ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Thank you for pointing out that the article is outdated, I missed that. Apparently, upon conducting some additional research, Biden has provided a certain degree of relief. I was wrong. It's far from what he promised, and on October 1 there will be interest that will start accruing... but I definitely was off when I said that he has done nothing.

Bro you were not just wrong but also you failed at the simple task of using google effectively for like 2 seconds. Even though you tried multiple times.

You don’t even pay attention to what you are reading when you take the time to actually do that.

Do better man. Like by a lot.

I admitted to both. But thank you for kindly rubbing it in my face afterwards. Classy

Classy?

ramtour, I don’t **** around in this space. This **** has real world consequences and there are people out there spewing disinformation - whether by accident, on purpose, or for lack of trying - and you did just that.

If it takes you more than a couple back and forths and then additional tries with Google and you still can’t come up with simple stuff, you gotta start worrying about something else and start trying a different way.

fwiw, Martin is offering you some solid advice.

In general, it's better to put in the effort to be well-informed and avoid coming across (with anyone and in any forum) like a posturing opinion-slinger. A key facet of that would be open mindedness and a willingness to embrace information outside the boundaries of your preconceptions.

+1 to what Martin said...you ought to take what you can from it because it WILL help you more broadly than at UK.

You are absolutely right. I did assume that what I heard from the media was a fact. One should always check info for accuracy and I learned that lesson. I actually really like to get to the bottom of things. I didn't realize I sound like a posturing opinion -slinger. I guess I have some growing up to do as an adult

This is where I got my Biden misinformation from by the way

You get your news from a YouTube channel called HiRezTV run by this guy. He has a very appropriate Barbie flare to him. I would be a teensy hesitant with what he has to say but that’s just me. It’s not the pink hoodie so much so the glasses and beard and “hey, how *you* doin’?” sideway glance. Maybe, just maybe, not entirely passable news worthy.

We need to start a different type of conversation. And it starts with you.

Ok. Let's start a different conversation. Insulin is free for all diabetics in Russia, we have government sponsored healthcare. It doesn't matter how old you are, what age group or what pre-existing conditions one has. All.Healthcare.Is.Free.( except dental)

You may want to think about what the true cost of that medicine is.
We also have a place for you here. Where three meals a day are free. Free warm bed. Free heat, water and electric. High high security. Free arts and crafts. Free educational courses. Free mental support groups. And yes, free medical assistance and care. Only problem is that most of your freedoms will be stripped and everyone around you has little knowledge of the outside world. But that does not seem to be important to you.

ramtour420 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Thank you for pointing out that the article is outdated, I missed that. Apparently, upon conducting some additional research, Biden has provided a certain degree of relief. I was wrong. It's far from what he promised, and on October 1 there will be interest that will start accruing... but I definitely was off when I said that he has done nothing.

Bro you were not just wrong but also you failed at the simple task of using google effectively for like 2 seconds. Even though you tried multiple times.

You don’t even pay attention to what you are reading when you take the time to actually do that.

Do better man. Like by a lot.

I admitted to both. But thank you for kindly rubbing it in my face afterwards. Classy

Classy?

ramtour, I don’t **** around in this space. This **** has real world consequences and there are people out there spewing disinformation - whether by accident, on purpose, or for lack of trying - and you did just that.

If it takes you more than a couple back and forths and then additional tries with Google and you still can’t come up with simple stuff, you gotta start worrying about something else and start trying a different way.

fwiw, Martin is offering you some solid advice.

In general, it's better to put in the effort to be well-informed and avoid coming across (with anyone and in any forum) like a posturing opinion-slinger. A key facet of that would be open mindedness and a willingness to embrace information outside the boundaries of your preconceptions.

+1 to what Martin said...you ought to take what you can from it because it WILL help you more broadly than at UK.

You are absolutely right. I did assume that what I heard from the media was a fact. One should always check info for accuracy and I learned that lesson. I actually really like to get to the bottom of things. I didn't realize I sound like a posturing opinion -slinger. I guess I have some growing up to do as an adult

This is where I got my Biden misinformation from by the way

That video was really funny! Biden the doddling old McGoo always gets a laugh.

