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playa2
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2/21/2007  1:20 PM
Posted by GhandiOrr:

http://www.homonomo.com/

Here's the link to "Doin' Time in The Homo No Mo Halfway House - How I Survived The Ex-Gay Movement"

It's a one man show by a guy who was a closet homosexual and an active missionary who went through the process of trying to de-gayify himself through a Christian 12-step sexual reprogramming retreat.

Obviously it didn't take. His piece is hilarious and very moving. He plays several different characters including his parents. He was on Montel Williams' just yesterday. When my wife and I went to see his one-man show, the doctor who delivered our children was in the audience with his boyfriend (who knew).

Check out his site for info and performance dates. You too, Playa2.



There is a potential for any organization, whether great or small, known or unknown to be potentially misleading and hurtful. That has never been more evident with the cases of companies like Enron and Martha Stewart and even the Catholic Church. There have been homeless shelters and gay pride organizations that have all been found with unethical dealings. Certainly, this does not arbitrarily preculde exgay organizations. And neither does it make them automatically suspect.



Have some gays been hurt by exgay ministries? Yes, thats possible. But just as many people have been hurt and damaged by embracing a gay doctrine of "out means happy". I advocate choice. So does God. He gives us the power to choose. If someone has come to the conclusion that being gay or lesbian is best for them, then we cannot force them to change that decision. All that we can do is inform them of the consequences of that choice.

Exgay ministries just like their counterparts who minister to drunks, drug addicts, gang bangers, prostitutes, the homeless, unwed mothers and the likes follow the same Christian evangelical mandate as given by Christ. They have an obligation ---regardless of political or social objections--- to be obedient to that call.

Many in the prohomosexual movement gleefully point to isolated cases and try to paint a broad picture of complete failure of change ministries. Such blackwashing tactics simply do not hold true under the simplest of logical counter-examination.

Thousands of students fail and flunk out of all types of programs, schools and institutions. Some of those who have written or presided over the programs have themselves become disgraced. Therefore it becomes intensely hypocritcal to make such applications to exgay ministries without acknowledging the same occurences in other organizations, even gay ones.

The truth is if one person changes from homosexuality, then the ministry is doing it's

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2/21/2007  1:30 PM
For those who want to know more or who don't believe it's possible

Here are some books of ex-gays who have overcome and have proved it's not a permanant thing being a homosexual.


http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/blkexgbks.html
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2/21/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by playa2:

For those who want to know more or who don't believe it's possible

Here are some books of ex-gays who have overcome and have proved it's not a permanant thing being a homosexual.


http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/blkexgbks.html


hahaha, i'm sorry..... but it you TRULY believe this, you are dumb/brainwashed.


[Edited by - jaydh on 02-21-2007 2:17 PM]
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2/21/2007  2:29 PM
I think this is one of a million threads where we're trying to convince somebody to change their mind on something, when in fact, you just can't do that. Obviously, Playa, you wont change your mind on gay people, despite the fact that science has proven many of the things that you disaprove. I personally think your opinions are quite outrageous to say the least, but they are your opinions and nothing can change that, and I think people have to respect that fact.

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2/21/2007  3:28 PM
I respect nothing about those opinions Allanfan, sorry. I understand the futility of trying to change a person's mind, but I dont think this thread is about trying to change the mind of Playa. Its more his personal thread to attack homosexuals and I find it highly offensive.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but allowing a bigoted person a public platform to vent his hate is dangerously close to crossing the line in my opinion.
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Posted by playa2:



Many in the prohomosexual movement gleefully point to isolated cases and try to paint a broad picture


In other words, like you were trying to universalize the Swoopes' case.
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2/21/2007  4:37 PM
Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.
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2/21/2007  4:45 PM
Posted by kam77:

I respect nothing about those opinions Allanfan, sorry. I understand the futility of trying to change a person's mind, but I dont think this thread is about trying to change the mind of Playa. Its more his personal thread to attack homosexuals and I find it highly offensive.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but allowing a bigoted person a public platform to vent his hate is dangerously close to crossing the line in my opinion.

