Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I hate Kobe but he has played incredibly the last 2 games.

The putz can do this whenever he wants but he had to come to terms that points are not that important.

After the team fell 8 games under 500....

yeah - he's a prick but he can still save them

They're in a bad position. They're probably going to have to play .650 ball the rest of the season just to make the playoffs. That means getting the 8th seed and having a VERY tough first round match-up that they'll likely lose. To get a favorable first round match-up, they're probably going to have to play well above .700 (maybe closer to .800) ball the rest of the way. This from a .400 team right now.

Wow...Why cant you use this type of logic when you are ripping Melo's playoff record in Denver? Not one time do I remember you saying Denver loss because they didn't have a favorable match-up as a 6-7 or 8 seed. You even capitalized the VERY....

And I dislike Kobe but must respect him, I enjoyed Chris Child's punch in the face very much at the time he already had the arrogant "ALL STAR Syndrome"

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

RonRon wrote:I never imagined Noah would become a TOP tier center in the entire league, I saw him closer to a role player like Joel Prizbilla
Never thought he would be able to translate his game at the NBA level
The hustle/big body/relentless not very talented type, but boy was I wrong
He has improved so much since his Gator days along with David Lee

Really? He was crazy good in college and a lock down defender and rebounder.

I am a UF fan so I have followed him closely and he always had this in him. He just needed to get stronger. I am just glad he didn't get down on himself and go the Tyson Chandler route(no offense to Tyson) and not work on his offensive game outside of outbacks and lobs. I still remember him leading the breaks at UF regularly. He probably has the best handle at the center position.

The better Noah, Horford, and Brewer become the better that UF team will look in history. By the way this year UF team is not bad with a 25+ scoring diff.

Well I was wrong about Noah and I do agree that the UF has produced some quality players, you left out David Lee for too
Brady Beal being their newest addition to the NBA

Yellowboy, I assume you are quite high on Patric Young then?
A little bit of Horford/Brand size and ceiling but with Noah's work ethic/motor/intensity
Is that a fair compareasin?
I have only watched a couple of games this year and they are a well coached team

He could be available with our projected draft pick for this summer
I think he could be a solid player but not a high ceiling, but then again, I never imagined Noah to becoming a top tier C in the NBA

Beal and Lee come from the same H.S.

I was just talking about the bigs on that national championship team who made into the league. I am big on David he came in with James White but he transferred out like a lot of UF signees under Donavan. It's funny because David Lee was a Senior when Horford/Noah was there and the upperclassmen had trouble with them. Also, BD has put out Haslem, Matt Bonner, and Speights.

In regards to Pat the size is kind of off. He is around their height but with the build of Lebron. Seriously that dude is a full grown man.

His work ethic/intensity is no where near Noah's but he is picking it up. He actually was benched(didn't start) one game early in the season and since then he has been great. Hustling on D and giving good effort on O. One thing a Billy D big will have is a left and right hand hook. I think if he continues to improve he will be a a very nice player. He needs another year but if he did come out he would be a 2nd round pick that will earn a spot on a team. He needs to be more of a dog on the boards and have better conditioning but he does play hard even when he tired so that's good. He also needs to develop his jumper he takes it rarely but has good form though. UF is a heavy PnR team but the guards do not look for him enough off the pick. He is basically Tyson Chandler except he has some post moves. If he comes out I would take him based on his potential. He is on Ezeli Level right now but with potential to be better. His quickness to hedge and get back is what is going to get him playing time. I could see a team like CHicago picking him up in the 2nd round if he does come out. Hopefully Ny does like they should have gotten Parsons. I hope Pat stays where he can take the next step like Parsons did and Lee did in their Senior years.

Who I really like is Erik Murphy. The kid is Matt Bonner but with some low post game. He also shown he can take guys off the dribble. He is really the ultimate stretch four. He might be a 2nd round pick based off his shooting but he needs to get stronger in lower body. He struggles making plays through contact but is good with either hand finishing at the rim. He has good genes his dad was drafted in the second round and his brother is a freshman at Duke.

Acutually Melo did it a bit yesterday letting felton play off the ball at the wing.

Kobe can handle it.

That team is talented enough that if the players are bought into the system then can succeed.

I agree, I like Patric Young but just feel he isn't 1st round worthy, maybe early/mid 2nd round and a team like Spurs/Bulls with discipline will draft him

About Kobe, Dantoni does not have the players to run SSOL, Kobe is accepting the challenge and changing his game to making his team better
He could continue to chase his PTs or do something else to try to W, and he deserves credit for it
Stopping the "Kobe" "Chucking" system that NO ONE can play off

RonRon wrote:but NBA and college is completely different levels of competition, not to mention zone DEFENSE
Noah not only got bigger/stronger to fill up his body, but he also got more athletic/agility/quickness/speed which is very surprising since he bulked up much and improved it vs just maintaining those physical qualities

In addition, he gained much more BB skills, improved his all areas of his game from shooting/posting up/dribble/passing

Did you really think Noah was going to be even nearly as successful as he is right now when he was a Gator?

Just off some of our recent possible picks alone...

Holiday
Iman
Wilson Chandler
Aldridge
Noah

David Lee

So although Dolan would never allow it to happen, judging from our recent picks alone, it is possible to rebuild through the draft alone in NY, without multiple top 3 picks like OKC did....

Exactly thats why I laugh when people try to tell me building through the draft doesn't guarantee anything. It does if you know what you are doing

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Kobe is running "Linsanity". MDA creed is put the ball in the best players hands and let him be responsable. He tried it with Melo.

Acutually Melo did it a bit yesterday letting felton play off the ball at the wing.

Kobe can handle it.

That team is talented enough that if the players are bought into the system then can succeed.

It's still not pretty..The team is still watching Kobe pound the rock for 20 sec then dish the ball in the end...I guess that's better than him shooting in the end...The thing is, Nash should have the ball..

I agree, but Kobe don't play well with others. He never paired with another great PG before.

Payton was well past his prime and they did get to finals but no bling that year. Derek fisher to me was not a great PG but an effective loyal 2 guard. MDA gotta find someting to work or drive the "point" home and build trust.

gunsnewing wrote:

RonRon wrote:but NBA and college is completely different levels of competition, not to mention zone DEFENSE
Noah not only got bigger/stronger to fill up his body, but he also got more athletic/agility/quickness/speed which is very surprising since he bulked up much and improved it vs just maintaining those physical qualities

In addition, he gained much more BB skills, improved his all areas of his game from shooting/posting up/dribble/passing

Did you really think Noah was going to be even nearly as successful as he is right now when he was a Gator?

Just off some of our recent possible picks alone...

Holiday
Iman
Wilson Chandler
Aldridge
Noah

David Lee

So although Dolan would never allow it to happen, judging from our recent picks alone, it is possible to rebuild through the draft alone in NY, without multiple top 3 picks like OKC did....

Exactly thats why I laugh when people try to tell me building through the draft doesn't guarantee anything. It does if you know what you are doing

you sure can.... which is why I like protecting your assets...there is no guarantee that a guy you draft will work out, but it is good to have your picks, multiple picks, to increase your chances of landing good talent... It takes an owner and fanbase with patience, and owner with a plan and the mindset of not deviating from that plan..