Still, no denying he has accomplished a **** ton in his first term, the pharma price controls is hardly his only accomplishment. I don't think he just got lucky.

For the next time some idiot tries to tell you the GOP is 'The Party of Business'.

Thom Hartmann

August 30, 2023
.

As predictably as the sun rises and sets, every Sunday sees a commentator or politician on one of the Sunday political talk shows say — without being challenged — words to the effect that the Republican Party understands and supports business better than Democrats. This weekend, as I recall, it was CNN‘s turn.

All my life, in fact, I’ve been told by the media that the GOP is the “party of business.”

.  
It may have once been true when I was a very young child, but today it’s a lie — and has been so in a huge way since the neoliberal Reagan Revolution.

Between 1933 and 2020 there were 14 American presidents, 7 Democratic and 7 Republican.

The economy during this time grew at an average rate of 4.6% under the Democratic presidents, but only an anemic 2.4% under Republican presidents. For example, the economy has grown three times faster under Biden than under Trump.

Ten of the past 11 recessions began under Republican presidents, although lifelong Republican and Trump Fed appointee Jerome Powell seems hell-bent on producing one for Joe Biden, just in time for the 2024 election.

Republican presidents have exploded the national debt, while the only balanced budgets out of the past 60 years have been presented by Democratic presidents Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

Bill Clinton left George W. Bush a $128 billion surplus (after 4 consecutive years of budget surpluses): Bush immediately squandered it with a massive tax cut for billionaires and two criminal wars.

Just last year, President Biden decreased federal spending by $550 billion and reduced the deficit by $1.4 trillion — the largest one-year deficit drop in American history — all while creating five times more jobs in 2 years than the last three Republican presidents combined.

If not for the Reagan, Bush, and Trump tax cuts for billionaires and the two wars George W. Bush lied us into, our national debt would today be zero instead of over $30 trillion.

The core of American business and thus the livelihood of American communities before Reagan was small- and medium-sized companies.

We enforced anti-trust laws so aggressively that when Buster Brown and Kinney shoe companies wanted to merge in the 1960s the Supreme Court blocked the merger because the combined company would control about 5 percent of the US shoe market. Nike alone today controls around 20 percent of that market.

Small- and medium-sized companies built America and brought us the American middle class, the first and largest middle class in the world. But in 1983, when Reagan ordered the DOJ, FTC, and SEC to stop enforcing anti-trust laws dating back to the Sherman Act of 1890, giant corporations began a relentless campaign to destroy locally-owned companies.

Strip malls and small-town downtowns that were once mostly home to local retailers are now dominated by giant monopolistic national chains. Big Box stores, spreading across the country unconstrained since Reagan, have been wiping out small towns and rural communities.

One study found, as Reuters reported:

“[T]he closer a store was to the Walmart location, the greater the likelihood it would close. Persky and his colleagues found that for every mile closer to the Walmart, 6 percent more stores closed. Close in around the store's location, between 35 and 60 percent of stores closed.”

For most American businesses and the communities they serve, Republican governance has been a disaster since the Reagan 1980s.

In the 1950s, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower championed building tens of thousands of new public schools all across America, an effort supported by the business community because an educated workforce is a productive workforce.

From the early days of the Industrial Revolution, Americans were proud that we had one of the best-educated workforces in the world, and that itself was a huge boost to business.

In 2010, though, when fossil fuel billionaires bankrolled the Tea Party and were looking for an issue to beat up on Democrats in the 2010 and 2012 elections, they seized on the national standards for education program conceived and legislatively initiated by both Republicans and Democrats called “Common Core.”

Although it had been endorsed by the US Chamber of Commerce and GOP presidential front-runner Jeb Bush (among others) and was in place in 45 states, word went out that it was an effort to “indoctrinate” American students.

The story ran day after day on Fox “News” and rightwing hate radio. Hysteria followed, and Red state after Red state outlawed these new high standards for high-school graduation. Republican grandstanding for political gain actually dumbed down America.

The 2020 version of this was Critical Race Theory, another equally bogus attack on public education. Between this, “Don’t Say Gay,” and banning thousands of books, the Republican war on public education has blossomed into full flower.

