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Cosmic
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1/6/2009  10:12 AM
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so then if I follow your logic, Chris Bosh also sucks. Excepting the 07/08 season where they had a winning record and they made the playoffs he has done nothing but put up stats while his team continues to pile on the losses. No matter how many good players they surround him with, they still lose and you get a woody every time his name is mentioned as a 2010 FA. I've heard he's unhappy in Toronto, maybe we can get him for Tim Thomas and a bag of chips

You're really putting Zach Randolph into the same category as Chris Bosh? Really?

Damn, you really do like the guy, that's okay and all, but to me he's still a bum with a huge contract, and I couldn't be happier he's gone. He's also on the shelf BTW with a bum knee, his bad knee, the one that was bothering him earlier in the year here even, so maybe we even dodged the dreaded injury with him as well.


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EMS, great post. Boxscore watching is truly a bad habit. Many seem to do it with Zach and can't seem to understand how he's been traded for garbage twice in his career, and how many fans are so happy to see him gone. With him, you have no teamwork, you have no David Lee and Wilson Chandler raising their games, all you have is Zach jab stepping his way to 43% shooting while the losses pile up.
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1/6/2009  10:26 AM
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We could have gotten more than Tim Thomas for Zach, that all. Didn't realize this statement would cause such a rucas

Catino Mobley is a pretty good player. There is no way we knew his condition had worsened and we are still tying to get half his salary as a disabled player exemption.
So, factor Tim Thomas and Mobley into it. Do you think Walsh only considered the clippers offer? No chance, remember the previous team wanted a first from us. Other teams knew we were shopping him. Another factor is we can only get back relatively large salaries (however you divide 17 million). What other team really had that and wanted to move it AND it expired before 2010.
We gave a fading Frye and useless what's his name for Zach. It's not an aberration, it's Zach's value (at his huge salary - key point).

The ruckus is starting to settle

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1/6/2009  10:32 AM
btw...this NY Post story re: Blazers being interested in Curry is utter bullsht, not even remotely possible its true
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1/6/2009  10:37 AM
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Zach doesn't impact he W/L column like a guy paid that much money should.

Agreed, yet, he does impact the L column.
doesn't mean he is a total spaz or cancer or zachass or whatever other colorful name you people can come up with.

Actually, yes, it does, and it's been proven over the length of his career.
Playing with zach helps some guys, who because of the attention he draws, flourish

Helps them what? Save their energy because they're not involved in any plays and can just stand still and watch him do his jab-step-chuck routive?
exhibit A since Gordon only got better b/c of minutes is Chandler. his shooting numbers took a huge dip after the Zach trade. I know Q told us he hit the rookie wall after 20 games or so and some of you ran wih it but seriously...

Ok, that's a broken sentence. Gordon got better because Gordon actually got minutes. Chandler got better because he got minutes instead of watching from the bench. You can't draw any conclusions from that.

Q? Nobody listens to Q. Chandler had a 6 game slump and he was lazy, chucking deep shots, not playing defense, and acting like a bum. Then he got a fire lit back under him (not by him, coach and teammates I bet) and he fought back and started attacking again and the last game he did not just attack but he limited the mistakes as well.

Again, what's that got to do with ZachAss? Nothing, except, without him here chucking his bum ass to 43% from the 4 position, other players could actually not just see the court BUT THE BALL and maybe do something with it instead of watching it leave Zach's hand en route to a brick more often than not.


...bleh, Zach Randolph, We're talkin' bout Zach Randolph!?

WOW!

...I'm done talkin' about Zach Randolph.

No disrespect to ya's but, ya's nuts, still talkin' bout Zach Randolph! HES A BUM. We're better off without that clown.


