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Allanfan20
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11/22/2005  1:38 AM
Umm no, Frye is a liiiiiiiittle bit more skilled than Shane. Frye is a polished scorer who is going to average 20 a game. I can even see him being 20 and 8 down the road. He's a good ars player and will have a couple of all star seasons. He's a piece of a core. Garnett guarantees nothing, and if we don't win a championship, it will be people like you that say he's a loser and failure, b/c that's what we do to our stars. I'm sure Channing will hear plenty of it too.
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11/22/2005  1:43 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Umm no, Frye is a liiiiiiiittle bit more skilled than Shane. Frye is a polished scorer who is going to average 20 a game. I can even see him being 20 and 8 down the road.


If he can indeed put up 20 and 8 throughout his career, and increase his range and improve his defense and post game......he'll more or less become a Rasheed Wallace.

That's being VERY generous.

That said, I think I'd rather have 4 years of KG from 30-34 than Rasheed Wallace his entire career (minus the attitude problem).

That's how good KG is...

MVP good.



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-22-2005 01:43 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  1:51 AM
Dude, stop with the RaWeed comparisons. They are 2 totally different players. Raweed stands around until it's his time to score. Frye gets others involved by moving around ALL THE TIME setting picks and screens. That's why he's open for the J so much. And his defense is already pretty good. He could very well turn out to be BETTER than Weed. He has the skills and athleticism. He's healthy, and he's SMART and he's working hard. What makes you think he can't? Are you watching the games?
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11/22/2005  1:54 AM
Like I said, he reminds me of nothing more than a big man version of Tayshaun Prince.

Let him prove me wrong before you shoot me down...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  3:35 AM
I agree with Attaboy. No Frye, No Curry...no younguns. Infact Jackie spent some time in Minny prior to going to the NBL. I love KG but his presence would not guarantee a ring. He'll only be able to get it if he has the supporting cast in place (i.e. Curry, Frye, Lee, Ariza, Marbs, Nate and Craw).

AD, Penny, Q & MoT(expiring and soon to be expirings) in any combination are the only trades i'd consider for KG (w/Wally).

Mchale either makes the trade or doesn't. He does we give him the 25 million in expirings. He doesn't...we walk away and don't look back.
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11/22/2005  4:00 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

He does we give him the 25 million in expirings.


25 Million below the cap you mean...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-22-2005 04:00 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  4:05 AM
It's defenitely a win now trade if you ask me. Would I be happy with it? I'd need more than 9 pages of bickering back and forth to convince me. I think that KG is going to be DONE soon. Did you see the wrinkles on this guys forehead? I mean ****, he looks old, and soon enough, he will be breaking down. I do feel he's coming to the Knicks, but for FRYE? I wouldn't do that trade. We're getting a broken down SG in Wally....He's damaged, just like Grant Hill, and KG. And then we have to give up Nate? I'd love to keep Nate, Frye and Curry. Trade everyone else. I don't give a ****... Frye will become a beast in this league in two years.
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11/22/2005  6:39 AM
Billups also couldn't get out of the first rd with a 25-26yr old Kevin Garnett and wasn't resigned by the wolves.

If Billups could become a better player under Brown so can Marbury. Why do some of us act like it is impossible. Just like some acted like it was impossible for Marbury to play defense after last season. If you don't believe in Marbury then believe in Larry Brown.

Marbury will master this system and while he won't be a superstar scorer or superstar passer or superstar defender he will be a more all around player than he has ever been. I can bet you that Nash wishes he could take away a little bit of his vision/passing ability to become better defensivly, and Kidd would take away a little of his vision/passing ability to be a better scorer. Those 2 are elite pure pgs but they have flaws in there games just like everyone else. Marbury might never have there pure pg instincs(spell?) but he has a better chance to be a more consistant all around PG then either of them. Under the right coaching of course.
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11/22/2005  7:00 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Billups also couldn't get out of the first rd with a 25-26yr old Kevin Garnett and wasn't resigned by the wolves.

If Billups could become a better player under Brown so can Marbury. Why do some of us act like it is impossible. Just like some acted like it was impossible for Marbury to play defense after last season. If you don't believe in Marbury then believe in Larry Brown.