Now, Republican states are trying to shut down their public schools altogether via state-wide voucher programs, replacing Eisenhower’s AAA+ education system with state-funded religious and rightwing for-profit schools that refuse to teach actual science, civics, or American history.

Arizona was the first to go statewide with vouchers, and Republican legislators in Texas, Florida, Kansas, and a dozen other GOP-run states are considering the same. It’s quite simply an all-out effort to destroy public education and subsidize religious schools and private all-white academies for upper-middle-class people who can take advantage of a voucher that only covers part of the cost of tuition.

The only option left for the very poorest people will be the few remaining public schools, essentially turning them into ghettos.

Republican President Dwight Eisenhower ran for re-election in the 1956 election by bragging that he’d expanded Social Security across America, and his 1952 election was mostly powered by his enthusiastic endorsement of unionization.

At a speech before the American Federation of Labor (AFL) in 1952, Eisenhower noted that the first national legalization of unions in America was signed by Republican President Calvin Coolidge, the 1926 Railway Labor Act.

“Only a handful of unreconstructed reactionaries harbor the ugly thought of breaking unions,” he told the union group now known as the AFL-CIO, the nation’s largest. “Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of the right to join the union of their choice.”

Similarly, in September of 1970 President Richard Nixon hosted labor leaders from across America, praising the movement. As The New York Times noted on September 8, 1970:

“When the ‘great issue’ has been whether to support the President and to meet the nation’s responsibilities ‘for defending and protecting the forces of freedom in the world,’ he said, ‘American labor has never been found wanting. It has always been the first in war and in peace.’”

As a result of combined Democratic and Republican support of unions, by Reagan’s election in 1980 about two-thirds of all American workers had a union job or it’s equivalent, with great pay, benefits, and retirement plans, because a third of workers were union members and that set the pay and benefits floor for the non-union employers to compete for another third of workers.

But, following Nixon putting Lewis Powell on the Supreme Court in 1971, the GOP began to adopt the positions in the Powell Memo, which included gutting labor unions so the morbidly rich could become even richer.

Their rationale was that workers having a say in the workplace had “destabilized” America, a point first made in 1951 by Russell Kirk in his book The Conservative Mind that I detailed two years ago here.

President Reagan, however, declared war on organized labor with his attack on the PATCO union. Ever since, the GOP has been fighting efforts to expand unionization.

Combined with Reagan’s massive tax cuts for billionaires and giant corporations, this loss of union representation has led to a $50 trillion transfer of wealth from the homes and retirement accounts of working-class people straight into the money bins of the morbidly rich.

Instead of two-thirds of Americans having a middle-class lifestyle like in 1980, today that number is down to around 45 percent of us. As a result, both poverty and homelessness have exploded across the land. And poor and homeless people can’t afford to support a strong economy — and thus American business — the way a prosperous middle class can.

Dwight Eisenhower created the Small Business Administration to “aid, counsel, assist, and protect insofar as is possible the interests of small-business concerns.”

He signed a massive expansion of Social Security to take the pension/retirement onus off small- and medium-sized employers, increased the minimum wage so a prospering working class could purchase the products of American manufacturers, and built low-income housing across the nation to end the homeless “hobo” problem left over from the Republican Great Depression.

Eisenhower created from scratch the Department of Health, Education and Welfare to build a healthy and well-educated workforce, while Richard Nixon signed the Environmental Protection Agency into law to save the lives of American workers being killed by toxic pesticides and other chemicals (the agency’s creation was provoked by Rachel Carson’s book Silent Spring).

Today’s GOP opposes all of these programs and agencies. They only support the largest American companies and the richest citizens.

When Trump was president, he rolled back regulation of toxic pesticides known to cause brain damage to children, and one of his first official acts in office was to end the prohibition of coal mines dumping their toxic waste and tailings into America’s rivers, polluting downstream water supplies with cancer-causing chemicals.

Arguably, the best policy possible for American businesses of all sizes is the Medicare For All program promoted for decades by progressive Democrats.

