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Philc1
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2/9/2022  6:56 PM
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Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.

Thibs hates him apparently. Maybe we can get a pick or use him to sweeten the pot to dump EF/Burks or Randle

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2/9/2022  7:16 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.

Thibs hates him apparently. Maybe we can get a pick or use him to sweeten the pot to dump EF/Burks or Randle


Due to a rule since we recently traded for him he can not be traded in a package with other teammates.
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2/9/2022  8:37 PM
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Chandler wrote:Just noting that Randles contract seems to match with Brogdon's. i thought i read they can't move Brogdon now but maybe something for future musing

I'm not a fan of Brogdon at that price. He's a good player but 20/year definitely impacts things. ANd then again i am not a fan of Randle 2022 version at his price either

That trade is a no brainer. Brogdon’s contract is up after next season, he’s a pg which we need and he’s good. His 3pt % is way down this year but so it is for our entire roster


Problem is nobody wants Randle’s contract. Definitely not the pacers

why do you keep saying that? i don't know if you're trolling, like to agitate, or just a fan of hyperbole

His contract is not bad, Last year he was Lebron-lite and his new contract is like 50th highest. It's the same as Brogdon who is far from a superstar but a nice player. Last year Randle was a superstar.

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2/10/2022  2:13 AM
Chandler wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Chandler wrote:Just noting that Randles contract seems to match with Brogdon's. i thought i read they can't move Brogdon now but maybe something for future musing

I'm not a fan of Brogdon at that price. He's a good player but 20/year definitely impacts things. ANd then again i am not a fan of Randle 2022 version at his price either

That trade is a no brainer. Brogdon’s contract is up after next season, he’s a pg which we need and he’s good. His 3pt % is way down this year but so it is for our entire roster


Problem is nobody wants Randle’s contract. Definitely not the pacers

why do you keep saying that? i don't know if you're trolling, like to agitate, or just a fan of hyperbole

His contract is not bad, Last year he was Lebron-lite and his new contract is like 50th highest. It's the same as Brogdon who is far from a superstar but a nice player. Last year Randle was a superstar.

Last year don't play. We did not cash out at the top, because we were high on the exuberance of a first-round playoffs appearance and illusions that we had finally found our Lebron-lite.

But if we did not trade him last year, trading him this year certainly does not make sense either. Especially for Brogdon, with whom a pretty stacked Pacers roster went nowhere.

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2/10/2022  2:48 AM
A rumored 3 team trade for the knick-Lakers-toronto

Lakers gets Cam and Burks
Toronto gets Horton-Tucker and Noel
Knicks gets Dragic and picks

Kendrick Nunn may still join the trade.

Knicks can assemble the most experience point guard rotation after the deadline! Kemba, DRose and Dragic!

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2/10/2022  3:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  3:31 AM
Cam can only be traded in a 1 for 1 deal so it would have to be separate. If this rumor is true I'd have to know the picks as we gave up one #1 pick just to get Reddish. Really would be shocked if they dumped him already... I guess if they acquired 2 #1 picks it could be worthwhile since we would clear a lot of salary as Dragic is expiring at end of the season. Why give up Burks and Reddish though - that would actually leave us thin at the 2/3 afterwards.

Doubtful trade scenario IMO but Dragic does seem like a reasonable PG choice as we could reset in the offseason and/or possibly use Dragic in a future S&T with Brunson.

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2/10/2022  3:35 AM
jskinny35 wrote:Cam can only be traded in a 1 for 1 deal so it would have to be separate. If this rumor is true I'd have to know the picks as we gave up one #1 pick just to get Reddish. Really would be shocked if they dumped him already... I guess if they acquired 2 #1 picks it could be worthwhile since we would clear a lot of salary as Dragic is expiring at end of the season. Why give up Burks and Reddish though - that would actually leave us thin at the 2/3 afterwards.

Doubtful trade scenario IMO but Dragic does seem like a reasonable PG choice as we could reset in the offseason and/or possibly use Dragic in a future S&T with Brunson.

Yah, your right, cam can be traded but not with others, i guess the knicks FO is still striking out less than 12hours before the deadline

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2/10/2022  4:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  5:09 AM
Dolan's soothing response to Knick fans at this difficult time:

I can't even lie- this is a masterpiece, from his creepy forced grin (contrasting with how he normally looks at Knicks games) to the lyrics contrasting with Knicks fans feelings at the deadline- WTF?!😂 It's like the "serenity now thing from Seinfeld- the snow scene is what happens inside knick fans mind when they finally crack! It's what will be playing in our brains once the deadline has passed and we've done pretty much nothing!

a "bootleg Bon Iver"😂

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2/10/2022  5:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  5:39 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:A rumored 3 team trade for the knick-Lakers-toronto

Lakers gets Cam and Burks
Toronto gets Horton-Tucker and Noel
Knicks gets Dragic and picks

Kendrick Nunn may still join the trade.

