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fishmike
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10/29/2019  10:46 AM
Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

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10/29/2019  10:56 AM
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

Excellent summary. A lot of great points i didn't think about.

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10/29/2019  11:03 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

does the current FO get a mulligan for last year?

It's clear you hate Phil, but he was trying to play a hand with limited cap, no picks etc and his bad era still did better than last year

Sorry to wake you up from your happy dream

I watched Phil play at MSG, win a ring. Was happy to see him hired. Was one of his biggest defenders until Rose/Noah. Its clear you dont know what the F you are talking about. Im no Phil fanboy. When he did good I said so, when he F'ed up, did the same.

Frank got PT hours after some of you were carping about Fizdale's agenda towards him. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you drag Phil back into the conversation. Fanboys.

I can’t believe anyone who defends Fizz. The man is simply a survivor and is clueless about coaching. The fans literally had light a fire under is azz before he went to Frank. He is a complete novice at whatever he is doing. Sad the fans had to show him how make a lineup that will help him win.

Only thing Im defending is Fizdale getting a fair shot to keep his job. First week of the season, and you already want him fired.

Yes because he doesn’t give the team the best shot at winning basketball. There is a very very good chance he loses that Bulls game if his hand wasn’t forced by injuries and fans. I’m willing to give him a shot if he removes his biases. Gets rid of the Perry’s agendas and focuses on the defensive aspects of basketball.

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10/29/2019  11:04 AM
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

does the current FO get a mulligan for last year?

It's clear you hate Phil, but he was trying to play a hand with limited cap, no picks etc and his bad era still did better than last year

Sorry to wake you up from your happy dream

I watched Phil play at MSG, win a ring. Was happy to see him hired. Was one of his biggest defenders until Rose/Noah. Its clear you dont know what the F you are talking about. Im no Phil fanboy. When he did good I said so, when he F'ed up, did the same.

Frank got PT hours after some of you were carping about Fizdale's agenda towards him. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you drag Phil back into the conversation. Fanboys.

What are you 12?

you said Phil's era was the worst record which is demonstrably wrong

Do you think Fizz was giving Frank the minutes without the DSJ family situation? That's not what he implied post-Celtics game, when he said he heard the chants but he's gonna coach the team his way (i.e., not the fan's)

Listen any reasonable fan wanted Phil to succeed. He didn't. Some here -- notably Crush -- outlined a number of foibles long before other

The fact that Phil sucked doesn't mean the current FO is good.

No, 12 year olds accuse others of hating Phil because they dont reflexively defend every move he made as an exec. 80-166, worst, second worst, who cares? Its one of the worst performances by a Knicks exec in franchise history. Thats what you are defending. Thats what you Phil fanboys keep digging up. as a response to why Frank isnt a starter by now.

Its hatred of Phil, by Fizdale, Perry, Mills, the guy who sells pretzels. One big tin foil conspiracy. Its childish.

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10/29/2019  11:09 AM
All centers... but I gotta guess pace of game comes into play for RJ.

Man, still impressive.

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10/29/2019  11:13 AM
martin wrote:All centers... but I gotta guess pace of game comes into play for RJ.

Man, still impressive.

That's some great company to be with. I think this was a situation where all the Zion hype turned out to be a blessing in disguise for us when we dropped to 3. RJ was considered the top prospect for a long time. He isn't flashy but he gets the job done. he also defends,rebounds,can run the point if needed, etc. Complete player
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10/29/2019  11:16 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:All centers... but I gotta guess pace of game comes into play for RJ.

Man, still impressive.

That's some great company to be with. I think this was a situation where all the Zion hype turned out to be a blessing in disguise for us when we dropped to 3. RJ was considered the top prospect for a long time. He isn't flashy but he gets the job done. he also defends,rebounds,can run the point if needed, etc. Complete player

Complete player indeed.

I was super worried during preseason but that seems ages ago.

Still would like to see the Knicks with a full time PG next to Barrett. Payton, DSJr and Frank don't yet count for me

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10/29/2019  11:24 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

does the current FO get a mulligan for last year?

It's clear you hate Phil, but he was trying to play a hand with limited cap, no picks etc and his bad era still did better than last year

Sorry to wake you up from your happy dream

I watched Phil play at MSG, win a ring. Was happy to see him hired. Was one of his biggest defenders until Rose/Noah. Its clear you dont know what the F you are talking about. Im no Phil fanboy. When he did good I said so, when he F'ed up, did the same.