Back in 2004, Toyota announced they’d be opening a new factory in North America. Three southern US states offered them billions in tax advantages and free land, with the Republican governor of Alabama openly bragging about how cheaply his citizens would work for the company.

But in the end, in 2005, Toyota announced they’d be building the factory in Ontario, Canada because US healthcare costs are nearly twice those of Canada, which has had a successful Medicare For All system in place for more than a half-century (as I lay out in The Hidden History of American Healthcare: Why Sickness Bankrupts You and Makes Others Insanely Rich).

Since then, as Republicans (and a few bought-off Democrats) continue to fight any effort to establish a national healthcare or health insurance system, the company has built two more North American factories in Canada.

If it wasn’t for Republican obstruction, they would’ve been built here and the jobs would be here.

The simple reality is that Republicans have no coherent plans for the American economy beyond more tax cuts for their morbidly rich donors and more deregulation of the very largest and most polluting corporations.

To compensate for this deficiency, they push hate against queer people, public school teachers, women, and dark-skinned immigrants. DeSantis has gone so far as to attack Disney, Florida’s largest employer and source of tax revenues, because they had the temerity to respect their gay, lesbian, and trans employees and customers.

Republicans have banned hundreds of books from public schools and libraries, saturated our towns and cities with weapons of war, banned women’s access to reproductive healthcare, and packed our courts with judges who’d be comfortable with the American Nazi movement, the Federalist Society, and the John Birch Society.

Not only are these policies and positions bad for America, they’re also destructive of most American businesses.

So, the next time some idiot tries to tell you that the GOP is “the party of business,” let them know the real facts.

The only businesses Republicans actually support are gun sellers, megachurches, corrupt defense contractors, and giant monopolies. And none of those are good for average Americans, locally-owned businesses, or the US economy.

They call that either where I'm from. Sheesh

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Gustav,

They call that either where I'm from. Sheesh

Don't "sheesh" and run newyork...

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Gustav,

They call that either where I'm from. Sheesh

Don't "sheesh" and run newyork...

My bad meant to say Ether not Either. Urban slang derived from Nas diss track towards Jay Z.

Thought it might be.

Just typing "ether" without explaining yourself is the definition of "ether". Nas would agree.

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.alternet.org/alternet-exclusives/haley/

For the next time some idiot tries to tell you the GOP is 'The Party of Business'.

Thom Hartmann

August 30, 2023
.

As predictably as the sun rises and sets, every Sunday sees a commentator or politician on one of the Sunday political talk shows say — without being challenged — words to the effect that the Republican Party understands and supports business better than Democrats. This weekend, as I recall, it was CNN‘s turn.

All my life, in fact, I’ve been told by the media that the GOP is the “party of business.”

.  
It may have once been true when I was a very young child, but today it’s a lie — and has been so in a huge way since the neoliberal Reagan Revolution.

Between 1933 and 2020 there were 14 American presidents, 7 Democratic and 7 Republican.

The economy during this time grew at an average rate of 4.6% under the Democratic presidents, but only an anemic 2.4% under Republican presidents. For example, the economy has grown three times faster under Biden than under Trump.

Ten of the past 11 recessions began under Republican presidents, although lifelong Republican and Trump Fed appointee Jerome Powell seems hell-bent on producing one for Joe Biden, just in time for the 2024 election.

Republican presidents have exploded the national debt, while the only balanced budgets out of the past 60 years have been presented by Democratic presidents Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

Bill Clinton left George W. Bush a $128 billion surplus (after 4 consecutive years of budget surpluses): Bush immediately squandered it with a massive tax cut for billionaires and two criminal wars.

Just last year, President Biden decreased federal spending by $550 billion and reduced the deficit by $1.4 trillion — the largest one-year deficit drop in American history — all while creating five times more jobs in 2 years than the last three Republican presidents combined.

If not for the Reagan, Bush, and Trump tax cuts for billionaires and the two wars George W. Bush lied us into, our national debt would today be zero instead of over $30 trillion.

The core of American business and thus the livelihood of American communities before Reagan was small- and medium-sized companies.

We enforced anti-trust laws so aggressively that when Buster Brown and Kinney shoe companies wanted to merge in the 1960s the Supreme Court blocked the merger because the combined company would control about 5 percent of the US shoe market. Nike alone today controls around 20 percent of that market.

