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bitty41
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4/10/2007  2:07 PM
If you told me you thought that GGW sets a bad tone toward women, should I insist over and over that you were accusing ALL whites of behaving that way? Because that's the ploy that's been taken with me.

Sorry but that is completely off base. I'm not basing that premise on race whereas in your examples you clearly were. You made your arguement based around race not around gender, religion or anything else except race. Your the one that keeps bringing up how "black entertainers do this or use this schtick".
After that conversation we could then consider if Imus fit into that genre of comedy/parody. (And as I've said before, my opinion is as yet unformed on those questions.) I think those considerations would have yeilded a higher level of conversation.

If you consider making sexist, racist, and religious intolerant jokes to be funny than sure you can put Imus among that category of comedy/parody.
which loosely states if a white guys speaks racist jargon (comedic schtik included), it's racism. And I feel there's a similar thing that goes on within our own little thread here.

Seriously are you even paying attention at all have you read any of my posts? Let me reiterate AGAIN that my counterpoint to your arguement is that contrary to your own world where you see nothing (apparently) but black people making racist jokes or using demeaning language to one another; that is not the standard and it is not something that exists throughout all of black culture. Rappers and other entertainers that participate in this type of entertainment are not always indicative of all black people. Furthermore any black person with a half amount of common sense would not use this type of language in a professional situation. I even pointed out that most of the black people who would talk like this in any sort of official setting are either ignorant adults or kids who don't know any better. Finally, this all relates to my comparsion to the GGW in that those women do not represent every woman that is under the age of 30 thus people should not feel that those videos or that forms of entertainment that depict women in a less than flattering light should not give anyone license to make disrespectful or sexist remarks CAPICE! Sorry for the run-on sentence.
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4/10/2007  2:08 PM
Bip, for calling me a bastart, I am gonna have to pretend to dunk over you. Maybe I'll make it a 360 and if you get a third strike, I'm gonna have to imagine slapping a sticker with a picture of my face on your forehead while I do that. I don't think you want that.
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4/10/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Bip, for calling me a bastart, I am gonna have to pretend to dunk over you. Maybe I'll make it a 360 and if you get a third strike, I'm gonna have to imagine slapping a sticker with a picture of my face on your forehead while I do that. I don't think you want that.

What are you talking about, you're white and we know you can't jump. Allanfan remember when that 5 foot tall white girl tried to take it inside on me in the rec league last year? What did I do to her shiot? I sent it off the wall. It hit the side wall so hard it came back and hit her in the head. I still laugh about that and will continue for years. But that's what happens when white people try to take me to the hoop. So maybe you might want to reconsider your sticker plans my friend.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-10-2007 2:17 PM]
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4/10/2007  2:22 PM
Hey, I'm a proud white who can't just more than 16" off the ground, and that's how pathetic you'll look when I imagine Dwight Howarding your sorry ars. Get ready to cry. You're crying already. In fact, you're crying in real life.
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4/10/2007  2:29 PM
Okay it's on now. But before we do this let's lay some ground rules. No elbows, knees or anything else. I have a wedding coming up and I want to look my best. Oh, and my ankle is still a little sore sometimes so I don't really want to hurt it under these cirumstances. Maybe we could just have you go for a layup and I'll try to intimidate you without jumping, that way neither of us gets hurt. Oh and no trash talking, because if I lose I dont' want to have my feelings hurt.If you agree to these terms, then it's on biotch! Oops sorry. It's on you quality individual that I respect dearly.
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4/10/2007  2:39 PM
Speaking of layups, that reminds me of some report a kid wrote when he was a ball boy for a game, that I actually was at, (Suns vs Knicks last season and the Knicks won in triple OT) and Q Woods and Nate had a dunk contest. During all the entertainment, Channing Frye went on to make a layups and he shouted "LAYUP!!!!!!!" Who knew he'd actually be a softy like that, except he doesn't score layups like he should. He just takes jumpshots and passes up on others.
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4/10/2007  3:51 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Besides, just to stay on point...

how long did it take ESPN to fire Tim Hardaway?

Tim Hardaway said, "I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. It shouldn't be in the world or the United States."