Frank got PT hours after some of you were carping about Fizdale's agenda towards him. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you drag Phil back into the conversation. Fanboys.

What are you 12?

you said Phil's era was the worst record which is demonstrably wrong

Do you think Fizz was giving Frank the minutes without the DSJ family situation? That's not what he implied post-Celtics game, when he said he heard the chants but he's gonna coach the team his way (i.e., not the fan's)

Listen any reasonable fan wanted Phil to succeed. He didn't. Some here -- notably Crush -- outlined a number of foibles long before other

The fact that Phil sucked doesn't mean the current FO is good.

No, 12 year olds accuse others of hating Phil because they dont reflexively defend every move he made as an exec. 80-166, worst, second worst, who cares? Its one of the worst performances by a Knicks exec in franchise history. Thats what you are defending. Thats what you Phil fanboys keep digging up. as a response to why Frank isnt a starter by now.

Its hatred of Phil, by Fizdale, Perry, Mills, the guy who sells pretzels. One big tin foil conspiracy. Its childish.

You are delusional, and just throwing sh!t around.

I wanted Phil to succeed and many times applauded his philosophy. But i also came to the conclusion (aided by many sensible posters here) that his execution sucked and he made many mistakes. I still hold those views. I also acknowledge he came in with something of a deck stacked against him -- not granting a mulligan for it, but those are the facts

I have also said many times this season that, while I'm critical of the FO and Fizz, i can appreciate Fizz's logic of starting the game with no pg at all. So i don't know where you get Frank starting stuff, but not from me. Frank should have a role because he can contribute on defense and, for example, any dumb dumb would know he plays Kemba particularly well

"fanboy". Is that something grown-ups really say?

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10/29/2019  11:26 AM
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

Hey Fish. Sounds like a great time with your Son!!

I wish Taj would teach Knox how to set a pick (now that he has some more meat on his bones) -- could generate some pick and pop into his game

And I agree re Randle. I do think sometimes the refs still call a foul on his picks (even when good) out of sympathy for the guy who just got creamed.

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10/29/2019  11:34 AM
Chandler wrote:
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

Hey Fish. Sounds like a great time with your Son!!

I wish Taj would teach Knox how to set a pick (now that he has some more meat on his bones) -- could generate some pick and pop into his game

And I agree re Randle. I do think sometimes the refs still call a foul on his picks (even when good) out of sympathy for the guy who just got creamed.

fish, i agree with your assessment of Marketing. btw how did Supply Chain look?

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10/29/2019  11:36 AM
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fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

Hey Fish. Sounds like a great time with your Son!!

I wish Taj would teach Knox how to set a pick (now that he has some more meat on his bones) -- could generate some pick and pop into his game

And I agree re Randle. I do think sometimes the refs still call a foul on his picks (even when good) out of sympathy for the guy who just got creamed.

thanks man! Knox is going to be fine. Might take some years but I am confident you will continue to see steady growth from him. He's really active. He's really working hard away from the ball to be in the right place and find his man help. He's missing it some of the times but he's trying hard NOT to miss it, and thats strikes me as much better than others who have no clue. He's already turning into a good ball mover and he's a fearless scorer. He's another guy who will look great if we ever get a bigtime PG or develop one.
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10/29/2019  11:36 AM
Marv wrote:
Chandler wrote:
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

Hey Fish. Sounds like a great time with your Son!!

I wish Taj would teach Knox how to set a pick (now that he has some more meat on his bones) -- could generate some pick and pop into his game

And I agree re Randle. I do think sometimes the refs still call a foul on his picks (even when good) out of sympathy for the guy who just got creamed.

fish, i agree with your assessment of Marketing. btw how did Supply Chain look?

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10/29/2019  11:42 AM
Chandler wrote:
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

Hey Fish. Sounds like a great time with your Son!!

I wish Taj would teach Knox how to set a pick (now that he has some more meat on his bones) -- could generate some pick and pop into his game

And I agree re Randle. I do think sometimes the refs still call a foul on his picks (even when good) out of sympathy for the guy who just got creamed.

Knox, Mitch and Randle all need lessons

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10/29/2019  11:47 AM
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

You scored as many points as Frank and yet your presence was felt as well. Get this man and his son a 41 game package.

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Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:Went to the game. Was really fun. Picked up a 5 game package to take my 16 year old son to some games. We do random stuff together to hang out, Red Bulls games, Motor cross... a couple years ago I took him to the Knick game and it was that double OT loss where KP and Marketing were dueling it out in dramatic fashion. He said "that was fun, can we go again?" and I bought 5 games for this year.