Small- and medium-sized companies built America and brought us the American middle class, the first and largest middle class in the world. But in 1983, when Reagan ordered the DOJ, FTC, and SEC to stop enforcing anti-trust laws dating back to the Sherman Act of 1890, giant corporations began a relentless campaign to destroy locally-owned companies.

Strip malls and small-town downtowns that were once mostly home to local retailers are now dominated by giant monopolistic national chains. Big Box stores, spreading across the country unconstrained since Reagan, have been wiping out small towns and rural communities.

One study found, as Reuters reported:

“[T]he closer a store was to the Walmart location, the greater the likelihood it would close. Persky and his colleagues found that for every mile closer to the Walmart, 6 percent more stores closed. Close in around the store's location, between 35 and 60 percent of stores closed.”

For most American businesses and the communities they serve, Republican governance has been a disaster since the Reagan 1980s.

In the 1950s, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower championed building tens of thousands of new public schools all across America, an effort supported by the business community because an educated workforce is a productive workforce.

From the early days of the Industrial Revolution, Americans were proud that we had one of the best-educated workforces in the world, and that itself was a huge boost to business.

In 2010, though, when fossil fuel billionaires bankrolled the Tea Party and were looking for an issue to beat up on Democrats in the 2010 and 2012 elections, they seized on the national standards for education program conceived and legislatively initiated by both Republicans and Democrats called “Common Core.”

Although it had been endorsed by the US Chamber of Commerce and GOP presidential front-runner Jeb Bush (among others) and was in place in 45 states, word went out that it was an effort to “indoctrinate” American students.

The story ran day after day on Fox “News” and rightwing hate radio. Hysteria followed, and Red state after Red state outlawed these new high standards for high-school graduation. Republican grandstanding for political gain actually dumbed down America.

The 2020 version of this was Critical Race Theory, another equally bogus attack on public education. Between this, “Don’t Say Gay,” and banning thousands of books, the Republican war on public education has blossomed into full flower.

Now, Republican states are trying to shut down their public schools altogether via state-wide voucher programs, replacing Eisenhower’s AAA+ education system with state-funded religious and rightwing for-profit schools that refuse to teach actual science, civics, or American history.

Arizona was the first to go statewide with vouchers, and Republican legislators in Texas, Florida, Kansas, and a dozen other GOP-run states are considering the same. It’s quite simply an all-out effort to destroy public education and subsidize religious schools and private all-white academies for upper-middle-class people who can take advantage of a voucher that only covers part of the cost of tuition.

The only option left for the very poorest people will be the few remaining public schools, essentially turning them into ghettos.

Republican President Dwight Eisenhower ran for re-election in the 1956 election by bragging that he’d expanded Social Security across America, and his 1952 election was mostly powered by his enthusiastic endorsement of unionization.

At a speech before the American Federation of Labor (AFL) in 1952, Eisenhower noted that the first national legalization of unions in America was signed by Republican President Calvin Coolidge, the 1926 Railway Labor Act.

“Only a handful of unreconstructed reactionaries harbor the ugly thought of breaking unions,” he told the union group now known as the AFL-CIO, the nation’s largest. “Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of the right to join the union of their choice.”

Similarly, in September of 1970 President Richard Nixon hosted labor leaders from across America, praising the movement. As The New York Times noted on September 8, 1970:

“When the ‘great issue’ has been whether to support the President and to meet the nation’s responsibilities ‘for defending and protecting the forces of freedom in the world,’ he said, ‘American labor has never been found wanting. It has always been the first in war and in peace.’”

As a result of combined Democratic and Republican support of unions, by Reagan’s election in 1980 about two-thirds of all American workers had a union job or it’s equivalent, with great pay, benefits, and retirement plans, because a third of workers were union members and that set the pay and benefits floor for the non-union employers to compete for another third of workers.

But, following Nixon putting Lewis Powell on the Supreme Court in 1971, the GOP began to adopt the positions in the Powell Memo, which included gutting labor unions so the morbidly rich could become even richer.

