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2/7/2021  6:03 PM
we traded pick 45 and a guy in the G league for a player the coach really likes. Some of the knee jerking is a little over the top. Lets see yea?

On a funny note Frank survives again?

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2/7/2021  6:06 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright youmg minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

When he went to Mini he help then make the Playoffs for the first time in decades, carried the team when butler was hurt for a month.

Was a MVP in Thibs system and has always played solid all around game under thibs

His numbers are better than Payton and he was coming off the bench in Detroit playing 7 minutes less.

Everyone of our guards have been very inconsistent (which is why the team is so inconsistent) so having more to work with is always a good thing.

I promise you he's going to make you EAT YOUR WORDS just like RANDLE did.

This is not the ROSE that HATED PHIL JACKSON'S TRIANGLE


Whatever. I'm not feeling Rose and you love him. My main point is that he doesn't really address this team's needs. We need three-point shooting? DRose is a slasher, who isn't really a good playmaker and who do any play defense. I've seen him here already. He played selfishly and didn't understand the nuances of running an offense outside of iso.
Exactly
thats a good point. Also remember that Thibs ran the offense through other players quite a lot when he had Rose. Thibs knows what Rose can and cant do
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2/7/2021  6:20 PM
Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.
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2/7/2021  6:24 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.

Or do them both at once. Say you want to give it a chance but also say it will fail because of these reasons.

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2/7/2021  6:29 PM
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2/7/2021  6:29 PM
martin wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.

Or do them both at once. Say you want to give it a chance but also say it will fail because of these reasons.

well obviously I have no choice 😂. The trade was made so obviously I hope for the best but personally i don’t see it being successful
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2/7/2021  6:33 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.

That's ridiculous considering he was on a top defensive team any time he was playing under THIBS.

I trust a coach who has taken the same exact roster that was horrible defensively last season and made the same group a top defensive team this yr.

we don't have anyone in this current rotation that would make any NBA Defensive teams, yet as a unit we defend among the best of them.

Last time I check (about 2 seconds ago) we are last in scoring, and that's what Rose brings

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2/7/2021  6:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.

That's ridiculous considering he was on a top defensive team any time he was playing under THIBS.

I trust a coach who has taken the same exact roster that was horrible defensively last season and made the same group a top defensive team this yr.

we don't have anyone in this current rotation that would make any NBA Defensive teams, yet as a unit we defend among the best of them.

Last time I check (about 2 seconds ago) we are last in scoring, and that's what Rose brings

Bro your posts are starting to make sense and I'm getting worried about you

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2/7/2021  6:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2021  6:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.

That's ridiculous considering he was on a top defensive team any time he was playing under THIBS.

I trust a coach who has taken the same exact roster that was horrible defensively last season and made the same group a top defensive team this yr.

we don't have anyone in this current rotation that would make any NBA Defensive teams, yet as a unit we defend among the best of them.

Last time I check (about 2 seconds ago) we are last in scoring, and that's what Rose brings

It’s not ridiculous. Yes the Bulls had a monster defense team(which I mentioned earlier in the thread) which covered his lack of defense but it’s a bit different now. Also he isn’t the same player that’s just a fact. I know you’re a huge fan of Rose which is fine but the criticism the majority of fans have given are valid. Either way it’s over he is here now so just gotta hope for the best. I’m just happy we didn’t give up the Detroit pick
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2/7/2021  7:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2021  7:42 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:Great!
no not great. We are giving up draft picks. If The Knicks gave Detroit their second back they got fleeced

Wow. Trade a young kid after one bad year for a 32 year old with history of knee problems. Plus we give up draft picks? First old school Knick move from Rose. It must be the water at the Garden.

So you believe in DSJ's four years in the league he had three non-bad years? Even in his best season as a rookie, if you actually watched him play and looked beyond surface numbers, he wasn't really that effective or efficient. I will always refer back to reading the Dallas message boards when the trade happened and the consensus of their fans was they were thrilled to move on from him, and it wasn't just because they were getting KP. He wasn't that good even when he was supposedly good. Not to mention, DSJ is hurt A LOT too.

Also consider this, we gave up the lesser of our two 2nd round picks. We still have Detroit's 2nd round pick which would be the first pick in the 2nd round if the draft happened today. And we have two 1st round picks. We're not going to have four rookies on the team next year. Other than a euro "draft and stash" that 2nd round pick, currently projected in the 40s, is not that big a deal.

Then if reports are accurate, Rivers may draw interest from contending teams and (if true) could recoup a 2nd round pick (at most) if we really need to have another one.

I have no idea if this is going to be a good deal for us but I am VERY confident that it is unlikely to be a bad one.
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2/7/2021  7:53 PM
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Knicksfan wrote:Still, you avoid the real issue now: Rose IS a threat at Quickley’s minutes and if you think that if Payton and Rose play well they deserve to get playing time, you are just as shortsighted as Thibs. Yes, let’s win as much as we can, but if that will hurt the development on our young players then we are doing it wrong.