Where did I state I hated homosexuals Kam?

You call me things because you don't agree with or undertand where I am coming from.

And you call me homophobic

What homophobic means:

Homophobia in it's technical sense denotes an "irrational fear of man". The word homo is from the latin genus which means man. Of course because gay language thieves have hijacked anything that remotely shows them in a negative light, the term "homophobia" has mutated to the extreme awful. It's original (possibly well) meaning is no longer recognizable among straight (no pun intended) thinking men and women.

Homophobia is now as deadly as a gallon of anthrax. Enemies of liberty use it as a weapon of intimidation and discrimination to destroy politicians, religious leaders, neighbors, corporate heads, anyone who would dare disagree with the elitist demagougery of the gay rights movement.

The "official" definition of homophibia as set forth by gay orthodoxy is an "irrational fear and hatred of lesbian and gay people that is produced by bias in a society or culture" ).

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2/21/2007  4:51 PM
Playa, the 'homo' in homophobia & homosexual comes from Greek and it means "the same" (also see: homonym, homogenize).
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2/21/2007  5:24 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent...

Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God.


But I am troubled by the notion that a person can "sin" their entire life and then be redeemed and saved at the last second. I think there is a problem with living for the afterlife, and being given a convenient last-second option.

As an agnostic I chose not to put my eggs in any particular basket and think the best path is to live for the here and now, and to serve our fellow man in the present. Not that I do a good job of it. But those who do good by others, purely out of a sense of humanitarianism, altruism and brotherhood, put humanity farther along than those who connive to win favor in the afterlife, or who feel they are permitted to sin with the option to repent at the last minute to be saved.

The priest who knows he's sinning while he molests a child expects to pay a price for his misdeeds, but also expects forgiveness and go to heaven. Isn't that convenient. Talk about a lack of accountability, or disincentive.

This repentance and redemption is like a free Get Out Of Jail card. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't many an evil dude who anticipate cashing theirs in on their way out.
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2/21/2007  5:33 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by kam77:

I respect nothing about those opinions Allanfan, sorry. I understand the futility of trying to change a person's mind, but I dont think this thread is about trying to change the mind of Playa. Its more his personal thread to attack homosexuals and I find it highly offensive.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but allowing a bigoted person a public platform to vent his hate is dangerously close to crossing the line in my opinion.

Where did I state I hated homosexuals Kam?

You call me things because you don't agree with or undertand where I am coming from.

And you call me homophobic

What homophobic means:

Homophobia in it's technical sense denotes an "irrational fear of man". The word homo is from the latin genus which means man. Of course because gay language thieves have hijacked anything that remotely shows them in a negative light, the term "homophobia" has mutated to the extreme awful. It's original (possibly well) meaning is no longer recognizable among straight (no pun intended) thinking men and women.

Homophobia is now as deadly as a gallon of anthrax. Enemies of liberty use it as a weapon of intimidation and discrimination to destroy politicians, religious leaders, neighbors, corporate heads, anyone who would dare disagree with the elitist demagougery of the gay rights movement.

The "official" definition of homophibia as set forth by gay orthodoxy is an "irrational fear and hatred of lesbian and gay people that is produced by bias in a society or culture" ).

Bisexuality, if universalized, doesn't halt the reproduction of the human race. Is that fine by your criteria, Playa?
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2/21/2007  5:34 PM
Posted by kam77:

I respect nothing about those opinions Allanfan, sorry. I understand the futility of trying to change a person's mind, but I dont think this thread is about trying to change the mind of Playa. Its more his personal thread to attack homosexuals and I find it highly offensive.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but allowing a bigoted person a public platform to vent his hate is dangerously close to crossing the line in my opinion.


That's true, I probably should have just said "There's nothing we can do so we might as well give up b/c he's always gonna be stating his opinion so long as we state ours."
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent...

Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God.


But I am troubled by the notion that a person can "sin" their entire life and then be redeemed and saved at the last second. I think there is a problem with living for the afterlife, and being given a convenient last-second option.