Their rationale was that workers having a say in the workplace had “destabilized” America, a point first made in 1951 by Russell Kirk in his book The Conservative Mind that I detailed two years ago here.

President Reagan, however, declared war on organized labor with his attack on the PATCO union. Ever since, the GOP has been fighting efforts to expand unionization.

Combined with Reagan’s massive tax cuts for billionaires and giant corporations, this loss of union representation has led to a $50 trillion transfer of wealth from the homes and retirement accounts of working-class people straight into the money bins of the morbidly rich.

Instead of two-thirds of Americans having a middle-class lifestyle like in 1980, today that number is down to around 45 percent of us. As a result, both poverty and homelessness have exploded across the land. And poor and homeless people can’t afford to support a strong economy — and thus American business — the way a prosperous middle class can.

Dwight Eisenhower created the Small Business Administration to “aid, counsel, assist, and protect insofar as is possible the interests of small-business concerns.”

He signed a massive expansion of Social Security to take the pension/retirement onus off small- and medium-sized employers, increased the minimum wage so a prospering working class could purchase the products of American manufacturers, and built low-income housing across the nation to end the homeless “hobo” problem left over from the Republican Great Depression.

Eisenhower created from scratch the Department of Health, Education and Welfare to build a healthy and well-educated workforce, while Richard Nixon signed the Environmental Protection Agency into law to save the lives of American workers being killed by toxic pesticides and other chemicals (the agency’s creation was provoked by Rachel Carson’s book Silent Spring).

Today’s GOP opposes all of these programs and agencies. They only support the largest American companies and the richest citizens.

When Trump was president, he rolled back regulation of toxic pesticides known to cause brain damage to children, and one of his first official acts in office was to end the prohibition of coal mines dumping their toxic waste and tailings into America’s rivers, polluting downstream water supplies with cancer-causing chemicals.

Arguably, the best policy possible for American businesses of all sizes is the Medicare For All program promoted for decades by progressive Democrats.

Back in 2004, Toyota announced they’d be opening a new factory in North America. Three southern US states offered them billions in tax advantages and free land, with the Republican governor of Alabama openly bragging about how cheaply his citizens would work for the company.

But in the end, in 2005, Toyota announced they’d be building the factory in Ontario, Canada because US healthcare costs are nearly twice those of Canada, which has had a successful Medicare For All system in place for more than a half-century (as I lay out in The Hidden History of American Healthcare: Why Sickness Bankrupts You and Makes Others Insanely Rich).

Since then, as Republicans (and a few bought-off Democrats) continue to fight any effort to establish a national healthcare or health insurance system, the company has built two more North American factories in Canada.

If it wasn’t for Republican obstruction, they would’ve been built here and the jobs would be here.

The simple reality is that Republicans have no coherent plans for the American economy beyond more tax cuts for their morbidly rich donors and more deregulation of the very largest and most polluting corporations.

To compensate for this deficiency, they push hate against queer people, public school teachers, women, and dark-skinned immigrants. DeSantis has gone so far as to attack Disney, Florida’s largest employer and source of tax revenues, because they had the temerity to respect their gay, lesbian, and trans employees and customers.

Republicans have banned hundreds of books from public schools and libraries, saturated our towns and cities with weapons of war, banned women’s access to reproductive healthcare, and packed our courts with judges who’d be comfortable with the American Nazi movement, the Federalist Society, and the John Birch Society.

Not only are these policies and positions bad for America, they’re also destructive of most American businesses.

So, the next time some idiot tries to tell you that the GOP is “the party of business,” let them know the real facts.

The only businesses Republicans actually support are gun sellers, megachurches, corrupt defense contractors, and giant monopolies. And none of those are good for average Americans, locally-owned businesses, or the US economy.

Great stuff. Problem is that the far right does not pay attention to anything if it does not have a funny GIF or a picture with flag. Especially if it has all these boring things called facts.

HofstraBBall wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Thank you for pointing out that the article is outdated, I missed that. Apparently, upon conducting some additional research, Biden has provided a certain degree of relief. I was wrong. It's far from what he promised, and on October 1 there will be interest that will start accruing... but I definitely was off when I said that he has done nothing.

