nice things. I think he needs to do that roughly 20 more times with consistency before you say he is ready for anything more than 15 minutes. But I'm glad to see a + atleast
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2/26/2009  9:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Wow---what if Gallo had 20 points and 10 rebounds This thread would be miles long. Two 30 footers and a a few position rebounds and he is ready for 30 minutes:) I'm glad Gallo played better and did a couple of nice things. I think he needs to do that roughly 20 more times with consistency before you say he is ready for anything more than 15 minutes. But I'm glad to see a + atleast

& yet all it takes is 1 bad game for u to call anyone a bust... there's consistency for u

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Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.

It would seem to me that based on your typical posts, which are not usually designed to add to a dialogue, but rather to provoke, you should be ecstatic with such a response from a sanctimonious jackass.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-26-2009 9:01 PM]

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Posted by BRIGGS:

Wow---what if Gallo had 20 points and 10 rebounds This thread would be miles long. Two 30 footers and a a few position rebounds and he is ready for 30 minutes:) I'm glad Gallo played better and did a couple of nice things. I think he needs to do that roughly 20 more times with consistency before you say he is ready for anything more than 15 minutes. But I'm glad to see a + atleast

That's why I wasn't that impress with his last outting compared to what he did against the Pacers. I mean they set him up for those 3 pointers like Kerr. Basically they running plays for him like everyone wanted before. I called out he was taking the 3 before they even ran the play because it was obvious to everyone except Van Gundy. Like Clyde said during the game, the Magic didn't bother guarding Gallinari in those possessions and were hounding Nate, Harrington and Chandler trying to prevent a drive to the basket. Van Gundy was getting out coached in that 4th quarter badly.

I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:

Wow---what if Gallo had 20 points and 10 rebounds This thread would be miles long. Two 30 footers and a a few position rebounds and he is ready for 30 minutes:) I'm glad Gallo played better and did a couple of nice things. I think he needs to do that roughly 20 more times with consistency before you say he is ready for anything more than 15 minutes. But I'm glad to see a + atleast

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Posted by Pharzeone:
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Wow---what if Gallo had 20 points and 10 rebounds This thread would be miles long. Two 30 footers and a a few position rebounds and he is ready for 30 minutes:) I'm glad Gallo played better and did a couple of nice things. I think he needs to do that roughly 20 more times with consistency before you say he is ready for anything more than 15 minutes. But I'm glad to see a + atleast

That's why I wasn't that impress with his last outting compared to what he did against the Pacers. I mean they set him up for those 3 pointers like Kerr. Basically they running plays for him like everyone wanted before. I called out he was taking the 3 before they even ran the play because it was obvious to everyone except Van Gundy. Like Clyde said during the game, the Magic didn't bother guarding Gallinari in those possessions and were hounding Nate, Harrington and Chandler trying to prevent a drive to the basket. Van Gundy was getting out coached in that 4th quarter badly.

I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I don't think its the 3s that the fans were excited about. Its probably more due to the timing. His plays all came during crunch time. Watching the game the plays are going to get that extra excitement because they were in clutch moments.

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2/27/2009  12:04 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:


I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I would be disappointed if he just ends up being a jump shooter standing behind the 3pt line all the time. It would still make him a valuable component on the team, but not the complete player he is expected to be by many, including myself. NBA defenses have a way of dealing with one dimensional players, though, and if he can't take his man off the dribble his success will be limited.


... and I agree that the timing of the shots as well as who they came from were more important that the fact that they were 3pointers.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 12:06 AM]
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Posted by Paladin55:
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I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I would be disappointed if he just ends up being a jump shooter standing behind the 3pt line all the time. It would still make him a valuable component on the team, but not the complete player he is expected to be by many, including myself. NBA defenses have a way of dealing with one dimensional players, though, and if he can't take his man off the dribble his success will be limited.


