Uptown wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Who knows what we’re up to!

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Or, they have a player that they love in the top ten: Bouknight? Moody? The real question is, which team in the top ten would be willing to swap with the Knicks. GS and the Pels are the two likely candidtates.

This is where I would like to see the Knicks use their assets. Not on a player that will cost a max contract and many young assets/picks. This year's draft is allegedly loaded so why not use your assets on players you can control for the next several years.

I like Sexton but feel we already have a player like him. ie. IQ. Believe if we gave IQ the same minutes and freedom Sexton has in Cleveland, he would be putting up the same type of numbers. IQ is already close to Sexton in shooting and per 36 in only his first year. Luckily, I do not see Rose changing his approach this year unless it is for a true difference maker. Do not think that is Sexton.

I Agree and disagree. If I had a choice of packaging my picks for Sexton, or packaging my picks to secure a top ten pick, I agree that I would rather secure a lotto pick. I have a post, early in this thread, endorsing a move for Sexton if it will only cost us, Knox, Obi and one of our picks. The more I think about it, I believe Cleve would want more than that package. Also, I'm falling out of love with the idea that Sexton and Randle will be our 2 max contract players. I am not as high on Randle as most on this board and I think we have to sign a player that is better than Randle if we want to earn a spot amongst the elite in the east. It will be difficult to do that with Sexton and Randle on max contracts. With that said, I do like Sextons' ability to get a bucket from anywhere on the court as you need guys like that when the play breaks down and the shot clock is running out. Unless the Knicks can convince him to take less than the max, I am not so sure anymore.

Disagree that Sexton is like IQ. Sexton is a much better iso player and does more damage than IQ does in the paint. Sexton is a bucket from all 3 levels...

Agree that Sexton is better than IQ right now. Point was that Sexton has not separated himself to several levels above your solid scorers/young talent players on some teams. At least not to the point where the Knicks should give up so many assets. And agree that it will take more than Knox, Obi and a first. But I would rather Knicks use the draft this year and bring back Burke, Rose and add a free agent. Mitch will also be back and Luca seems playable. Think that will translate into a decent season. Also leaving options for 2022. Really do not see a reason why Rose will change his MO of building slowly and not giving up assets. Do not see anything big happening unless a Superstar is available and with the knowledge that another will come if a big trade is made.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/knicks-rumors-knicks-bold-plan-to-lure-bradley-beal-zach-lavine-to-new-york-revealed/amp/

TripleThreat wrote:

fishmike wrote:he could be a max player for sure yes. We dont have to extend him right away. He's an RFA next season and we can offer him more than any other team. Or we can look to move him if he's not the right fit... guys like Conley or Lowry or even Schroder would really help. We played with Elf last season starting. But Sexton could really move the needle.

The fact that he might be worth the max tells you to go get him... get the talent first. Teams are always willing to gamble on talent. I think fans would love him and his fit with RJ/Mitch/Jules

If the Knicks or any NBA team trades for Sexton in what amounts to an audition, they'll only do so paying a "rental" trade price.

Via a sign and trade of Sexton, that garners a valuable and likely large trade exception for the Cavs and it grants long term security that Sexton desires. There is zero reason to trade for Sexton ABOVE a rental price and then choose to NOT IMMEDIATELY extend him.

What you suggest is the Knicks pay in trade ABOVE the rental price and then if he collapses on his face all season long and regresses, they should then sign and trade him to another team at a rental price. It's a rental price at that point because other teams can then just sign Sexton to an offer sheet.

And Sexton is not in the same stratosphere as Devin Booker in terms of projectibility and upside.

As for Sexton's "projectibility" if you knew that you wouldnt be talking to us.

This is what you said about Randle about 10 minutes before he became an all NBA all star:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?m=q&r=1639120&t=61206&page=2

TripleThreat wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Giving Randle away is a silly. He has value.