Marbury will master this system and while he won't be a superstar scorer or superstar passer or superstar defender he will be a more all around player than he has ever been. I can bet you that Nash wishes he could take away a little bit of his vision/passing ability to become better defensivly, and Kidd would take away a little of his vision/passing ability to be a better scorer. Those 2 are elite pure pgs but they have flaws in there games just like everyone else. Marbury might never have there pure pg instincs(spell?) but he has a better chance to be a more consistant all around PG then either of them. Under the right coaching of course.
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11/22/2005  8:27 AM
Duncan was a good player when he came in but he had David Robinson getting most of the attention. He was not the premier player he beame. As a matter of fact, it was not considered a strong draft at the top that year. Robinson was considered the best of a weak group.
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11/22/2005  8:54 AM
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Please tell me you did not just say marbury was the best player on the olympic team, i hope that was a joke........

He wasn't even one of the top 5 players on the team by a long shot......marbury is me first, and he whines and won't listen because he thinks he is a star, superstars have more than two all-star appearance under their belt in 10 years
Who said Marbury was the best player on the olympic team? I didn't read every one of the 250 replies on this thread. I must have missed that one.

I said it, he it was stated last year. Marbury was considered one of the best players on the team. Iverson said it, Tim Duncan said it, Lebron said it, Amare said it. That team was so disappointing that the key win they had to just get the bronze medal was due to Marbury's play. Even Brown had to admit that. He set Olympic record for scoring. Nobody on that team could even shoot the ball. Don't let me have to reference news reports for the Olympics, now.

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11/22/2005  9:05 AM
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Posted by WOODMANnYk:
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I don't want KG over here The guy is almost 30 with suspected iffy knees... If we had to get him, trust me, we would be cutting our throats by unloading several of our youngsters along with some expiring contracts..

I personally believe it's not worth it!!! I rather take my chances on Lebron who is only 22 and has some upside.. That would be within the next yr or so..

Garnett does not perform in the clutch!! In his MVP yr, Lakers shut him down throughout the series.. 4 yrs old i would go for him but he's close to 30....

I say we live and die with the young knicks...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 9:00 PM]


we can always get youngsters. If we're going to be as bad as people think we're going to be with KG then we'll have a pick in the 15-20 range every year for Isiah to work his magic. My point is you can replace Frye. You can't replace KG! unless you truly rebuild and even then its a crapshoot

Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]


I don't think Frye will ever put up 24pts let alone 13rebs & 6assists. I'll be happy if Frye can average 7rebs someday and play half the defense KG plays

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11-21-2005 11:26 PM]

Are you kidding, he putting up 13.2 points per game with only 20 mpg. You have all-stars who can't do that. Once again, it is about watching these games. That was fine to say that stuff before the season began because no one knew what he was capable of but now the season has started. We are 1/8 in the season. It is not just some people on this board who think he is capable of it, it is NBA analyzist (the guys at ESPN are crazy about him, Rod Thorn said he was the best big men in the draft)as well that saying this guy is capable of scoring at will. The complaints about Frye now is rebounding which look at his numbers per mpg. Are you now telling me that he will get worst for no reason rather than better. Go to NBADRAFT.net who had him as a low ceiling guy added that he has a vast upside. Funny how things change quickly once they actually play the games. And get this he likes to be the money guy.

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11/22/2005  9:14 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:


Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]

Frye is a nice player but he will never be the player KG is. We can't be overvaluing our youngsters guys.
It is possible!!! He went to an established institution for 4 yrs under a legendary coach named Lute olson. Frye is very fundamentally sound and polished.. Last big man player spending 4 yrs and recongized as being polished was Tim Duncan. Even MArbury admits he's nice and will perhaps be the best top 3 rookies out there.. HE's getting a good start in the NBA under another legendary coach in Brown.

Tim was the national player of the year, and a 4th year 20 year old when he was the overall no. 1 pick.

YOu points are very good and I think what your saying is Fryes upside might be more considerable than some might allow. Isiah was very high on this kid for many reasons and regardless of age some kids physically mature a bit later. Eddie has been a man for some time size wise, but lacks so much fundamentally, yet we say his upside is still considerable. Frye by nature if 4 years of school MIght the be reverse, but we cap his potential because of it?



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11/22/2005  3:51 PM
Yes, if Isiah can avoid dealing Frye that would be great.

I'm all for keeping Frye.


BUT.....if Frye becomes a dealbreaker for the Wolves, you take the plunge no matter HOW good you think this kid can become.

B/c forever how old KG is, and however "poor" his knees are, and however past his prime he is, he's still putting up the league's best numbers and still is an MVP threat until his contract ends.