Worst PG play I have seen in an NBA game in a long time. Neither team had any ball movement. It was all bigs barreling to the basket and kicking out. Elf looked terrible getting us into any kind of offense. Frank didnt look much better but did pick up the pace a bit. Watching Knox from this year to last is inspiring. He really looks like he's taking good steps. RJ is such a man. He forces action. Portis obviously kept us in this by hitting every shot. He's got scoring chops no doubt but he was quite energized on D as well.

LOL its so funny but we have role players at PG and good passing bigs and RJ. Knicks should be playing the triangle based on this personnel

Trier did not look happy about sitting. To be fair Ellington looked great. He hits big shots and is a very good ball mover. He's a nice weapon off the bench. If you told him he was a star, paid him and started him he might be Tim Hardaway, but in this role he's great.

Morris and Taj might be the only guys on the roster who can set a clean pick. Randle tries really hard but destroys guys and gets hit with an offensive foul or two every game it seams. Randle is not a guard. He would look great WITH a good PG, making the 2nd pass and moving the ball. Him handling the ball in the high post and making decisions does not look to play to his strength. When he's in motion and his options are score or dump he's really really good at both. I think Randle will be a really good player for us if we can get a bit more system-structure oriented. Its early.

Mitch is so active under the boards and on the offensive glass. Its so early for him also. His +/- was brutal but still looked good doing his thing.

Bulls have an interesting squad. Lots of good players, not one great one. Zach is dumb and Frank locked him down pretty good late. Marketing is really good but a bit one dimensional. He's a Gallo-clone and thats a good player. Bulls PGs suck, always thought Dunn would be a stud. He's terrible. Carter is really good too. Cobe didnt have much of an impact. He hit a jumper in Frank's face but I dont remember much else. He was another guy Frank was draped on at times. Its tough... Bulls kind of in no-mans land talent wise. Maybe they grow together and get good, but it strikes me as a squad lacking impact/star potential players. We'll see but they have a fun team.

You scored as many points as Frank and yet your presence was felt as well. Get this man and his son a 41 game package.

well we did cheer a lot, so there's that. 41 games is out of the budget. Do I look like a DJ???
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10/29/2019  11:58 AM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

You know if Payton doesn’t pull a hammy he is finishing that game. Fizz played Frank out of necessity because he is the last pg left on the bench. Another reality of playing Frank is to keep the masses off his back as they were all becoming disgruntled with his and Perry’s meddling with their biases all to save face on a deal gone bad. These are same idiots entertaining trading Frank because they have no use for defensive players.

On not scoring:
Fizdale wrote:“It didn’t matter,” Fizdale said. “His minutes were fantastic. He guarded, he set the tone defensively, he made some nice plays to set some people up, he got us organized. The shots will fall for him, but the thing I’m proud of is how he kept himself ready, like I knew he would.

“Every day he wasn’t playing he was in the gym getting a sweat, just letting me know, ‘Coach, I’m ready when you need me.’ So I was really proud of his effort.”


On if he goes back to Elf:
Fizdale wrote:“Frank was playing a good game for us. I don’t know if I would’ve went back for Elfrid or not,” Fizdale said. “Next man up and that’s Frank. He’s done a great job keeping himself prepared and ready for this.”

Hey Vmart... what is your problem? Seriously... your favorite player got burn and made good plays in a big comeback, the team you pretend to be a fan of won and you are nothing but salt and misery. I honestly feel bad for you bro... if you cant enjoy this for 2 minutes maybe go read a book or paint something. Why are you here? You are not even talking about basketball. Fizdale sucks, or he doesnt. Did he kill your phucking dog? These are the moments you are supposed to enjoy (in case you were not sure... Its OK to enjoy these moments)

I’ll tell you what the problem is and why everyone here should be upset with management. They are playing favoritism with young kids based on someone else picking them up. The burn Frank got was out of necessity not because the coach saw a need for him. That is where the problem lies the intelligence that is lacking in the coach is unavoidable and needs to be scrutinized. As far as Perry he is trying to move the kid so his pickup DSJ can get the mantle all because he needs to justify a lousy deal. The PG of the future is right under their nose and they can’t see it. This is the type of MSG bullshyt that fans have to deal with f’ing bias driven management. This has plagued NYK for decades now and Perry and Fizdale come in displaying the same BS as before.

When you have agenda driven idiots running the show I fear it will be short lived.