If the Knicks could trade Randle to another team and into their empty cap space, for the rights to a Euro Stash who would never play in the NBA, they would do it. They would say Yes so fast over the phone it would sound like a grunt you make while taking a big ****. Trust me, trading Randle right now would feel like taking a big **** from the Knicks front office.

When a miserable woman gets divorced, she heads right to the gym. She's gonna get in shape so she can reel in a new sucker. Once she's reeled him in, she's gonna get fat and comfortable again. That's Julius Randle. He'll try when he knows a contract is coming up, once he's got a little security, he plays like a total *******.

He's the worst kind of player. He blocks minutes/a roster spot from you auditioning young longshot hopefuls. He generates just enough wins to ruin your tanking. He's plays like an ******* so he kills morale in your locker room. He ball stops enough to choke the development of your younger players. He's got tanked trade value so you are just stuck with him. Since he won't listen to the coach, he is a tax on the sanity of any coach on your team. I can live with a guy who just isn't all that good but actually pushes effort. But Randle just doesn't give a ****.

If you were lost on a desert island with Julius Randle, he's the kind of low rent nipple hair that would steal your little daughters Hannah Montana lunch box to steal her animal crackers. Then he'd take a **** in it. Then he'd give it back to your daughter and scream at her until she said Thank You King Julius.

Just to keep that ball stopping choad away from the rookies, it's worth it to dump him.

Anyway back to topic... Yes Sexton has warts, but his downside is like DAngelo Russell which isnt too bad. Its not like gettin stuck w/ Kemba or John Wall. The guy can play and if it doesnt work can be moved (barring injury)

fwk00 wrote:

xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

I'm also confused by the introduction of Love into the conversation. Shams didn't report that. The deal of Obie, Knox, and a pick at face value made sense.

Adding Love to the deal is something like Love, Sexton for #58.

Because absorbing Love’s contract is the most realistic way the cavs give us Sexton without us trading the farm

Problem is Love is such a terrible player with a terrible contract. He and KP should be roommates

xavier wrote:To even think of taking Love's contract is madness. It’s a legitimate move for a team that is just entering rebuilding and is now starting from scratch. We are no longer at that stage. If we could have done that phase a little smarter, we could. But now we are where we are and there is no going back.

We finally have some core in Randle, RJ, Mitch, IQ plus Obi and Rose. We obviously won’t find some top players in this free agency. Most likely we won't in the next one either. But that doesn’t mean we have to bury a cap with a contract like Love’s.

What we need to do is add as many players with potential as possible, on tradeable contracts so that when the opportunity arises, we can trade for a player like Beal or LaVine without losing everything in that potential trade.

Clap, clap.

I'm not sure Cleveland is that desperate to trade Love anyway. They still have to hit the salary floor somehow. If Love is the price I take a hard pass. Kendrick Nunn is available as an RFA. He seems like a plausible alternative.

xavier wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Clap, clap.

I'm not sure Cleveland is that desperate to trade Love anyway. They still have to hit the salary floor somehow. If Love is the price I take a hard pass. Kendrick Nunn is available as an RFA. He seems like a plausible alternative.

Exactly. They’re just starting to put together a team and why would they get rid of Love’s contract and therefore lose some assets when he's not a problem on the cap at the moment.

A better option for them is Love to be there with these kids until they mature, and then in two years, when the contract expires, everyone goes their own way. The Cavs line up a team for the playoffs if the kids turn out ok, and Love chases another ring in the contender on a minimum contract.

Dude LOVE does not want to me on no Young Rebuilding Cavs team, that was clearly evident in all his antics this season

Windhorst reported on The Hoop Collective podcast Monday that Love "absolutely, totally wants to get out of there" but that "there's not that much traction" regarding a possible trade.

So there's no reason to leave that guy in your locker room with your young guys

gradyandrew wrote:

xavier wrote:To even think of taking Love's contract is madness. It’s a legitimate move for a team that is just entering rebuilding and is now starting from scratch. We are no longer at that stage. If we could have done that phase a little smarter, we could. But now we are where we are and there is no going back.