It's pretty hard for him to make the argument that he was kidding or didn't mean what he said, and his employers made the decision to fire him. Why? Because his continued presence would have hurt their bottom line. And I don't think having pink skin could have saved him.

Maybe if Imus had said: "I hate black people, so I let it be known. I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. They shouldn't be in the world or the United States."

Then maybe he would have had trouble booking guests, obtaining advertising and he, too, would have been fired.

Unfortunately for African-Americans, the phrase "nappy-headed hoes" apparently falls into a plausibly comic zone within the marketplace of ideas at this time in American history. (although, on the bright side, this incident may have greatly diminished the ability of the phrase to generate laughs anytime in the near future and we may not hear it again anytime soon.) Also, Imus was a man insulting what women look like. That's almost completely acceptable behavior in every cultural sub-group in America. If Hardaway had simply told Billie Jean King or Martina Navratilova jokes, he would still be in show business.
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4/10/2007  4:08 PM
Posted by GhandiOrr:
Posted by misterearl:

Besides, just to stay on point...

how long did it take ESPN to fire Tim Hardaway?

Tim Hardaway said, "I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. It shouldn't be in the world or the United States."

It's pretty hard for him to make the argument that he was kidding or didn't mean what he said, and his employers made the decision to fire him. Why? Because his continued presence would have hurt their bottom line. And I don't think having pink skin could have saved him.

Maybe if Imus had said: "I hate black people, so I let it be known. I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. They shouldn't be in the world or the United States."

Then maybe he would have had trouble booking guests, obtaining advertising and he, too, would have been fired.

Unfortunately for African-Americans, the phrase "nappy-headed hoes" apparently falls into a plausibly comic zone within the marketplace of ideas at this time in American history. (although, on the bright side, this incident may have greatly diminished the ability of the phrase to generate laughs anytime in the near future and we may not hear it again anytime soon.) Also, Imus was a man insulting what women look like. That's almost completely acceptable behavior in every cultural sub-group in America. If Hardaway had simply told Billie Jean King or Martina Navratilova jokes, he would still be in show business.

Imus has said that he hated the New York Knicks because they are nothing but chest bumping thuggin pimps. He didn't seem to be joking. Mike Breen asked him can you say that without actually meeting one of them. He said he never wanted to meet them. He acknowledge it was said out of expressed hate and was fine with it. He said that he found the Rutger female players to be nappy headed hos. Then he actually tried to justified his statement during his "sketch" by saying wasn't that in one of Spike Lee movies. He nor his collaborators could actually name the movie. Then he went on to say that the Tenn. players were pretty. Not only was it racist, it was indeed sexist. How bother was Imus about the statements that he said that was what he does on his show and they are there to entertain people.
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4/10/2007  4:21 PM
^ As bad as the Imus situation is, any insult of the Knicks is pretty gratifying. Our team does do a lot of chest bumping (celebrating) despite being one of the league's poorest teams for six years running.
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4/10/2007  4:43 PM
So is Imus racist against nappy headed hoes or not??

I think all memebers of the N.H.H.A should protest and fight for there rights.

Just because they are nappy headed hoes, does that not make them human beings? They bleed & cry just like everyone else.

I have a dream that nappy headed hoes and old farts will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual. Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!


BTW there are definatly some HOES over in Rutgers college in New Brunswick. The % of girls in that attend that school with an STD is crazy. Though I forgot the actual #.
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4/10/2007  4:56 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by GhandiOrr:
Posted by misterearl:

Besides, just to stay on point...

how long did it take ESPN to fire Tim Hardaway?

Tim Hardaway said, "I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. It shouldn't be in the world or the United States."

It's pretty hard for him to make the argument that he was kidding or didn't mean what he said, and his employers made the decision to fire him. Why? Because his continued presence would have hurt their bottom line. And I don't think having pink skin could have saved him.

Maybe if Imus had said: "I hate black people, so I let it be known. I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. They shouldn't be in the world or the United States."

Then maybe he would have had trouble booking guests, obtaining advertising and he, too, would have been fired.

Unfortunately for African-Americans, the phrase "nappy-headed hoes" apparently falls into a plausibly comic zone within the marketplace of ideas at this time in American history. (although, on the bright side, this incident may have greatly diminished the ability of the phrase to generate laughs anytime in the near future and we may not hear it again anytime soon.) Also, Imus was a man insulting what women look like. That's almost completely acceptable behavior in every cultural sub-group in America. If Hardaway had simply told Billie Jean King or Martina Navratilova jokes, he would still be in show business.

