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joec32033
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10/20/2006  5:05 AM
Decent article by Vescey on the topic. Says alot of stuff I was thinking.

October 20, 2006 -- HAD Isiah Thomas limited his harsh opinion of Greg Anthony's critical comments on ESPN about the Knicks' preference for Renaldo Balkman at No. 20 overall (over Marcus Williams, for instance) in last June's draft, he'd be well within his rights as team president and prime pusher of the seemingly peculiar pick.

After all, as Thomas underlined Wednesday to the Knicks' brow-beaten writers, he's pretty sure the NBA analyst never had beheld the South Carolina swingman when he spearheaded the widespread belittling of Balkman's selection on the network's draft show.

How did Anthony (and nearly every other roundball reviewer) know so authoritatively Balkman didn't deserve being taken in the middle of the first round? What made him so confident the Knicks could have gotten Balkman on the second round or as an undrafted free agent when five or six teams thought enough of him to arrange individual workouts?

What made Anthony dead sure the Knicks had bungled the pick?

The league's talent scouts hadn't thought enough of Balkman to include him in their thumbnails of what they considered the top draft candidates. That's the only reasonable answer. Balkman's name was nowhere to be found, and that made him and Thomas easy targets for Anthony & the Imperials.

Given Thomas' first-round draft track record with the Raptors (Damon Stoudemire, Tracy McGrady and Marcus Camby), I don't blame him a bit for calling out Anthony.

It would've been a lot more impressive, though, had Thomas ripped him right away and not waited until Balkman's passion plays and multi-faceted donations (averaging 8 points, 5.7 rebounds in three games) had elevated him into a Garden crowd pleaser.

Truth is, I'm unsure that particular criticism by Anthony is what finally detonated Thomas' ticking time bomb. Maybe the real reason he's been steaming all these months is because Anthony accused him of setting up Balkman and Mardy Collins (No. 29) with 3-year guaranteed contracts in order to make nice with agent Leon Rose, agent for both. Oh, yeah, he also happens to represent LeBron James.

As you recall, speculation was rampant at the time the Cavs' savior might not extend his contract, thus he'd be unrestricted to sign with New York, where he could make even more of an advertising killing than he is at present, after two more seasons. Shortly thereafter, James re-enlisted with the Cavs for five more seasons.

Is Thomas bent out of shape because Anthony figured out what he was up to; smart business, in my book. In fact, I conjured the exact same conspiracy when Thomas signed Jamal Crawford and Vin Baker, clients of Aaron Goodwin - James' agent du jour.

Or is Thomas simply seething because neither his first suspected plot nor the second paid off? At least in the short run. A high-level league source swears James will opt out early (after the 20011-12 season) from his new deal and join the Knicks.

Or maybe, just maybe, Thomas' rage is revenge served frozen. The draft wasn't the first time Anthony undercut him. Following the '03 Atlanta All-Star Game, Anthony claimed he overheard the East (Pacers) coach tell an aide early in the third quarter Celtics Paul Pierce (4-11 FG in 18 minutes) and Antoine Walker (6 points, nine minutes) had seen their last daylight. Thomas denied saying any such thing.

Maybe that's why this unexpected outburst appears personal. Had Thomas confined his rant-dition to Anthony's uninformed remarks about Balkman, this would've perceived as nothing more than potshots being returned belatedly. But Thomas crossed the line by demeaning Anthony as a player, branding him a traitor to a Knicks' franchise that drafted him and hired him as a part-time commentator, and proclaiming, if it's up to him, Anthony will never again work for the MSG Network.

Because Anthony drew a Knicks' paycheck and wore their uniform, Thomas promoted the illogical and outlandish notion that it's unfair to articulate anything remotely disparaging about the organization.

Thomas' venomous invective caught Mark Jackson off guard, so to speak. Reached by cell phone, the ex-Knick (and six other teams) and current ESPN/ABC colleague of Anthony's, said it surprised him because "Isiah knows how to say the right thing. He usually protects himself. It makes me think this is personal.

"Come on, Isiah understands Greg has a job to do, just as I do. If you're bad, you're bad. I'm an ex-Pacer as much as an ex-Knick, but when Ron Artest went into the stands I took him to task. At the end of the day, we're all held accountable as professionals.

"Reggie Miller played longer for the Pacers than Isiah did for the Pistons and a lot longer than Greg did with the Knicks," Jackson noted. "But it didn't stop him from condemning the organizations and Stephen Jackson. He knows he can't sugar-coat it or else I, for one, will turn the channel.