Well stated. My concerns as well.

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10/29/2019  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2019  12:00 PM
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

does the current FO get a mulligan for last year?

It's clear you hate Phil, but he was trying to play a hand with limited cap, no picks etc and his bad era still did better than last year

Sorry to wake you up from your happy dream

I watched Phil play at MSG, win a ring. Was happy to see him hired. Was one of his biggest defenders until Rose/Noah. Its clear you dont know what the F you are talking about. Im no Phil fanboy. When he did good I said so, when he F'ed up, did the same.

Frank got PT hours after some of you were carping about Fizdale's agenda towards him. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you drag Phil back into the conversation. Fanboys.

What are you 12?

you said Phil's era was the worst record which is demonstrably wrong

Do you think Fizz was giving Frank the minutes without the DSJ family situation? That's not what he implied post-Celtics game, when he said he heard the chants but he's gonna coach the team his way (i.e., not the fan's)

Listen any reasonable fan wanted Phil to succeed. He didn't. Some here -- notably Crush -- outlined a number of foibles long before other

The fact that Phil sucked doesn't mean the current FO is good.

No, 12 year olds accuse others of hating Phil because they dont reflexively defend every move he made as an exec. 80-166, worst, second worst, who cares? Its one of the worst performances by a Knicks exec in franchise history. Thats what you are defending. Thats what you Phil fanboys keep digging up. as a response to why Frank isnt a starter by now.

Its hatred of Phil, by Fizdale, Perry, Mills, the guy who sells pretzels. One big tin foil conspiracy. Its childish.

You are delusional, and just throwing sh!t around.

I wanted Phil to succeed and many times applauded his philosophy. But i also came to the conclusion (aided by many sensible posters here) that his execution sucked and he made many mistakes. I still hold those views. I also acknowledge he came in with something of a deck stacked against him -- not granting a mulligan for it, but those are the facts

I have also said many times this season that, while I'm critical of the FO and Fizz, i can appreciate Fizz's logic of starting the game with no pg at all. So i don't know where you get Frank starting stuff, but not from me. Frank should have a role because he can contribute on defense and, for example, any dumb dumb would know he plays Kemba particularly well

"fanboy". Is that something grown-ups really say?

Fanboy is an accurate representation of someone who claims that I clearly hate Phil. "Grown-ups" certainly dont do that. You will have a hard time finding me calling other posters "hater" as in "Frank haters" "Phil haters".

This convo started because another poster couldnt acknowledge that their theory about Fizdale planning to keep Frank on the bench was false. DSJr is seen wearing a back brace on the bench, and posters are worried Frank wont get PT?

Perry and the illuminati will call Fizdale and send Frank to G league? They think so little of Frank, yet he didnt spend one second in G-league. They think so little of Frank, yet they pick up his option. No one on the Knicks ia trying to end Frank's career. Some of you couldnt even give Fizdale a week to find PT for Frank. Trier sat, and has played well. No conspiracy there, coaches decision. If you want to know why the minutes havent been there for Frank beyond that of a reserve, you just had to watch him play. Not about who drafted him.

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10/29/2019  12:14 PM
fwk00 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

You know if Payton doesn’t pull a hammy he is finishing that game. Fizz played Frank out of necessity because he is the last pg left on the bench. Another reality of playing Frank is to keep the masses off his back as they were all becoming disgruntled with his and Perry’s meddling with their biases all to save face on a deal gone bad. These are same idiots entertaining trading Frank because they have no use for defensive players.

On not scoring:
Fizdale wrote:“It didn’t matter,” Fizdale said. “His minutes were fantastic. He guarded, he set the tone defensively, he made some nice plays to set some people up, he got us organized. The shots will fall for him, but the thing I’m proud of is how he kept himself ready, like I knew he would.

“Every day he wasn’t playing he was in the gym getting a sweat, just letting me know, ‘Coach, I’m ready when you need me.’ So I was really proud of his effort.”


On if he goes back to Elf:
Fizdale wrote:“Frank was playing a good game for us. I don’t know if I would’ve went back for Elfrid or not,” Fizdale said. “Next man up and that’s Frank. He’s done a great job keeping himself prepared and ready for this.”