Imus has said that he hated the New York Knicks because they are nothing but chest bumping thuggin pimps. He didn't seem to be joking. Mike Breen asked him can you say that without actually meeting one of them. He said he never wanted to meet them. He acknowledge it was said out of expressed hate and was fine with it. He said that he found the Rutger female players to be nappy headed hos. Then he actually tried to justified his statement during his "sketch" by saying wasn't that in one of Spike Lee movies. He nor his collaborators could actually name the movie. Then he went on to say that the Tenn. players were pretty. Not only was it racist, it was indeed sexist. How bother was Imus about the statements that he said that was what he does on his show and they are there to entertain people.

Yes. It was racist and sexist. I haven't heard his interview with Breen, but that does indeed sound like Imus.

He has one politician after another on his show and seems to have no opinion about what any of them are saying. He makes ignorant statements, never backs them up, and changes the subject to his ranch and all the kids he helps. That's his show. I think he should have been fired along time ago for being a waste of space. But, being a waste of space seems to be his job description. I'm assuming his audience has been mostly white for a long time and now it is sure to be almost completely white.

It's a shame that being a white racist can't get you fired because there are so many white people who enjoy listening to it or who are willing to forgive and forget it. I can imagine that that would completely make African-Americans' skin crawl. (I'm about 20 percent black myself, so maybe some of my skin is actually crawling and I'm not just imagining it.) In 1860 black women worked their asses off for white men who "owned" and raped them and dismissed their humanity by calling them "nappy-headed hoes". Now, it's 2007, black women work their asses off getting an education and competing at the highest level in basketball, and a white man dismisses them as "nappy-headed hoes." That's disgraceful. It's enough to make black people and plenty of other people say, "Hey, can we get an officer over here. Can something be done to stop this?" And the answer seems to come back, "no." That's depressing. But on the bright side: Imus doesn't own them, and he can't really hurt them, and hopefully all the women on those two teams are already like, "F*** that dumb-a**!" And, there are prominent people who can denounce him. But still, WFAN, CBS and MSNBC think that after a two week hiatus, Imus can come back and enough people will tune in and they'll make more money off of Imus than they would a replacement. It's disturbing, but other than public pressure on their wallets, I don't know what else could or should be done. Freedom of Speech does still rock!

My comment before was to say that Hardaway was fired for what he said, not because of his skin color. And he is still free to look for a platform for his anti-gay shock-jock routine because America is great (even if it sorta sucks and is kinda scary).
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4/10/2007  4:59 PM
Imus has a 1 share. Nobody listened to his show before this incident.
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4/10/2007  5:03 PM
I have no gripe with people calling for Imus to be fired. BUT I don't understand why this particular comment is drawing so much attention. I've heard him and others make such ridiculous statements all the time and they don't get picked up by anyone. It's bizarre that now, at this point in time it's been decided that this particular thing he said was so out of line ... it's like all of a sudden an arbitrary standard has arbitrarily been put in place.
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4/10/2007  5:05 PM
... also, it's pathetic how Mike and the Mad Dog are going off today, trying to make it all about Al Sharpton and what an opportunist he is ... it's not about Al Sharpton, guys. As much as you and Al would like it to be.
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4/10/2007  5:31 PM
newyorknewyork - just consider it might not be such a laughing matter if it was a woman in your family being described as such

hiding behind the word "racist" seems to be very popular these days

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4/10/2007  5:52 PM
Posted by bitty41:
If you told me you thought that GGW sets a bad tone toward women, should I insist over and over that you were accusing ALL whites of behaving that way? Because that's the ploy that's been taken with me.

Sorry but that is completely off base. I'm not basing that premise on race whereas in your examples you clearly were. You made your arguement based around race not around gender, religion or anything else except race. Your the one that keeps bringing up how "black entertainers do this or use this schtick".

I don't know what you're getting at. You brought up GGW and women, I merely worked off the analogy you presented to make it relatable to what we are discussing here. That's how analogies work.
After that conversation we could then consider if Imus fit into that genre of comedy/parody. (And as I've said before, my opinion is as yet unformed on those questions.) I think those considerations would have yeilded a higher level of conversation.