I don't see it as a threat but more like healthy competition and a heavily experienced vet that knows how to do things but maybe can't at the level he once did and can impart that on IQ, both through competition and just showing up to work with him every day. Film. Off day work. Everything.

IQ is a learner, he goes and watches a vet like Kawhi work out before a game. I'd guess the calculation is that he will do the same with Rose. Rivers doesn't cut it. And obviously Payton didn't either.

In the big picture, even if IQ's minutes are cut by a couple (and we don't know that for sure), the value of his time next to a high level vet is invaluable and that's the argument and reasoning Thibs and FO settled on.

The minutes distribution is just a distraction and maybe one minus of it all.

There is a solid misunderstanding or bias that has been at play when Thibs showed up:

- He only plays vets
- He won't give young guys minutes
- He will only have an 8 man rotation
- His coaching style is long forgotten and he hasn't kept up with the modern game

FO has already picked Thibs coaching staff or helped fill it out. They gave him a young team. There were ZERO players over 30 at the season's start.

Thibs has broken most of the preconceptions most have had about him. He has not really brought in all his vets. Knicks brought in Taj when it was obvious they needed a 3rd string C and he has not at all taken minutes away from Robinson and really was already here last year and there was a good chance he would re-sign. The Knicks SUCK ASS on offense and they are bringing in someone to help in that area.


THIS....
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2/7/2021  7:55 PM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Right now the only semi positive thing I can say about this trade is at least it’s Charlottes second rounder. I’m sure Detroit desperately tried to sucker the Knicks into giving back their pick knowing Thibs wanted Rose but thankfully Leon and Perry told them it was not happening. Look like I mentioned before I try to give trades a chance BUT this is the second to around with Rose he is what he is. He isn’t the offensive player he once was and his Lack of defense will kill you.

That's ridiculous considering he was on a top defensive team any time he was playing under THIBS.

I trust a coach who has taken the same exact roster that was horrible defensively last season and made the same group a top defensive team this yr.

we don't have anyone in this current rotation that would make any NBA Defensive teams, yet as a unit we defend among the best of them.

Last time I check (about 2 seconds ago) we are last in scoring, and that's what Rose brings

Bro your posts are starting to make sense and I'm getting worried about you

Same here. But I’m more worried about myself1
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2/7/2021  8:55 PM
If this deal was made in the offseason before we saw what we had in IQ I don't think anyone would have criticized it.
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2/7/2021  9:09 PM
KnickDanger wrote:DSJ was obsolete, we have two firsts and an early second besides the Charlotte second which nearly makes it superfluous. Take on a little more salary -- in other words practically nothing given up of value. The question is what Rose brings positive or negative. It's easy for me to see more negative. Is keeping Thibs happy the positive?

Yeah lets keep him happy by paying Rose 4 years 40 million next year

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Jmpasq wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:DSJ was obsolete, we have two firsts and an early second besides the Charlotte second which nearly makes it superfluous. Take on a little more salary -- in other words practically nothing given up of value. The question is what Rose brings positive or negative. It's easy for me to see more negative. Is keeping Thibs happy the positive?

Yeah lets keep him happy by paying Rose 4 years 40 million next year


I rather take on Rose for 13 mill than the Westbrook deal the may have considered for the 140 mill
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2/7/2021  9:35 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:DSJ was obsolete, we have two firsts and an early second besides the Charlotte second which nearly makes it superfluous. Take on a little more salary -- in other words practically nothing given up of value. The question is what Rose brings positive or negative. It's easy for me to see more negative. Is keeping Thibs happy the positive?

Yeah lets keep him happy by paying Rose 4 years 40 million next year


I rather take on Rose for 13 mill than the Westbrook deal the may have considered for the 140 mill
Yeah, there were a lot of Knick fans co-signing on going after Westbrook. I remember people saying Westbrook never missed the playoffs and would essentially guarantee us making the playoffs. He's playing along side a 2nd superstar and Washington is currently 5-15.
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2/7/2021  10:11 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:DSJ was obsolete, we have two firsts and an early second besides the Charlotte second which nearly makes it superfluous. Take on a little more salary -- in other words practically nothing given up of value. The question is what Rose brings positive or negative. It's easy for me to see more negative. Is keeping Thibs happy the positive?

Yeah lets keep him happy by paying Rose 4 years 40 million next year


I rather take on Rose for 13 mill than the Westbrook deal the may have considered for the 140 mill

I'd rather keep my head down, pass them both by and keep it moving. He's here so there is no use crying about it. The next issue is that we have a small army of flawed guards on our bench and the one that really matters, IQ, is getting crowded out. They need to move Rivers. I'd say Payton, but I don't trust Rose to stay healthy if he plays too many minutes.

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2/7/2021  10:19 PM
The point guard rotation is so crowded now, i hope we can still see a trade or two still go down to address this. Rivers and Payton drawing interests. I hope they pull the trigger on a trade for both players.
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2/7/2021  10:35 PM
Have a little faith. Knicks had obviously moved past Dennis and the Willy pick is not likely of consequence given we kept Detroits 2nd. Rose was about this season.
As for it hurting IQ?
We see it as half empty? Maybe this helps IQ!
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