... and I agree that the timing of the shots as well as who they came from were more important that the fact that they were 3pointers.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 12:06 AM]

That's goes back to my argument that this guy isn't be coached up. I think they are willing to let this guy develop into a 3 point specialist at this point. I don't see D'Antoni really getting on him for allowing a shorter man to make him shoot from the outside. Where are the coaches telling him to back that ball down there in the post with his 6'10 frame. My favorite games for him have been against the Bulls, Clippers and the Pacers.

I like him to play tough basketball because in my opinion despite what the coach believes is necessary for this team to go to the next level. Although he has to avoid flopping so much. I couldn't even enjoy his charge that much because Manu and Varejo killed it for me.
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I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I would be disappointed if he just ends up being a jump shooter standing behind the 3pt line all the time. It would still make him a valuable component on the team, but not the complete player he is expected to be by many, including myself. NBA defenses have a way of dealing with one dimensional players, though, and if he can't take his man off the dribble his success will be limited.


... and I agree that the timing of the shots as well as who they came from were more important that the fact that they were 3pointers.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 12:06 AM]

That's goes back to my argument that this guy isn't be coached up. I think they are willing to let this guy develop into a 3 point specialist at this point. I don't see D'Antoni really getting on him for allowing a shorter man to make him shoot from the outside. Where are the coaches telling him to back that ball down there in the post with his 6'10 frame. My favorite games for him have been against the Bulls, Clippers and the Pacers.

I like him to play tough basketball because in my opinion despite what the coach believes is necessary for this team to go to the next level. Although he has to avoid flopping so much. I couldn't even enjoy his charge that much because Manu and Varejo killed it for me.

I wholly agtee. To justify the 6th pick, DG needs to be more than a 3pt specialist. The dude has the whole package and I think he can even post up once he develops some muscle. MDA has to stay on this guy to not just hang out at the 3pt line and wait for a pass.
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"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.

Went off on you? Escalate? Schizophrenic? jackasse? Tell you how your are supposed to act?

You obviously weren't a part of the original conversation but injected yourself anyway. The original conversation started with a fan that said "I am not a Gallo supporter". I responded with "how can you not be a Gallo supporter". Two very simple sentences. No talk of salary caps and future moves. Just simple conversation about supporting YOUR ROOKIE. As a fan of the Knicks I find it odd that a fan would not support him at this point. Call it sanctimonious, call it egotistical, call it mean. I don't care. Hate the GM, think the GM is an idiot, but Gallo's here, working hard and there is no reason not to support the guy, unless...........YOu have an agenda.

I find it funny that you spend your day searching for a fight and yet felt that my last paragraph was me "going off on you". Lighten up Francis
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I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I would be disappointed if he just ends up being a jump shooter standing behind the 3pt line all the time. It would still make him a valuable component on the team, but not the complete player he is expected to be by many, including myself. NBA defenses have a way of dealing with one dimensional players, though, and if he can't take his man off the dribble his success will be limited.


... and I agree that the timing of the shots as well as who they came from were more important that the fact that they were 3pointers.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 12:06 AM]

Good post, I agree with you. Having a dead eye 3 point shooter is a definite weapon and not somehting to take lightly. I think with the 6th pick you are expecting more though. We shall see. Hopefully with some added strength he can develop his penetration skills. Personally I think we will see him develop his mid-range skills first.
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I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I would be disappointed if he just ends up being a jump shooter standing behind the 3pt line all the time. It would still make him a valuable component on the team, but not the complete player he is expected to be by many, including myself. NBA defenses have a way of dealing with one dimensional players, though, and if he can't take his man off the dribble his success will be limited.


... and I agree that the timing of the shots as well as who they came from were more important that the fact that they were 3pointers.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 12:06 AM]

That's goes back to my argument that this guy isn't be coached up. I think they are willing to let this guy develop into a 3 point specialist at this point. I don't see D'Antoni really getting on him for allowing a shorter man to make him shoot from the outside. Where are the coaches telling him to back that ball down there in the post with his 6'10 frame. My favorite games for him have been against the Bulls, Clippers and the Pacers.

I think you may see more of that next year. If he's still a 3 pt specialist next year than I would worry. For now I think they are playing to his strength and this is his current role.
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