Knicks can assemble the most experience point guard rotation after the deadline! Kemba, DRose and Dragic!

Is this guy reliable though?

I'll laugh if after BRIGGS's Cam thread and all the lamenting about us giving up a 1st rounder, we end up ultimately turning that 1st rounder into a better one (or possibly two firsts) and dump Burkes and Noels salary in the process to sign Brunson, just for the price of holding on to Cam for a week


Seems to be some smoke around it anyways- who knows what's real?

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2/10/2022  5:38 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:A rumored 3 team trade for the knick-Lakers-toronto

Lakers gets Cam and Burks
Toronto gets Horton-Tucker and Noel
Knicks gets Dragic and picks

Kendrick Nunn may still join the trade.

Knicks can assemble the most experience point guard rotation after the deadline! Kemba, DRose and Dragic!

Is this guy reliable though?

I'll laugh if after BRIGGS's Cam thread and all the lamenting about us giving up a 1st rounder, we end up ultimately turning that 1st rounder into a better one (or possibly two firsts) and dump Burkes and Noels salary in the process to sign Brunson, just for the price of holding on to Cam for a week


Remember Cam can only be traded by himself. So this rumor is fake.
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2/10/2022  7:48 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Chandler wrote:Just noting that Randles contract seems to match with Brogdon's. i thought i read they can't move Brogdon now but maybe something for future musing

I'm not a fan of Brogdon at that price. He's a good player but 20/year definitely impacts things. ANd then again i am not a fan of Randle 2022 version at his price either

That trade is a no brainer. Brogdon’s contract is up after next season, he’s a pg which we need and he’s good. His 3pt % is way down this year but so it is for our entire roster


Problem is nobody wants Randle’s contract. Definitely not the pacers

why do you keep saying that? i don't know if you're trolling, like to agitate, or just a fan of hyperbole

His contract is not bad, Last year he was Lebron-lite and his new contract is like 50th highest. It's the same as Brogdon who is far from a superstar but a nice player. Last year Randle was a superstar.

Last year don't play. We did not cash out at the top, because we were high on the exuberance of a first-round playoffs appearance and illusions that we had finally found our Lebron-lite.

But if we did not trade him last year, trading him this year certainly does not make sense either. Especially for Brogdon, with whom a pretty stacked Pacers roster went nowhere.

Agree with this. And I’m not saying randle is beyond criticism Just getting sick of the nonsense like randles contract or thibs “hates” Cam etc

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2/10/2022  7:54 AM
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:A rumored 3 team trade for the knick-Lakers-toronto

Lakers gets Cam and Burks
Toronto gets Horton-Tucker and Noel
Knicks gets Dragic and picks

Kendrick Nunn may still join the trade.

Knicks can assemble the most experience point guard rotation after the deadline! Kemba, DRose and Dragic!

Is this guy reliable though?

I'll laugh if after BRIGGS's Cam thread and all the lamenting about us giving up a 1st rounder, we end up ultimately turning that 1st rounder into a better one (or possibly two firsts) and dump Burkes and Noels salary in the process to sign Brunson, just for the price of holding on to Cam for a week


Remember Cam can only be traded by himself. So this rumor is fake.

What if Toronto is a straw man. Eg burks to LA; cam and Noel to Toronto. Toronto sends cam to LA?. I don’t know the specifics of the rule to say whether this is legitimate loophole

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2/10/2022  8:02 AM
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:A rumored 3 team trade for the knick-Lakers-toronto

Lakers gets Cam and Burks
Toronto gets Horton-Tucker and Noel
Knicks gets Dragic and picks

Kendrick Nunn may still join the trade.

Knicks can assemble the most experience point guard rotation after the deadline! Kemba, DRose and Dragic!

Is this guy reliable though?

I'll laugh if after BRIGGS's Cam thread and all the lamenting about us giving up a 1st rounder, we end up ultimately turning that 1st rounder into a better one (or possibly two firsts) and dump Burkes and Noels salary in the process to sign Brunson, just for the price of holding on to Cam for a week


Remember Cam can only be traded by himself. So this rumor is fake.

Might be where Kendrick Nunn fits in. Salary relief and picks...I wouldn't be mad at this deal.

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2/10/2022  8:12 AM
The rumors keeps on being picked up, maybe there are legs to the report. If the knicks get to send Noel, cam snd Burks and get Dragic, how much cap space will they create? Enough to offer Brunson what he is asking?
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2/10/2022  8:26 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:The rumors keeps on being picked up, maybe there are legs to the report. If the knicks get to send Noel, cam snd Burks and get Dragic, how much cap space will they create? Enough to offer Brunson what he is asking?