Like it's been noted, Ewing had good years b/w 30 and 34. And his knees were shot long before that.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  3:55 PM
The league is full of bad, undealable contracts because idiots have always thought good players would never get hurt of decline. It boggles the mind how people can be so stupid. Max deal, meet Allan Houston, Penny Hardaway, etc. etc...
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11/22/2005  3:59 PM
What about AI?

AI's older than KG. He's logged what FEELS like just as many minutes. You guys telling me, hypothetically, you wouldn't give up Frye for a player of Iverson's caliber (forget Marbury for a second).

What about Shaq?

Nash?

Camby?

Ray Allen?


These are all "past their prime" players still putting up impressive numbers. And guess what -- KG is putting up better numbers than ANY of them.

For any of you to have the audacity to assume Frye will become something special is beyond me.

Special? How....special exactly? KG special? Ewing special?

How about Rasheed Wallace special? Maybe not even? Tayshaun Prince special?

Truth is -- he doesn't have the talent to become anything close to a KG. His work ethic will allow him to improve if he hits his stride, but exactly how good are you expecting him to become?

He's not even a dominant-type player. His stats come as assists from Marbury. He hasn't shown an aptitude for creating for himself yet. That's the difference b/w role players and stars -- being able to create for yourself. His post game is limited.

Call me when he starts doing crossover, pull-up jumpers like KG.


SHUT DOWN.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/22/2005  4:03 PM
Great post Bobs. I don't disagree one bit. KG is a once in a lifetime player in this league and the objective is put the BEST PLAYERS on the floor night in and night out. If you ever get lucky to get a chance to put Kevin Garnett on the floor with your uniform on you do it no if's and's or but's. KG has not even shown the slightest bit of slowing down and he's nearing 30. Shaq never won ANYTHING until he was 30 and changed to a different address across the United States, so that argument doesn't fly with me. GET KG.
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11/22/2005  4:05 PM
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11/22/2005  4:06 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

I don't want KG over here The guy is almost 30 with suspected iffy knees... If we had to get him, trust me, we would be cutting our throats by unloading several of our youngsters along with some expiring contracts..

I personally believe it's not worth it!!! I rather take my chances on Lebron who is only 22 and has some upside.. That would be within the next yr or so..

Garnett does not perform in the clutch!! In his MVP yr, Lakers shut him down throughout the series.. 4 yrs old i would go for him but he's close to 30....

I say we live and die with the young knicks...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 9:00 PM]


we can always get youngsters. If we're going to be as bad as people think we're going to be with KG then we'll have a pick in the 15-20 range every year for Isiah to work his magic. My point is you can replace Frye. You can't replace KG! unless you truly rebuild and even then its a crapshoot

Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]


I don't think Frye will ever put up 24pts let alone 13rebs & 6assists. I'll be happy if Frye can average 7rebs someday and play half the defense KG plays

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11-21-2005 11:26 PM]

Are you kidding, he putting up 13.2 points per game with only 20 mpg. You have all-stars who can't do that. Once again, it is about watching these games. That was fine to say that stuff before the season began because no one knew what he was capable of but now the season has started. We are 1/8 in the season. It is not just some people on this board who think he is capable of it, it is NBA analyzist (the guys at ESPN are crazy about him, Rod Thorn said he was the best big men in the draft)as well that saying this guy is capable of scoring at will. The complaints about Frye now is rebounding which look at his numbers per mpg. Are you now telling me that he will get worst for no reason rather than better. Go to NBADRAFT.net who had him as a low ceiling guy added that he has a vast upside. Funny how things change quickly once they actually play the games. And get this he likes to be the money guy.


but thats the problem, Marbury should not be allowed to do everything on an ALL WORLD TEAM. If they had one the Gold then its one thing but they didn't. Might as well have sent Marbury to the Olympics along with a bunch of CBA players. How in the world does Duncan dominate international competition? All of Larry 's effort went into figuring out what to do with Marbury. He wasn't getting the plays. They were running out of time so Larry gave in and let him take over. I would take the good things Marbury's teammates said about him with a grain of salt. Yes not have a pure jumpershooter hurt but that can't be the only reason an all world team would lose
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11/22/2005  4:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Great post Bobs. I don't disagree one bit. Shaq never won ANYTHING until he was 30 and changed to a different address across the United States

Thanks.

And Shaq was about 28 when he won his 1st championship. But the fact still remains...KG is still putting up the best numbers in the league. He's a DOMINANT force. Frye will never have that type of impact.

He makes championship dreams worthy of having...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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