Hey Vmart... what is your problem? Seriously... your favorite player got burn and made good plays in a big comeback, the team you pretend to be a fan of won and you are nothing but salt and misery. I honestly feel bad for you bro... if you cant enjoy this for 2 minutes maybe go read a book or paint something. Why are you here? You are not even talking about basketball. Fizdale sucks, or he doesnt. Did he kill your phucking dog? These are the moments you are supposed to enjoy (in case you were not sure... Its OK to enjoy these moments)

I’ll tell you what the problem is and why everyone here should be upset with management. They are playing favoritism with young kids based on someone else picking them up. The burn Frank got was out of necessity not because the coach saw a need for him. That is where the problem lies the intelligence that is lacking in the coach is unavoidable and needs to be scrutinized. As far as Perry he is trying to move the kid so his pickup DSJ can get the mantle all because he needs to justify a lousy deal. The PG of the future is right under their nose and they can’t see it. This is the type of MSG bullshyt that fans have to deal with f’ing bias driven management. This has plagued NYK for decades now and Perry and Fizdale come in displaying the same BS as before.

When you have agenda driven idiots running the show I fear it will be short lived.

Well stated. My concerns as well.

Frank has done NOOOOOTHING to deserve playing time over Elf or DSjr. Favoritism? I love how folks make wild sweeping judgements on Perry's agenda when they have no idea. Maybe Fizdale is desperate for one of these PGs to win the job.

Maybe Frank will make a basket next game? Who knows.... Favoritism!

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10/29/2019  12:20 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

does the current FO get a mulligan for last year?

It's clear you hate Phil, but he was trying to play a hand with limited cap, no picks etc and his bad era still did better than last year

Sorry to wake you up from your happy dream

I watched Phil play at MSG, win a ring. Was happy to see him hired. Was one of his biggest defenders until Rose/Noah. Its clear you dont know what the F you are talking about. Im no Phil fanboy. When he did good I said so, when he F'ed up, did the same.

Frank got PT hours after some of you were carping about Fizdale's agenda towards him. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you drag Phil back into the conversation. Fanboys.

What are you 12?

you said Phil's era was the worst record which is demonstrably wrong

Do you think Fizz was giving Frank the minutes without the DSJ family situation? That's not what he implied post-Celtics game, when he said he heard the chants but he's gonna coach the team his way (i.e., not the fan's)

Listen any reasonable fan wanted Phil to succeed. He didn't. Some here -- notably Crush -- outlined a number of foibles long before other

The fact that Phil sucked doesn't mean the current FO is good.

No, 12 year olds accuse others of hating Phil because they dont reflexively defend every move he made as an exec. 80-166, worst, second worst, who cares? Its one of the worst performances by a Knicks exec in franchise history. Thats what you are defending. Thats what you Phil fanboys keep digging up. as a response to why Frank isnt a starter by now.

Its hatred of Phil, by Fizdale, Perry, Mills, the guy who sells pretzels. One big tin foil conspiracy. Its childish.

You are delusional, and just throwing sh!t around.

I wanted Phil to succeed and many times applauded his philosophy. But i also came to the conclusion (aided by many sensible posters here) that his execution sucked and he made many mistakes. I still hold those views. I also acknowledge he came in with something of a deck stacked against him -- not granting a mulligan for it, but those are the facts

I have also said many times this season that, while I'm critical of the FO and Fizz, i can appreciate Fizz's logic of starting the game with no pg at all. So i don't know where you get Frank starting stuff, but not from me. Frank should have a role because he can contribute on defense and, for example, any dumb dumb would know he plays Kemba particularly well

"fanboy". Is that something grown-ups really say?

Fanboy is an accurate representation of someone who claims that I clearly hate Phil. "Grown-ups" certainly dont do that. You will have a hard time finding me calling other posters "hater" as in "Frank haters" "Phil haters".

This convo started because another poster couldnt acknowledge that their theory about Fizdale planning to keep Frank on the bench was false. DSJr is seen wearing a back brace on the bench, and posters are worried Frank wont get PT?

Perry and the illuminati will call Fizdale and send Frank to G league? They think so little of Frank, yet he didnt spend one second in G-league. They think so little of Frank, yet they pick up his option. No one on the Knicks ia trying to end Frank's career. Some of you couldnt even give Fizdale a week to find PT for Frank. Trier sat, and has played well. No conspiracy there, coaches decision. If you want to know why the minutes havent been there for Frank beyond that of a reserve, you just had to watch him play. Not about who drafted him.

The whole "send Frank to the G-League" meme has always been lame. He is an integral component to a championship team. And he's an unintuitive asset. Yes, defense... blah, blah, blah. But more than anything else, unique and rare talent. This is not the same as recognizing "a stud". Its about recognizing a work-in-progress on the youngest of valuable gems.