"What's Greg supposed to do? He's covering the whole NBA. Is he only supposed to speak his mind about teams he never played for, or players he's not friends with? Greg can't have any allegiance to the Knicks or any other organization. His loyalty is to the people who pay him and his audience, and must react to different topics according to what he knows, feels and believes.

"That's why this has to be personal," Jackson reiterated. "Isiah was part of the media. If he went on TV and didn't tell the truth about the Pistons I'd be very disappointed in him. In this business, you can't pick your spots to be sincere and up front. That's the first thing you're taught, the first thing you learn. At the end of the day, people have to respect you for telling the truth, at least your version of it. You've got to be true to yourself."


peter.vecsey@nypost.com


I agree 100% with the bold parts.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-20-2006 05:09 AM]
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10/20/2006  6:31 AM
That article is all BS. We have been over this before and it doesnt apply. The Reggie Miller situation is not similar. The Stephen Jackson incident cannot be seen as a good thing under any light. What Greg Anthoy said can very easily be proven wrong if Balkman does what he is doing in the regular season. IMO, we are well on our way to GA being proven wrong.

If Greg was uninformed and said something dumb, he made everything fair play. Quit trying to defend someone that spoke out of his ass. Greg should've either watched some tape of Balkman or waited till 1 preseason game to rip Isiah's pick. Instead he wasn't prepared to comment on the pick which is his job.
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10/20/2006  7:52 AM
Not because of this incident, thought relatedly, I'm not at all surprised that Marv Albert was fired under Isiah's watch.

The stuff with Shandon, Chaney, Marv, Anuscha, Wilkens, Larry, the entire trainer and medical staff... it's really too much ego from Isiah. Too much about him. That hubris and ego may have made him a great warrior on the court, but he's too petty and vindictive for high office.
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10/20/2006  8:05 AM
add Kurt, McDyess, Mutumbo as players that had less than flattering things to say about him.

I just wish we could move on from this era
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10/20/2006  8:27 AM
this has to be personal and here is the reason. greg anthony hadn't said anything different from what others have said. i mean, if you want a REAL critic who bashes the knicks, it is barkley. year after year since ewing was traded barkley has thrown dirt on the knicks and made fun of them as well as every decision they have made. but isaih didn't say peep about charles. even though kenny smith address the knicks more sympathetically he has said some colorful remarks against the knicks too. it would make more sense if thomas had mentioned the media collectively and not use names instead of anthony. so it is personal.
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10/20/2006  8:27 AM

Posted by fishmike:

add Kurt, McDyess, Mutumbo as players that had less than flattering things to say about him.

I just wish we could move on from this era

True. Plus AD with his "circus" comments.

There are just certain people who drama seems to follow everywhere. Isiah is one of them. Always involved in some sort of embroglio or another, and if they're not the victim of one or another they'll invent one all by themselves.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-20-2006 08:29 AM]
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10/20/2006  8:32 AM
All this stuff wont matter if the Knicks start off and play .500 basketball.
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10/20/2006  8:45 AM
Silver what do you think is better for the Knicks? What would you rather see? .500 play or a terrible start that see's Isiah axed by Christmas?
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10/20/2006  9:53 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Silver what do you think is better for the Knicks? What would you rather see? .500 play or a terrible start that see's Isiah axed by Christmas?
I honestly dont know. I have no clue what Isiah will do with this team. Its not that I am undecided or I'm on the fence. I cannot anticipate how Stephon, Lee, Frye and Curry will respond this year. Dolan said he'll give Isiah the whole year so there is little chance he will be gone by Christmas. Not even with a terrible start.
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10/20/2006  10:11 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

All this stuff wont matter if the Knicks start off and play .500 basketball.


This is dangerous short-term thinking. It's like people who always think this will be the telling season for Marbury, as if 10 years history is not enough. A little winning may do well to hide some issues for a time, but when you have major character issues brooding beneath the surface it may just be a delayed inevitability that they will erupt. So we bide our timing wishing for some level of mediocrity while waiting for the next bombshell to drop; be it a legal suit, another mis-hiring, a circus act, or otherwise.

Meanwhile, the greatest Piston of all time has little to no relationship to that franchise now. Why? He got the expansion Raptors off to a nice start with his drafting but left them abruptly over issues with ownership. He dropped the CBA like a hot potato as soon as Stern chose not to buy it, leaving that league and it's franchise owners high and dry and vastly over-extended. And since he's been here it's been a parade of high profile mishaps.

