Vmart wrote:There is nothing wrong with RJ. It’s the Knicks they suck and they can’t keep a team together to save their lives. They always shoot themselves in the foot by adding players that thwart player development. All they had to do was keep the team together from last year and grow as a unit. They wonder why players regress in their developmental process.

LOL for the most part they did

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is nothing wrong with RJ. It’s the Knicks they suck and they can’t keep a team together to save their lives. They always shoot themselves in the foot by adding players that thwart player development. All they had to do was keep the team together from last year and grow as a unit. They wonder why players regress in their developmental process.

LOL for the most part they did

They added two players who had nothing to do with their 4th seed. On top of it they gave them the starting job. They lost Payton, Bullock and Frank. They were essentially your better defensive players. Not to mention regardless of what people think Payton and Randle work well together. You added a player in Kemba who is one of the worst defensive players. Fournier is an okay player but I wouldn’t say he is great defensively. You basically changed 40% of your starting lineup and they are essentially the same. Even one piece change can lead to a team falling apart.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is nothing wrong with RJ. It’s the Knicks they suck and they can’t keep a team together to save their lives. They always shoot themselves in the foot by adding players that thwart player development. All they had to do was keep the team together from last year and grow as a unit. They wonder why players regress in their developmental process.

LOL for the most part they did

They added two players who had nothing to do with their 4th seed. On top of it they gave them the starting job. They lost Payton, Bullock and Frank. They were essentially your better defensive players. Not to mention regardless of what people think Payton and Randle work well together. You added a player in Kemba who is one of the worst defensive players. Fournier is an okay player but I wouldn’t say he is great defensively. You basically changed 40% of your starting lineup and they are essentially the same. Even one piece change can lead to a team falling apart.

Vmart wrote:Why does no one acknowledge synergy, Bullock, Payton and Frank may not be performing well especially Bullock but he fit well with the Knicks. those players may not be performing well but they were part of the 4 th seeded Knicks.

The 4th seeded Knikcs last year were a fluke. This year we are seeing a reversion to the mean. Which for us is borderline playoffs mediocrity of a team.

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is nothing wrong with RJ. It’s the Knicks they suck and they can’t keep a team together to save their lives. They always shoot themselves in the foot by adding players that thwart player development. All they had to do was keep the team together from last year and grow as a unit. They wonder why players regress in their developmental process.

LOL for the most part they did

They added two players who had nothing to do with their 4th seed. On top of it they gave them the starting job. They lost Payton, Bullock and Frank. They were essentially your better defensive players. Not to mention regardless of what people think Payton and Randle work well together. You added a player in Kemba who is one of the worst defensive players. Fournier is an okay player but I wouldn’t say he is great defensively. You basically changed 40% of your starting lineup and they are essentially the same. Even one piece change can lead to a team falling apart.

elf and Frank played a grand total of 16 mins in the playoffs. During the regular season, we were under .500 until we traded for Rose. When we got hot down the stretch of the season, elf was barely getting 20 mins per, wasn't playing in the 4th Q. And Frank was collecting multiple DNPs sitting next to Knox. The team that lost to the Hawks looked more like an 8th seed than a 4th seed.

Speaking of the players you want to grow with:

Bullock is averaging 5 pts per and shooting 27% from 3.
elf is sitting at the end of the bench playing spin the bottle with the towel boy each night.
And Frank is back to playing every 5th game in Dallas.

In sum, we let a third string pg, a situational bench player and a streaky shooting 8th or 9th man walk this summer...Wasn't much growing to be done with that group.

Why does no one acknowledge synergy, Bullock, Payton and Frank may not be performing well especially Bullock but he fit well with the Knicks. those players may not be performing well but they were part of the 4 th seeded Knicks.

Probably the same reason you are not acknowledging that last year was an abnormal year. No fans, multiple teams dealing with covid issue where players were in out of the line up, (We didn't have any major covid issues), Toronto got displaced, Teams in the bubble that advanced didn't get their normal off season rest, etc....It was a weird year for most. Randle had a career year (during the regular season but looked like his normal 2019 self in the playoffs).

Also, some of the teams that finished behind us in the standings last year, have improved and or got healthier. The Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Hornets, Wizards, etc.

So is elf's 20 mins per and Bullocks absent the reason why Randle and RJ has regressed? Reggie not shooting well because he's not playing alongside Randle? Randle not playing D like he did last year because he needs Frank to motivate him?

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is nothing wrong with RJ. It’s the Knicks they suck and they can’t keep a team together to save their lives. They always shoot themselves in the foot by adding players that thwart player development. All they had to do was keep the team together from last year and grow as a unit. They wonder why players regress in their developmental process.

LOL for the most part they did

They added two players who had nothing to do with their 4th seed. On top of it they gave them the starting job. They lost Payton, Bullock and Frank. They were essentially your better defensive players. Not to mention regardless of what people think Payton and Randle work well together. You added a player in Kemba who is one of the worst defensive players. Fournier is an okay player but I wouldn’t say he is great defensively. You basically changed 40% of your starting lineup and they are essentially the same. Even one piece change can lead to a team falling apart.

elf and Frank played a grand total of 16 mins in the playoffs. During the regular season, we were under .500 until we traded for Rose. When we got hot down the stretch of the season, elf was barely getting 20 mins per, wasn't playing in the 4th Q. And Frank was collecting multiple DNPs sitting next to Knox. The team that lost to the Hawks looked more like an 8th seed than a 4th seed.