Bro you were not just wrong but also you failed at the simple task of using google effectively for like 2 seconds. Even though you tried multiple times.

You don’t even pay attention to what you are reading when you take the time to actually do that.

Do better man. Like by a lot.

I admitted to both. But thank you for kindly rubbing it in my face afterwards. Classy

Classy?

ramtour, I don’t **** around in this space. This **** has real world consequences and there are people out there spewing disinformation - whether by accident, on purpose, or for lack of trying - and you did just that.

If it takes you more than a couple back and forths and then additional tries with Google and you still can’t come up with simple stuff, you gotta start worrying about something else and start trying a different way.

fwiw, Martin is offering you some solid advice.

In general, it's better to put in the effort to be well-informed and avoid coming across (with anyone and in any forum) like a posturing opinion-slinger. A key facet of that would be open mindedness and a willingness to embrace information outside the boundaries of your preconceptions.

+1 to what Martin said...you ought to take what you can from it because it WILL help you more broadly than at UK.

You are absolutely right. I did assume that what I heard from the media was a fact. One should always check info for accuracy and I learned that lesson. I actually really like to get to the bottom of things. I didn't realize I sound like a posturing opinion -slinger. I guess I have some growing up to do as an adult

This is where I got my Biden misinformation from by the way

You get your news from a YouTube channel called HiRezTV run by this guy. He has a very appropriate Barbie flare to him. I would be a teensy hesitant with what he has to say but that’s just me. It’s not the pink hoodie so much so the glasses and beard and “hey, how *you* doin’?” sideway glance. Maybe, just maybe, not entirely passable news worthy.

We need to start a different type of conversation. And it starts with you.

Ok. Let's start a different conversation. Insulin is free for all diabetics in Russia, we have government sponsored healthcare. It doesn't matter how old you are, what age group or what pre-existing conditions one has. All.Healthcare.Is.Free.( except dental)

You may want to think about what the true cost of that medicine is.
We also have a place for you here. Where three meals a day are free. Free warm bed. Free heat, water and electric. High high security. Free arts and crafts. Free educational courses. Free mental support groups. And yes, free medical assistance and care. Only problem is that most of your freedoms will be stripped and everyone around you has little knowledge of the outside world. But that does not seem to be important to you.

Ohh, I see what you did there. I have lived in the US for 19 years. Graduated from High School. Got my first job. Got married. Graduated from college. Had a baby. Lived most of my adult life in Woodhaven, Queens. You want to talk freedom? Not the pretty word freedom, but rather actual one? I have type one diabetes. When I was in college and prior to that I was getting free healthcare as a low income person. Once I graduated and started working as an RN my health insurance became paid and my quote was close to 2000$ per month because of the preexisting condition. I had no choice but to exercise my freedom not to get healthcare and pay out of pocket for doctor visits just so that he would prescribe insulin and then I had to buy it out of pocket...Hmm, you still want to talk about the cost of healthcare? Not some metaphorical cost, but actual $ cost that I had to take from my family budget?
I also was able to build a house here without getting a penny in debt. That freedom would not have been mine in the US. No one will tell me or my family that I have no choice but to take an experimental vaccine over here. You see where I am getting at? Which one of us lives in a country that resembles the condition you described? The answer might be different from what you think.

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Gustav,

They call that either where I'm from. Sheesh

Don't "sheesh" and run newyork...

My bad meant to say Ether not Either. Urban slang derived from Nas diss track towards Jay Z.

Thought it might be.

Just typing "ether" without explaining yourself is the definition of "ether". Nas would agree.

Thought I did that originally. Then you wanted me to explain myself

I want you to do more than quote the title of a diss track. Thats posturing, not criticism.

ramtour420 wrote:

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ramtour420 wrote:Thank you for pointing out that the article is outdated, I missed that. Apparently, upon conducting some additional research, Biden has provided a certain degree of relief. I was wrong. It's far from what he promised, and on October 1 there will be interest that will start accruing... but I definitely was off when I said that he has done nothing.

Bro you were not just wrong but also you failed at the simple task of using google effectively for like 2 seconds. Even though you tried multiple times.