Sure winning will help (and for many, a losing season [say 39 wins] still constitutes winning) but it really just masks issues, it doesn't cure them.
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10/20/2006  10:18 AM
The Knicks are a tough team to root for the last 2 years. They have such good young kids that are easy to root for. Then you have a coach, gm and a vet that seem to be the opposite of what the words team and integrity are all about.
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10/20/2006  10:29 AM
good post BlueSeats. I dont want to live forever in 2 round of the playoffs. I really want the Knicks to win a championship too but you have to crawl before you can walk.
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10/20/2006  10:34 AM
Dolan never said Isiah will DEFINITELY have a year. He said he's got a year, but if we get off to a terrible start, hasn't that proven to us that we'll pretty much be bad, regardless? We've gotton off to terrible starts every season since being bad, and we also ended off poorly. I am pretty sure Dolan is tired of all of that and is quite aware that he's losing ticket purchasers (Like myself) by the minute. If he's off to a terrible start, Isiah is gone and he's got nowhere to hide. And honestly speaking, I am siding with Fishmike on that. I'm just sick of being a nervous wreck, thinking Isiah will pull off a horrible trade.
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10/20/2006  10:40 AM
I think I could be optimistic if we had someone with a good track record in the front office. I believe Isiah can be a decent coach. Even though his Indy teams didnt do well in the playoffs as a coach he certainly did an solid job developing those young players. Obviously he had a lot of talent to work with, but they all became good or great. Can he do the same w/ Frye, Lee, Nate, etc? I certainly hope, but my confidence is low w/ Grunwald helping out with the trades. Is there a more inept front office guy? My god, I would rather have had Layden return than that guy.
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10/20/2006  10:45 AM
isiah the coach, like lenny and larry before him, will suffer the same fate courtesy of isiah the GM.
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10/20/2006  11:55 AM
You just want to hide as a fan. Zeke is making everyone walk the plank to a miserable drowning death while capping it all off with a beheadment of himself with his own sword. This team will not win more than 33gms Mark my words.
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10/20/2006  12:31 PM
LMFAO @ the Bio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury
holy crap... thats too much
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10/20/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by fishmike:
LMFAO @ the Bio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury
holy crap... thats too much


Dude and what's comical that's about 60% of his ridiculousness cited on that page. It's missing some other major defaming info on Steph.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-20-2006 11:38 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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10/20/2006  1:29 PM
I was busy with work this week, so I missed most of this controversy, but...

Wow. Isiah went overboard. I guess the only bright side is that we know Zeke can understand Steph. It's funny, no one ever liked Isiah and I doubt anyone would respect him as a player if he hadn't willed the Pistons to constant playoff success and two championships - otherwise I think his career would be looked at very similar to Marbury's.

Eh, it doesn't bother me too much when either Isiah or Steph open their mouth like this. I don't watch ESPN and they're the only ones who make a big out of this like it matters. Who really cares? It's trash-talking, no worse than what we do to each other. I'm sure ESPN will do an outside the lines report about "Did Isiah cross the line when he attacked a reporter who was just doing his job, sniff" - BUT, Anthony is an ESPN employee who they are obviously going to protect. I hate ESPN. FAR too often, they become the story with their arrogant, blowhard crappy "analysts."

For what it's worth, I've ALWAYS felt Anthony has had an axe to grind with the Knicks. He always talks trash about them, warranted or unwarranted. Maybe he doesn't want to be seen as a Knicks lover, or maybe he's bitter that he was a backup here or maybe he's bitter that he was traded to Portland. Whatever. Greg clearly has some issues with how to handle his professional relationship with the Knicks and he's come out and said far worse than the Balkman comments and not in a humorous Bill Simmons way, so I don't have any problem calling him on it. There's supposed to be no bias in reporting and Anthony clearly has one with the Knicks.

A lot of ESPN analysts do. Does it bother anyone else that Steve Kerr always goes soft on the Bulls? He's friends with Paxson and he came out on an ESPN outside the lines report about the Curry trade and started spewing this unresearched bullsh!t about how Curry had the same thing Reggie Lewis had and it was irresponsible to let Curry play. It was clearly done to protect Paxson. ESPN really sucks. I can't watch sports center anymore, their baseball announcers make me want to pull my ears off, their "commentators" and "analysts" are jokes. Joe Thiesman? ugh. They have a few good people, but mostly it's crap. Not to mention their HD broadcasts are RARELY actually in HD.
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10/20/2006  1:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah the coach, like lenny and larry before him, will suffer the same fate courtesy of isiah the GM.
yea... too bad for us fans though

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