I'm going to ignore your opinion of Zach which is 95% of this reply and address the 2 things you are DEAD wRONG about.

pt 1: "exhibit a, since Gordon got better by playing minutes, is wilson chandler." has a noun and a verb and even a prepositional phrase. therefore, by the laws that govern the english language, it is not a broken sentence.

pt 2: yahoo has a feature called split stats and in it you will see that for the entire month of december, about 15 games, he shot below 40%. In November, when Zach was holding down the 5 and drawing all kinds of attention away from the perimeter players, he shot a very respectable 45-46%. It wasn't just 6 games of lazy chucking as you put it.

thank you for as EMS so deceitfully put it dumbing down to rookie and I's level to inform us why we should be happy Zach's gone but
I'm not

I didn't/don't agree

I wish he was still here

I liked watching him play

he was no cancer here

the team looked better with him

the team has been awful without him

my op is stated here and no matter how many 5000 to 10000 word posts you are anyone else will make in reply, my op won't change.

Thank You.



[Edited by - McK1 on 06-01-2009 08:47 AM]

Um, where do you get my post being deceitful from? You are reading the written word, there is no face, emotions, etc. to judge it by and yet you can see deceit (which was not at all my intention)?

Seems like we are rooting for the same team just have different opinions, no reason to name call.

Anyway, I'm happy Zach is gone, just cause of his salary. I'd rather have another max player on this team than him. And as another said, he is resting his knee. That is something that was mentioned here, would his surgically repaired knees have kept up in this system? But, Zach is young and maybe he turns things around, no hard feeling here. We are just sticking to managements plan and for a change I trust them.

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1/6/2009  10:40 AM
Update by new york reporters Lee is getting traded to the Jets for Richard Todd, Wesley Walker, and Mark Gastineau. Portland only owuld want Curry for a eating contest.
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1/6/2009  10:49 AM
seven sacks or less?
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1/6/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Like it or not the Blazers traded Zach Randolph for Channing Frye.
The Knicks traded Zach Randolph for Tim Thomas.

Tim Thomas > Channing Frye.

I'm to lazy to investigate, but I'll be that if you follow that line far enough back you'll find that we traded Tim Thomas for Tim Thomas.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-06-2009 10:55]
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1/6/2009  11:09 AM
Posted by purple012870:

btw...this NY Post story re: Blazers being interested in Curry is utter bullsht, not even remotely possible its true

I am surprised a reporter would even print something like that when it was so obviously BS. With Oden, Aldridge, Frye, and Joel already on the team, why in the world would they want Curry and his $10 million salary, when Curry has established that he is a non-rebounding, non-defensive center who averages more turnovers than assists even though he is constantly double-teamed.
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1/6/2009  12:10 PM
I took this
Nice posts Cosmic. A great friend of mine once said something that stuck with me: "You can only communicate to a person at their level of understanding."

as a loosely veiled insult. If it wasn't, sorry I misinterpreted the point you were making.

As for Zach's knee, he is not resting it due to recurring pain from the surgery.

Toronto couldn't stop Zach when the 2 teams played so Jake Voskul was sent in and he delivered a blow to Zach's knee that caused deep bruising as well as a sprain. Thats why he has been out.

see I don't just follow boxscores...
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1/6/2009  12:13 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by purple012870:

btw...this NY Post story re: Blazers being interested in Curry is utter bullsht, not even remotely possible its true

I am surprised a reporter would even print something like that when it was so obviously BS. With Oden, Aldridge, Frye, and Joel already on the team, why in the world would they want Curry and his $10 million salary, when Curry has established that he is a non-rebounding, non-defensive center who averages more turnovers than assists even though he is constantly double-teamed.


Especially when all 4 guys own Eddy Curry.
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1/6/2009  12:17 PM
Posted by Cosmic:





Damn, you really do like the guy, that's okay and all, but to me he's still a bum with a huge contract, and I couldn't be happier he's gone. He's also on the shelf BTW with a bum knee, his bad knee, the one that was bothering him earlier in the year here even, so maybe we even dodged the dreaded injury with him as well.


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EMS, great post. Boxscore watching is truly a bad habit. Many seem to do it with Zach and can't seem to understand how he's been traded for garbage twice in his career, and how many fans are so happy to see him gone. With him, you have no teamwork, you have no David Lee and Wilson Chandler raising their games, all you have is Zach jab stepping his way to 43% shooting while the losses pile up.

more mis-informed garbage

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3956/splits;_ylt=AkpOWu.nSDU0_qHxYJbgBP8yPaB4

only numbers of Lee that suffered with Zach here was rebounding naturally.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4301/splits;_ylt=AkpOWu.nSDU0_qHxYJbgBP.gPaB4

Chandler otoh saw a marked increase and subsequent decrease in shooting efficiency with/without Zach.

and the "bum knee" was the direct cause of an intentional blow to it by Jake Voskul. They couldn't stop him so they put their goon in the game to take him out.