You don’t even pay attention to what you are reading when you take the time to actually do that.

Do better man. Like by a lot.

I admitted to both. But thank you for kindly rubbing it in my face afterwards. Classy

Classy?

ramtour, I don’t **** around in this space. This **** has real world consequences and there are people out there spewing disinformation - whether by accident, on purpose, or for lack of trying - and you did just that.

If it takes you more than a couple back and forths and then additional tries with Google and you still can’t come up with simple stuff, you gotta start worrying about something else and start trying a different way.

fwiw, Martin is offering you some solid advice.

In general, it's better to put in the effort to be well-informed and avoid coming across (with anyone and in any forum) like a posturing opinion-slinger. A key facet of that would be open mindedness and a willingness to embrace information outside the boundaries of your preconceptions.

+1 to what Martin said...you ought to take what you can from it because it WILL help you more broadly than at UK.

You are absolutely right. I did assume that what I heard from the media was a fact. One should always check info for accuracy and I learned that lesson. I actually really like to get to the bottom of things. I didn't realize I sound like a posturing opinion -slinger. I guess I have some growing up to do as an adult

This is where I got my Biden misinformation from by the way

You get your news from a YouTube channel called HiRezTV run by this guy. He has a very appropriate Barbie flare to him. I would be a teensy hesitant with what he has to say but that’s just me. It’s not the pink hoodie so much so the glasses and beard and “hey, how *you* doin’?” sideway glance. Maybe, just maybe, not entirely passable news worthy.

We need to start a different type of conversation. And it starts with you.

Ok. Let's start a different conversation. Insulin is free for all diabetics in Russia, we have government sponsored healthcare. It doesn't matter how old you are, what age group or what pre-existing conditions one has. All.Healthcare.Is.Free.( except dental)

You may want to think about what the true cost of that medicine is.
We also have a place for you here. Where three meals a day are free. Free warm bed. Free heat, water and electric. High high security. Free arts and crafts. Free educational courses. Free mental support groups. And yes, free medical assistance and care. Only problem is that most of your freedoms will be stripped and everyone around you has little knowledge of the outside world. But that does not seem to be important to you.

Ohh, I see what you did there. I have lived in the US for 19 years. Graduated from High School. Got my first job. Got married. Graduated from college. Had a baby. Lived most of my adult life in Woodhaven, Queens. You want to talk freedom? Not the pretty word freedom, but rather actual one? I have type one diabetes. When I was in college and prior to that I was getting free healthcare as a low income person. Once I graduated and started working as an RN my health insurance became paid and my quote was close to 2000$ per month because of the preexisting condition. I had no choice but to exercise my freedom not to get healthcare and pay out of pocket for doctor visits just so that he would prescribe insulin and then I had to buy it out of pocket...Hmm, you still want to talk about the cost of healthcare? Not some metaphorical cost, but actual $ cost that I had to take from my family budget?
I also was able to build a house here without getting a penny in debt. That freedom would not have been mine in the US. No one will tell me or my family that I have no choice but to take an experimental vaccine over here. You see where I am getting at? Which one of us lives in a country that resembles the condition you described? The answer might be different from what you think.

Sorry to hear about your diabetes. Woodhaven and being an RN during COVID sounds challenging.
A bit of a petty complaint compared to those having basic freedoms taken away from them in Russia. And compared to those young men forced to be a blood front in Ukraine. Just ask Prigozhin. Oh wait, he was had an "accident". Similar to what happens to high ranking officials in Woodhaven. Hard to argue with someone choosing a communist dictatorship which jails those who speak freely and which keeps its people disconnected from the world and it's views. You sound like someone who has already been consumed by state run media. Would agree that you are probably in the best place for you.

Hate to disagree with you as will hundreds millions of Americans. Many who came here from Russia and experienced the American dream. Have a good friend who can here from Russia and is a successful Radiologist. She does not share your view either. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.

HofstraBBall wrote:. The US is the greatest country in the world. Not perfect but it gives you great opportunity. Gives you many great, safe and beautiful areas to bring up your family. Sorry it was not for you. Wish you and your family the best.

Have you lived in other countries?