I do fear that corporate politics will lead to his being traded. NY has one of the most consistently frustrating FO histories in all of sports.

OTOH, NY has one of the strongest fan bases in sport and they love Frankie. That's a good thing, a team salvation thing.

The problem with your thesis is that we never "just had to watch him play". He should have been playing in those first three games for three reasons.

First, DSJ was not right regardless of reason.

Two, Frankie's preseason play earned him at least that much consideration.

Three, given the schedule, winning winnable games HAS TO take priority over experimenting with off guards as PGs. Do that when you're playing the Clippers, and so on. Nothing wrong with dicking around with house money but the fans have suffered enough. Win winnable games. IFF the FO is interfering they need to STFU and let this team find its winning ways.

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10/29/2019  12:45 PM
fishmike wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Vmart wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I give FIzdale credit. If he coaches like this often we are gonna have a fun season because we have talent and depth. I really want the “experts” to eat a ton of crow

If not for injuries Frank doesn’t even play any significant minutes. The sad part is fans knew when our coach was driving home Perry’s agenda of ostracizing Phil’s draft picks. Far as I’m concerned Perry and Fizdale should be fired on the spot for their negligence.


Cant believe you actually wrote this. Not 24 hours after saying that Fizdale hates Frank and wants to keep him buried on the bench, he gets important minutes in a our first win. Is brought back in the game, even though he couldnt find the rim. Was doing other things well.

Your theory about Fizdale (just 3 games into the season) was blown to hades. There is a long line at PG, Fizdale could have kept Frank on the bench. Some of you are still butt hurt over Phil. Worst record in franchise history as an exec. Accept it and move on. Frank will sink or swim on what he does on the court, not who picked him.

You know if Payton doesn’t pull a hammy he is finishing that game. Fizz played Frank out of necessity because he is the last pg left on the bench. Another reality of playing Frank is to keep the masses off his back as they were all becoming disgruntled with his and Perry’s meddling with their biases all to save face on a deal gone bad. These are same idiots entertaining trading Frank because they have no use for defensive players.

On not scoring:
Fizdale wrote:“It didn’t matter,” Fizdale said. “His minutes were fantastic. He guarded, he set the tone defensively, he made some nice plays to set some people up, he got us organized. The shots will fall for him, but the thing I’m proud of is how he kept himself ready, like I knew he would.

“Every day he wasn’t playing he was in the gym getting a sweat, just letting me know, ‘Coach, I’m ready when you need me.’ So I was really proud of his effort.”


On if he goes back to Elf:
Fizdale wrote:“Frank was playing a good game for us. I don’t know if I would’ve went back for Elfrid or not,” Fizdale said. “Next man up and that’s Frank. He’s done a great job keeping himself prepared and ready for this.”

Hey Vmart... what is your problem? Seriously... your favorite player got burn and made good plays in a big comeback, the team you pretend to be a fan of won and you are nothing but salt and misery. I honestly feel bad for you bro... if you cant enjoy this for 2 minutes maybe go read a book or paint something. Why are you here? You are not even talking about basketball. Fizdale sucks, or he doesnt. Did he kill your phucking dog? These are the moments you are supposed to enjoy (in case you were not sure... Its OK to enjoy these moments)

I’ll tell you what the problem is and why everyone here should be upset with management. They are playing favoritism with young kids based on someone else picking them up. The burn Frank got was out of necessity not because the coach saw a need for him. That is where the problem lies the intelligence that is lacking in the coach is unavoidable and needs to be scrutinized. As far as Perry he is trying to move the kid so his pickup DSJ can get the mantle all because he needs to justify a lousy deal. The PG of the future is right under their nose and they can’t see it. This is the type of MSG bullshyt that fans have to deal with f’ing bias driven management. This has plagued NYK for decades now and Perry and Fizdale come in displaying the same BS as before.

When you have agenda driven idiots running the show I fear it will be short lived.

Well stated. My concerns as well.

Frank has done NOOOOOTHING to deserve playing time over Elf or DSjr. Favoritism? I love how folks make wild sweeping judgements on Perry's agenda when they have no idea. Maybe Fizdale is desperate for one of these PGs to win the job.

Maybe Frank will make a basket next game? Who knows.... Favoritism!

He played 50% of the game the right way. You know the end where team holds the opposition from scoring baskets.

If given another fair opportunity he will score you a basket or two.

Knicks better not come with that Bull**** today! Game thread.

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