CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

It's only been 3 games of an 82 game season. Frank's time will come shortly. Smith has a ton of potential and the coach is trying to tap into it. Clearly Smith is pressing, and after today's performance, Frank's time may be sooner rather than later. Smith had some really good games for us last year so the potential is there....

This is Fiz’s second year with the team.

He has 9 new players on a 15 man roster. His continuity guys are second and third year players. Of the six guys the Knicks kept, only Trier and Dot are over age 21. Only Frank and Dot have been with the team for three years.

Yeah, lack of continuity is the reason he admittedly didn’t have a game plan Pat year and so far shows none in year 2.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

Uptown and crush like fizz and dsj

They were fooled IMO

Also, a bit shocked at the passion guys have for Frank. Would love for him to play well and be a rotation player but I don't think his struggles are because of the two coaches he has had. He hasn't been a very good nba player

As knick fans arent we suppose to have passion for our young players and want them to succeed?

Absolutely. But I think you have been a fan for a long time. DSJR is a young player. Trier is a young player. RJ is a young player. Frank averaged 20 minutes a game last year. It's obvious Fiz did not like what he saw or has seen in practice from him. IMO, and I think you have been watching for many years, there is nothing wrong with having young guys ride the pine and learn until they have the confidence and skills to play. Last year was different. We had no one that could play. They obviously made a decision to go a different direction this year. Think the thing we have to fight through is the adjustment period for a new cast of players.

Knicksfan wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Still not ready to hit the panic button. Yes its ugly on many levels, also early. Not worth getting wired up.about the bad start until enough time has passed to say that we should have made the necessary adjustments, by now. A month or so from that. Do want to see a lot more screens set, it was a point of emphasis last season. This season so far, its been an afterthought.

You can hit it anytime you want.

Won’t change the play on the court, the game plan Fiz has had for two years now and the fact that 17 wins may be again in our horizon.

Know that. Last season it was the youngest starting lineup in the NBA, and a mission to tank, develop players. This season its almost new roster, with little time to get on the same page, because of a short preseason. If Im going to hit the panic button, it will be when Fizdale has been given enough time with a deep roster to prove he isnt the right coach. Believe we have a ways to go to get there You might be right that he isnt going to work out, would rather wait until he has been given the opportunity to prove that himself. Game 3 aint it.

GustavBahler wrote:Still not ready to hit the panic button. Yes its ugly on many levels, also early. Not worth getting wired up.about the bad start until enough time has passed to say that we should have made the necessary adjustments, by now. A month or so from that. Do want to see a lot more screens set, it was a point of emphasis last season. This season so far, its been an afterthought.

I agree with most of this, but there's one nagging thing...Fiz's inability to make in-game adjustments, especially late in the game, is something that has followed him from Memphis. That is starting to become alarming.

We have very little talent. We signed what was left on the table. That's why we have short contracts. This team or coach will break the spirit of these young guys.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

Uptown and crush watched Frank and DSJR for 2 years.

They're not fooled IMO

Fixed

If you are going to fix it, take out the fooled part. I'm nobody's fool...all eyes seeing.

True. Fixed my fixed

Peace

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

It's only been 3 games of an 82 game season. Frank's time will come shortly. Smith has a ton of potential and the coach is trying to tap into it. Clearly Smith is pressing, and after today's performance, Frank's time may be sooner rather than later. Smith had some really good games for us last year so the potential is there....

This is Fiz’s second year with the team.

He has 9 new players on a 15 man roster. His continuity guys are second and third year players. Of the six guys the Knicks kept, only Trier and Dot are over age 21. Only Frank and Dot have been with the team for three years.

You do know most arm chair fans think an offense that was introduced to 9 players should be mastered in ONE months time.

One month...judging by these post, it should have been fixed pre season game 2

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Still not ready to hit the panic button. Yes its ugly on many levels, also early. Not worth getting wired up.about the bad start until enough time has passed to say that we should have made the necessary adjustments, by now. A month or so from that. Do want to see a lot more screens set, it was a point of emphasis last season. This season so far, its been an afterthought.

I agree with most of this, but there's one nagging thing...Fiz's inability to make in-game adjustments, especially late in the game, is something that has followed him from Memphis. That is starting to become alarming.

Agree it hasnt been a strength of his so far. He has a veteran roster amd some good young talent. After a while it will be hard to ignore, if there is no improvement on that front. Not there yet IMO.

This...all some of us are saying is be patient. After a while, Fiz may prove to be in over his head. Give the some time with this new roster of mismatched parts that is not ideal to play in the new NBA

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

Uptown and crush like fizz and dsj

They were fooled IMO

Also, a bit shocked at the passion guys have for Frank. Would love for him to play well and be a rotation player but I don't think his struggles are because of the two coaches he has had. He hasn't been a very good nba player

As knick fans arent we suppose to have passion for our young players and want them to succeed?

Absolutely. But I think you have been a fan for a long time. DSJR is a young player. Trier is a young player. RJ is a young player. Frank averaged 20 minutes a game last year. It's obvious Fiz did not like what he saw or has seen in practice from him. IMO, and I think you have been watching for many years, there is nothing wrong with having young guys ride the pine and learn until they have the confidence and skills to play. Last year was different. We had no one that could play. They obviously made a decision to go a different direction this year. Think the thing we have to fight through is the adjustment period for a new cast of players.

i get that. The problem there is no structure....that scares me. I fully understand new players need time to gel. The problem is when you let players just run ISO all game it creates bad possessions. But he will keep playing guys who are having bad nights like the nets game. Look i have supported Fizdale and feel the players play hard for him. HOWEVER he hasnt shown much structure for his team, i think you need to be an X's and O's coach too. As for Frank im not demanding he play 20 minutes. But at least use him for defensive purposes and certain points. Riding the pine all the time doesnt help especially when the kid knows if he makes one mistake he is benched for 3 games lol

True. Keep in mind that when the Big three played their first year in Miami they looked like crap. We don't have anyone close to that caliber.

And again, DSJR is a young player who is getting a chance and one that has shown much more than Frank in his first two years. So what your advocating for Frank is what Fiz is doing with Dennis yet you have an issue with it. Going by your position above, you would think you would be questioning why Smith only got 5 minutes and 11 minutes in the last 2 games.

Anyway lets hope they all get better and Frank gets to contribute. Its Saturday night so back to having some fun. Have a good night man.