Speaking of the players you want to grow with:

Bullock is averaging 5 pts per and shooting 27% from 3.
elf is sitting at the end of the bench playing spin the bottle with the towel boy each night.
And Frank is back to playing every 5th game in Dallas.

In sum, we let a third string pg, a situational bench player and a streaky shooting 8th or 9th man walk this summer...Wasn't much growing to be done with that group.

Why does no one acknowledge synergy, Bullock, Payton and Frank may not be performing well especially Bullock but he fit well with the Knicks. those players may not be performing well but they were part of the 4 th seeded Knicks.

Probably the same reason you are not acknowledging that last year was an abnormal year. No fans, multiple teams dealing with covid issue where players were in out of the line up, (We didn't have any major covid issues), Toronto got displaced, Teams in the bubble that advanced didn't get their normal off season rest, etc....It was a weird year for most. Randle had a career year (during the regular season but looked like his normal 2019 self in the playoffs).

Also, some of the teams that finished behind us in the standings last year, have improved and or got healthier. The Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Hornets, Wizards, etc.

So is elf's 20 mins per and Bullocks absent the reason why Randle and RJ has regressed? Reggie not shooting well because he's not playing alongside Randle? Randle not playing D like he did last year because he needs Frank to motivate him?

Randle is acting like 90% of players once they get their big contract. They usually regress a little at least their first season

I am worried about RJ. He doesn’t look happy. I can see the Knicks doing something really stupid like trading him in about a year from now and watch him become all world somewhere else

Philc1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is nothing wrong with RJ. It’s the Knicks they suck and they can’t keep a team together to save their lives. They always shoot themselves in the foot by adding players that thwart player development. All they had to do was keep the team together from last year and grow as a unit. They wonder why players regress in their developmental process.

LOL for the most part they did

They added two players who had nothing to do with their 4th seed. On top of it they gave them the starting job. They lost Payton, Bullock and Frank. They were essentially your better defensive players. Not to mention regardless of what people think Payton and Randle work well together. You added a player in Kemba who is one of the worst defensive players. Fournier is an okay player but I wouldn’t say he is great defensively. You basically changed 40% of your starting lineup and they are essentially the same. Even one piece change can lead to a team falling apart.

elf and Frank played a grand total of 16 mins in the playoffs. During the regular season, we were under .500 until we traded for Rose. When we got hot down the stretch of the season, elf was barely getting 20 mins per, wasn't playing in the 4th Q. And Frank was collecting multiple DNPs sitting next to Knox. The team that lost to the Hawks looked more like an 8th seed than a 4th seed.

Speaking of the players you want to grow with:

Bullock is averaging 5 pts per and shooting 27% from 3.
elf is sitting at the end of the bench playing spin the bottle with the towel boy each night.
And Frank is back to playing every 5th game in Dallas.

In sum, we let a third string pg, a situational bench player and a streaky shooting 8th or 9th man walk this summer...Wasn't much growing to be done with that group.

Why does no one acknowledge synergy, Bullock, Payton and Frank may not be performing well especially Bullock but he fit well with the Knicks. those players may not be performing well but they were part of the 4 th seeded Knicks.

Probably the same reason you are not acknowledging that last year was an abnormal year. No fans, multiple teams dealing with covid issue where players were in out of the line up, (We didn't have any major covid issues), Toronto got displaced, Teams in the bubble that advanced didn't get their normal off season rest, etc....It was a weird year for most. Randle had a career year (during the regular season but looked like his normal 2019 self in the playoffs).

Also, some of the teams that finished behind us in the standings last year, have improved and or got healthier. The Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Hornets, Wizards, etc.

So is elf's 20 mins per and Bullocks absent the reason why Randle and RJ has regressed? Reggie not shooting well because he's not playing alongside Randle? Randle not playing D like he did last year because he needs Frank to motivate him?

Randle is acting like 90% of players once they get their big contract. They usually regress a little at least their first season

I am worried about RJ. He doesn’t look happy. I can see the Knicks doing something really stupid like trading him in about a year from now and watch him become all world somewhere else

who around Randle is playing up to par?

Who should the opposing team focus on other than Randle.... RJ, Fournier, Mitch, Kemba/Burks....which one of those guys draws double teams, or do you even have to defend them tight.

You shouldn't care who they trade as long as it makes the team better..

Who gives fck if RJ turns into a all star, there's been plenty of those on losing teams

Nalod wrote:Did anyone listen to Thibs comment or take the bait from Tommy Beer.
Beer does a good job but often he is leading.
Thibs intimated that RJ has been sick. The quote by itself suggests RJ is slacking.
Listen to the bit and then think. To me it suggested he has not been able to practice.
Did not get that he was “calling him out”.

Anyone else get that or am I drinking the maple flavored Kool Aid?

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