If you consider making sexist, racist, and religious intolerant jokes to be funny than sure you can put Imus among that category of comedy/parody.

Thank you for answering the question. So does that answer apply equally to all races?
which loosely states if a white guys speaks racist jargon (comedic schtik included), it's racism. And I feel there's a similar thing that goes on within our own little thread here.

Seriously are you even paying attention at all have you read any of my posts? Let me reiterate AGAIN that my counterpoint to your arguement is that contrary to your own world where you see nothing (apparently) but black people making racist jokes or using demeaning language to one another; that is not the standard and it is not something that exists throughout all of black culture. Rappers and other entertainers that participate in this type of entertainment are not always indicative of all black people.

I can't believe you still persist in insulting my intelligence by insinuating I believe, or have suggested, otherwise.
Finally, this all relates to my comparsion to the GGW in that those women do not represent every woman that is under the age of 30 thus people should not feel that those videos or that forms of entertainment that depict women in a less than flattering light should not give anyone license to make disrespectful or sexist remarks CAPICE! Sorry for the run-on sentence.

And I think everyone in this thread, including you, easily understands that. I wouldn't insult your intelligence to suggest otherwise. Call me generous that way.
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4/10/2007  6:13 PM
I can't believe you still persist in insulting my intelligence by insinuating I believe, or have suggested, otherwise.

Well what should I believe about this statement you made:
The sort of language that Imus engaged in is on the verge of becoming mainstream in this society. That's the problem, and I contend that is because of the numbers of blacks who engage in it on a daily basis mores so than the occasional whites. To that you suggest it is driven by white media owners. Perhaps it is, but be that as it may, the language arose in some segment of "a" black community and is being promulgated by many prominent blacks on a daily basis. I don't see how that can be in dispute.

Thank you for answering the question. So does that answer apply equally to all races?

Nah just white people thats all; blacks, asians, latinos, fire away throw the racial insults at white people each other their own race. Now I hope you see how ridiculous that question is.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 04-10-2007 6:15 PM]
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4/10/2007  6:22 PM
Misterearl - Have you ever in your life cracked any jokes or made fun of a white person or latin person or asian person or any race or anything that has to do with there there heitage for the sake of trying to be funny in your life at that current moment

Me I can't judge Imus because I know I have definatly said comments around the lines that he has about other races as I have friends of all races. And they have gone off on me making jokes about my heitage.

It don't matter if its on national radio or not unless you have never ever stated any type of racial comment about someones heitage weather it be there food or anything. OR if you have never stated any type of sexist comment about one women compared to another. You are being a hipocrite(spell) in judging Imus.

I have no problem in Imus being fired if its to change the whole culture of people saying these things period.

But "Whoever is without sin cast the first stone"
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4/10/2007  6:32 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:



It don't matter if its on national radio or not

This is where you lost me

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4/10/2007  6:58 PM
Posted by Solace:

^ As bad as the Imus situation is, any insult of the Knicks is pretty gratifying. Our team does do a lot of chest bumping (celebrating) despite being one of the league's poorest teams for six years running.

This was actually said in the 90s about the Ewing Knicks. Mike Breen was the sports guy during the 90s. That's why he was reference and took part of that "sketch"

Mike Breen was actually asked in an interview about Imus a couple of years ago and he said that the show has gotten more risque. This is where Imus can't hide behind an apology because as Matt Lauder pointed out that Imus has been grilled before about comments and has offered up weak apologies. Each time he has said that he will change the direction of the program but as Mr. Lauder said a number of years later he is back with the apologies. Imus also went on Larry King and Tim Russert shows saying that pretends to critize guys like Sid Rosenberg and Bernard McGuirk but he doesn't feel empathy about what he says. He often cites that he is a grumpy old man as the main reason why he goes into rants. When conforted about these issues he often brings up the fact that he is a chartiable individual, he brings up his ranch for Kids with Cancer (by the way those children are not given a pass from his venom). He says that the kids like when he belittles them. I find that his Omar Minaya sketches are just as bad.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 10-04-2007 7:10 PM]
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