We finally have some core in Randle, RJ, Mitch, IQ plus Obi and Rose. We obviously won’t find some top players in this free agency. Most likely we won't in the next one either. But that doesn’t mean we have to bury a cap with a contract like Love’s.

What we need to do is add as many players with potential as possible, on tradeable contracts so that when the opportunity arises, we can trade for a player like Beal or LaVine without losing everything in that potential trade.

Clap, clap.

I'm not sure Cleveland is that desperate to trade Love anyway. They still have to hit the salary floor somehow. If Love is the price I take a hard pass. Kendrick Nunn is available as an RFA. He seems like a plausible alternative.

They aren’t desperate to get rid of Love. He’s still a name who in theory should sell tickets but they know better than anyone else how horrible and toxic he is.

That said I think we can still get good to superstar players here next 2 off seasons without having to trade for the NBA’s second worst contract after Porzingis

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Who knows what we’re up to!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1416046211325329413

Or, they have a player that they love in the top ten: Bouknight? Moody? The real question is, which team in the top ten would be willing to swap with the Knicks. GS and the Pels are the two likely candidtates.

This is where I would like to see the Knicks use their assets. Not on a player that will cost a max contract and many young assets/picks. This year's draft is allegedly loaded so why not use your assets on players you can control for the next several years.

I like Sexton but feel we already have a player like him. ie. IQ. Believe if we gave IQ the same minutes and freedom Sexton has in Cleveland, he would be putting up the same type of numbers. IQ is already close to Sexton in shooting and per 36 in only his first year. Luckily, I do not see Rose changing his approach this year unless it is for a true difference maker. Do not think that is Sexton.

I Agree and disagree. If I had a choice of packaging my picks for Sexton, or packaging my picks to secure a top ten pick, I agree that I would rather secure a lotto pick. I have a post, early in this thread, endorsing a move for Sexton if it will only cost us, Knox, Obi and one of our picks. The more I think about it, I believe Cleve would want more than that package. Also, I'm falling out of love with the idea that Sexton and Randle will be our 2 max contract players. I am not as high on Randle as most on this board and I think we have to sign a player that is better than Randle if we want to earn a spot amongst the elite in the east. It will be difficult to do that with Sexton and Randle on max contracts. With that said, I do like Sextons' ability to get a bucket from anywhere on the court as you need guys like that when the play breaks down and the shot clock is running out. Unless the Knicks can convince him to take less than the max, I am not so sure anymore.

Disagree that Sexton is like IQ. Sexton is a much better iso player and does more damage than IQ does in the paint. Sexton is a bucket from all 3 levels...

Agree that Sexton is better than IQ right now. Point was that Sexton has not separated himself to several levels above your solid scorers/young talent players on some teams. At least not to the point where the Knicks should give up so many assets. And agree that it will take more than Knox, Obi and a first. But I would rather Knicks use the draft this year and bring back Burke, Rose and add a free agent. Mitch will also be back and Luca seems playable. Think that will translate into a decent season. Also leaving options for 2022. Really do not see a reason why Rose will change his MO of building slowly and not giving up assets. Do not see anything big happening unless a Superstar is available and with the knowledge that another will come if a big trade is made.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/knicks-rumors-knicks-bold-plan-to-lure-bradley-beal-zach-lavine-to-new-york-revealed/amp/

Who are you confident we can sign in 2022 that will still be available. We got killed in the playoffs and you're proposing we bring back majority of the players that caused that.

We are giving up luke warm assets, late 1st round picks, OBI and Knox, 2 guys who barely get PT, for a 20 pt scoring PG, in a scoring PG ERA. These guys don't even fit our roster.

The last thing I want to see is are these CAP out teams like Miami, Boston, Indi, Bucks, do S&T.

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More than happy to take on Prince's contract, but never Love's