As an agnostic I chose not to put my eggs in any particular basket and think the best path is to live for the here and now, and to serve our fellow man in the present. Not that I do a good job of it. But those who do good by others, purely out of a sense of humanitarianism, altruism and brotherhood, put humanity farther along than those who connive to win favor in the afterlife, or who feel they are permitted to sin with the option to repent at the last minute to be saved.

The priest who knows he's sinning while he molests a child expects to pay a price for his misdeeds, but also expects forgiveness and go to heaven. Isn't that convenient. Talk about a lack of accountability, or disincentive.

This repentance and redemption is like a free Get Out Of Jail card. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't many an evil dude who anticipate cashing theirs in on their way out.

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Posted by newyorknewyork:

Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.

Science can lead to unambiguous conclusions, including that there is a huge genetic component to homosexuality and that treatments do not produce long-term change in sexual orientation. There are many questions science has not yet answered, but that does not invalidate questions it has already answered.
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2/21/2007  5:49 PM
Blue you never heard of the thief on the cross salvation with Jesus, who by acknowledging him as Lord and his kingdom asked for forgivness and Jesus told him today you will be with me in paradise. ?

Many people who did heinious crimes like son of sam(berkowitz), jeffery dahmer(eating human flesh) repented and excepted Jesus.

Dahmer was murdered in prison and Berkowitz is preaching in jail to this day.



How about the Apostle Paul very religious man in the bible days (but didn't know jesus) who we today would call a Serial Killer. He would go around killing christians and imprisoning them and thought he was doing God a favor, God stopped him on the road to Damascus with a light from heaven flashed around him and he fell to the ground . To make a long story short, God used him to write 2/3 of the new testament after his conversion.

[Edited by - playa2 on 02-21-2007 17:49]
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2/21/2007  5:52 PM
Playa, I am not familiar with all the figures you named, besides the guy on the cross, but I do think there's a difference between going in a situation, sinning and saying "I'll just pray for forgiveness afterwards." and actually sinning but sincerely being sorry for doing it. God, if you believe in him, knows the difference.

Blue, that's the only way one could probably explain it. Other than that, it would be inexplicable why people would be forgiven after commiting a life of sin and just saying you're sorry.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent...

Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God.


But I am troubled by the notion that a person can "sin" their entire life and then be redeemed and saved at the last second. I think there is a problem with living for the afterlife, and being given a convenient last-second option.

As an agnostic I chose not to put my eggs in any particular basket and think the best path is to live for the here and now, and to serve our fellow man in the present. Not that I do a good job of it. But those who do good by others, purely out of a sense of humanitarianism, altruism and brotherhood, put humanity farther along than those who connive to win favor in the afterlife, or who feel they are permitted to sin with the option to repent at the last minute to be saved.

The priest who knows he's sinning while he molests a child expects to pay a price for his misdeeds, but also expects forgiveness and go to heaven. Isn't that convenient. Talk about a lack of accountability, or disincentive.

This repentance and redemption is like a free Get Out Of Jail card. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't many an evil dude who anticipate cashing theirs in on their way out.

I was really talking about those who don't beleive in God, probably mostly because they never seen God. And sin because they don't believe in God. Everyone is going to get there chance to repent. Its not like if you don't believe in God you automatically go to hell when judgement time comes. Thats what I was trying to add to my post. Now for the priest who sin that way I can't really tell you how they are going to be judged by God if they repent. But you can't fool God, and he is going to judge your sins & your heart, not your title. Since God is perfect he is going to make the perfect judgement. If God was to accept a priest who has done a sin like that then, that man was worthy. But its also said that you shouldn't TEST God. And a Priest who sins like that though he believes in God is definatly testing God.

Blue whats the belief of a AGNOSTIC??
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2/21/2007  6:03 PM
Agnostic means you're not sure what you believe in.
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I don't think science has led to either of those conclusions.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.

Science can lead to unambiguous conclusions, including that there is a huge genetic component to homosexuality and that treatments do not produce long-term change in sexual orientation. There are many questions science has not yet answered, but that does not invalidate questions it has already answered.
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Posted by Allanfan20:

Agnostic means you're not sure what you believe in.

Oh okay thanks

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