Get your facts straight!

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1/6/2009  2:21 PM
Posted by McK1:

I took this
Nice posts Cosmic. A great friend of mine once said something that stuck with me: "You can only communicate to a person at their level of understanding."

as a loosely veiled insult. If it wasn't, sorry I misinterpreted the point you were making.

As for Zach's knee, he is not resting it due to recurring pain from the surgery.

Toronto couldn't stop Zach when the 2 teams played so Jake Voskul was sent in and he delivered a blow to Zach's knee that caused deep bruising as well as a sprain. Thats why he has been out.

see I don't just follow boxscores...

ok, I could definitely see that as being an insult, but to deceive one is to lie, I'm not being deceitful.
Perhaps it wasn't the best way to say it, I meant your mind is made up and can't be changed. I mean you really didn't bend an inch. I didn't see you give any strong support. Anyway, it's all relative, stats can show different things to different people and even outside of stats people see different things. By the way the box score comment wasn't directed at you, but perhaps at a bit of your argument, just meaning he does put up 20 and 10. I mostly look at box scores cause I don't catch many games, but I look at what others say with regard to what box scores don't show (along with the few games I watch). So, I know personally it could be a danger (aka - Zach, sorry couldn't resist that one )

I "respect" or give more credence to a few of the posters here. And with something, like Zach, who I'm somewhat familiar with, I just didn't see you making (imo) a point in Zach's favor.

Didn't want this to get long winded, but it's hard (for everyone I'd say) on a forum to make clear points when emotion is involved and only with words.

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1/6/2009  2:30 PM
Oh, McK1, you are right about Zach's Knee being bruised, but it's still his knee (his surgically repaired one), which for a big guy like that (ok, he doesn't depend on athleticism, nor have much) is dangerous. I mean in the sense that that is stress on a surgically repaired knee. Also, teams always play down there own players injuries, we did it with Gallo way back when, so I'm sure it's in the best interest of most teams to not show a players injuries 100%.

I could sort of agree with Chandlers numbers going up with Zach, as he does attract attention. But that doesn't mean he is a "team player". Zach is a GREAT scorer so he will get doubles and that will help his teamates out (to a degree, statistically), the point was, he just isn't playing as a team player imo. I don't think he is a bad guy though, the worst really does seem behind him. By making others "better" means playing with high IQ, not just creating more open shots (which is nice).

The only way I see Zach getting traded for any more value would be near the trade deadline from a team needing that extra player to add some scoring punch. But it's a chance imo and the amount of money in salaries would make it tough.

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1/6/2009  5:18 PM
I'm not trying to convince anyone about the merits of Zach.

He is a person you either like or don't.

I just try to seperate fact from opinion, truth from lie, etc. etc.



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1/8/2009  10:11 AM
Surer, just curious what you think of this from Vecsey
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01062009/sports/moresports/camby_too_valuable_to_struggling_clipper_147408.htm


"Certainly, the Knicks covet Camby. Except for the discounted-Denver Nuggets, who donated him to my Paper Clips for a potential trade of second-round picks, name a team in business to win that wouldn't want a radical rebounder devoted to playing defense and can't be ignored on offense.

Of course, had Walsh given his decision a little more thought, he could've bagged Camby in a three-way deal three months ago. Dunleavy offered to take Zach Randolph's mega millions off his cap for that same harmless swap of No. 2s.

(Come to think of it, had Scott Layden given it any thought, Camby never would've been dispatched to Denver and either Nene or Amare Stoudemire would've suited up for the Knicks since the 2002 draft).

Offended, Walsh "held out" for Tim Thomas ("Everyone knows you don't trade for him unless he's in the final freakin' year of his contract," Chris Rock preached to this choir of one at courtside a couple weeks ago in L.A.) and Cutino Mobley's expiring contract come the celebrated summer of 2010."
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