Burks and Noel just about $19M, Cam is just under $5M. Knicks at $118M right now.

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2/10/2022  8:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  8:35 AM
We can trade for Dragic then buy him out if we don’t want to play him.
Obi is not sabonis thus we can’t just assume Fox and him gel like that.
Reports teams want Randle but what were they offering? Is Randle really permanently broken?
I’d be ok with Fox but WITH RJ and Randle. Credit to Sac, they drafted not by position and eventually got more back then his 14th draft spot would have. Thats one one to do it. Sabonis is a quality allstar player. A very different type of player than Randle.

The Reddish thing is a curious storyline. Does Aller/Perry see him player for here or a future trade chip paired with another? Did Thibs not want him NOW or NEVER? Just a few weeks in there is not rotation spot for him. Most mid seaosn trades do get played because of need. I buy things of value when on sale if I don’t need it. I buy stocks when I percieve good fundamentals and good price. When it goes up I don’t know. stock traders would see that as stupid. Expectations matter. We don’t understand what FO did here, and since team is not doing well we taint it badly. Fans prerogative.

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2/10/2022  8:35 AM
Nalod wrote:We can trade for Dragic then buy him out if we don’t want to play him.
Obi is not sabonis thus we can’t just assume Fox and him gel like that.
Reports teams want Randle but what were they offering? Is Randle really permanently broken?
I’d be ok with Fox but WITH RJ and Randle. Credit to Sac, they drafted not by position and eventually got more back then his 14th draft spot would have. Thats one one to do it. Sabonis is a quality allstar player. A very different type of player than Randle.

The Reddish thing is a curious storyline. Does Aller/Perry see him player for here or a future trade chip paired with another? Did Thibs not want him NOW or NEVER? Just a few weeks in there is not rotation spot for him. Most mid seaosn trades do get played because of need. I buy things of value when on sale if I don’t need it. I buy stocks when I percieve good fundamentals and good price. When it goes up I don’t know. stock traders would see that as stupid. Expectations matter. We don’t understand what FO did here, and since team is not doing well we taint it badly. Fans prerogative.

He is just an every other year guy, gonna come back even stronger next year.

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2/10/2022  8:37 AM
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:We can trade for Dragic then buy him out if we don’t want to play him.
Obi is not sabonis thus we can’t just assume Fox and him gel like that.
Reports teams want Randle but what were they offering? Is Randle really permanently broken?
I’d be ok with Fox but WITH RJ and Randle. Credit to Sac, they drafted not by position and eventually got more back then his 14th draft spot would have. Thats one one to do it. Sabonis is a quality allstar player. A very different type of player than Randle.

The Reddish thing is a curious storyline. Does Aller/Perry see him player for here or a future trade chip paired with another? Did Thibs not want him NOW or NEVER? Just a few weeks in there is not rotation spot for him. Most mid seaosn trades do get played because of need. I buy things of value when on sale if I don’t need it. I buy stocks when I percieve good fundamentals and good price. When it goes up I don’t know. stock traders would see that as stupid. Expectations matter. We don’t understand what FO did here, and since team is not doing well we taint it badly. Fans prerogative.

He is just an every other year guy, gonna come back even stronger next year.

He makes 2/3rds of what KP makes. If he comes close to KP production and durable we still win “the trade”, LOL! thats all that really matters, right?

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2/10/2022  9:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  9:21 AM
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:A rumored 3 team trade for the knick-Lakers-toronto

Lakers gets Cam and Burks
Toronto gets Horton-Tucker and Noel
Knicks gets Dragic and picks

Kendrick Nunn may still join the trade.

Knicks can assemble the most experience point guard rotation after the deadline! Kemba, DRose and Dragic!

Is this guy reliable though?

I'll laugh if after BRIGGS's Cam thread and all the lamenting about us giving up a 1st rounder, we end up ultimately turning that 1st rounder into a better one (or possibly two firsts) and dump Burkes and Noels salary in the process to sign Brunson, just for the price of holding on to Cam for a week


Remember Cam can only be traded by himself. So this rumor is fake.

Can't cut and paste the article, but the rule is he can't be traded with another salary (the term used is used with another salary to aggregate the salary of a player). In this trade, the Knicks can use Noel and Burks to make up the salary of Dragic, thus Cam's salary is not be used in combination with another to make the trade work.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/lakers-knicks-raptors-have-discussed-possible-three-team-trade.html

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2/10/2022  9:22 AM

If this is true I had no idea the Cam trade was 2 diff trades.

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