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I hope the "trade Melo and make KP the focal point" crowd watched last night
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StarksEwing1
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1/16/2016  10:06 PM
dk7th wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?

it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.

i feel a similar way. You are forced to defend yourself by certain individuals
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1/16/2016  10:13 PM
Yea nothing worse than mob mentality. Goes against all my beliefs of individualism
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1/16/2016  10:20 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?

Interesting comment, I am pretty sure you have stated multiple times during the year how you would favor trading Carmelo for draft picks and cap space and would prefer to accelerate a rebuild. I apologize that I was late on your updated status.

Its very disingenuous to act like the question was only an assumption and not words you have spoken and feelings you have expressed.

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1/16/2016  10:35 PM
dk7th wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?

it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.

reading this coming from you is pretty funny. you are part of a group of posters that inserted your melo bias into every single thread for a while.

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1/16/2016  10:46 PM
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dk7th wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?

it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.

reading this coming from you is pretty funny. you are part of a group of posters that inserted your melo bias into every single thread for a while.

nyk4ever my friend i urge you to put me on ignore right away.

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1/16/2016  10:49 PM
What future picks are we talking about in this hypothetical trade? It makes a difference.
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1/16/2016  10:53 PM
Porzingis is doing the same with or without Melo. Tonight when the team went away from KP (or Fisher sat him for too long between that 3rd/4th Q) that's when the offense went dry and never got back on track.

He's not ready to carry a team, but he's good enough to give you 20 points and 16 shots or so, right now. He's got the ability to get so many good looks and causes so many mismatches. Instead we try to take advantage of Afflalo vs Allen, which just wasn't there for us. Afflalo's great when he's got a weak smaller guy to post up on, but he can't dominate someone like Tony Allen.

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1/16/2016  11:23 PM
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
dk7th wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?

it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.

reading this coming from you is pretty funny. you are part of a group of posters that inserted your melo bias into every single thread for a while.

nyk4ever my friend i urge you to put me on ignore right away.

i dont need to, i do a good enough job ignoring your posts to begin with. just callin it how it is

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1/17/2016  12:34 AM
Would we not get a couple of players, maybe a pick or 2 and free up $25m in cap space in trading Melo?

Guys act like we trade Melo and nothing comes back in his place. The CAP space alone would allow us to target some very good players who aren't past prime.

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LivingLegend wrote:Would we not get a couple of players, maybe a pick or 2 and free up $25m in cap space in trading Melo?

Guys act like we trade Melo and nothing comes back in his place. The CAP space alone would allow us to target some very good players who aren't past prime.


A team would be sending players back so while you might free up cap space you wouldn't free up 25 mil or what Melo makes. You also are limited in what teams you can trade melo to because he has a no trade clause so if he waives it he is going to big market contender most likely. That means if you get a pick or two they are going to be late first rounders. With the new CBA in place you are almost guaranteed not to get a star as they lose over 20 mil to leave their current team and the only guy to do that this past season went to a top 3 team where there is no state income tax. What do you do with your cap space? Resign Afflalo, Williams, Thomas and Gallo? Durat or any other big name doesn't touch NYC without Melo in place. In addition you destroy team chemistry and seperate melo from Porzingis. I think this sets tge franchise back years and it wouldn't recover during PJaxs tenure.
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1/17/2016  1:30 AM
LivingLegend wrote:Would we not get a couple of players, maybe a pick or 2 and free up $25m in cap space in trading Melo?

Guys act like we trade Melo and nothing comes back in his place. The CAP space alone would allow us to target some very good players who aren't past prime.

If Phil felt this was the necessary route to go, and there was an available deal for us, which Carmelo would have to agree to. Then trading him would be a more plausible viewpoint. As it stands right now though, we have Melo, KP, and a solid supporting cast of players as well as 20mil in cap space coming to us. With KP being a hit and progressing faster then expected. Knicks should be looking to build a contender aimed at these next 2-3 yrs. Then look for a complete retool around KP directly after. With Calderon, Affalo, Williams all having 2 yrs left with opt out options. We have flexibility with the cap going forward to add upgrades.

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1/17/2016  2:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2016  2:37 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
dk7th wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Any more assumptions you guys wanna throw at me?

it's a fact that there's a group of posters on this forum that exhibit a mob mentality. not a fan of internet hysteria and cowardice.

reading this coming from you is pretty funny. you are part of a group of posters that inserted your melo bias into every single thread for a while.

nyk4ever my friend i urge you to put me on ignore right away.

i dont need to, i do a good enough job ignoring your posts to begin with. just callin it how it is

That's the problem. You've been ignoring his posts all year but he's had nothing but positive things to say about Melo. He has been even more positive about Melo than me because even when we were blowing all those 4th quarter leads and losing on Melo he was giving him credit for the times he did move the ball earlier in the game. Same with Mreinman. These guys have been on Melo's side longer than I have been. I only came around in December when Melo did a complete 180 after talking to Fisher and Phil. We've done nothing but win with him since. Yet these guys names keep getting brought up and dragged through the mud and it is unwarranted. Absolutely destroying this place when we should all be enjoying the team now that it seems to finally have turned the corner

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1/17/2016  10:30 AM
This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

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1/17/2016  10:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2016  10:49 AM
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

who the hell wants anybody banned? where did ANYONE say that? you're the only person with their panties in a bunch about anything (and starksewing since you guys dont like the "tone" fish takes with you)

as martin said earlier in this thread, i think you are blowing everythign waaaaay out of proportion. your posting towards crush, who is as level-headed as they come around here, is the prime example. maybe you need to take a break from here.

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1/17/2016  10:50 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

who the hell wants anybody banned? where did ANYONE say that? you're the only person with their panties in a bunch about anything.

as martin said earlier in this thread, i think you are blowing everythign waaaaay out of proportion. your posting towards crush, who is as level-headed as they come around here, is the prime example. maybe you need to take a break from here.

Guns is a good poster. Crush is also a good poster but even he has admitted he has gone too far especially with me
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1/17/2016  11:01 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

who the hell wants anybody banned? where did ANYONE say that? you're the only person with their panties in a bunch about anything.

as martin said earlier in this thread, i think you are blowing everythign waaaaay out of proportion. your posting towards crush, who is as level-headed as they come around here, is the prime example. maybe you need to take a break from here.

Guns is a good poster. Crush is also a good poster but even he has admitted he has gone too far especially with me

i think everyone is a little too sensitive.

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1/17/2016  11:13 AM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

who the hell wants anybody banned? where did ANYONE say that? you're the only person with their panties in a bunch about anything.

as martin said earlier in this thread, i think you are blowing everythign waaaaay out of proportion. your posting towards crush, who is as level-headed as they come around here, is the prime example. maybe you need to take a break from here.

Guns is a good poster. Crush is also a good poster but even he has admitted he has gone too far especially with me

i think everyone is a little too sensitive.

maybe, including you and I admittedly. Sensitivity is fine as long as there is respect
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1/17/2016  11:30 AM
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

as i have said all along, if melo plays the right way i will be the first to sing his praises, and if he plays the wrong way i will be the first to castigate him. that's called "understanding what it takes to win" and "being objective." it's not my problem that he has been playing the wrong way up until this season. i think what people don't like about my posts is more my "tone" than the content, which clearly has been accurate i terms of the type of player he has been vis a vis what he should have been.

in other words, what these hooligans fail to accept is that the "bad melo" we have been stuck with could have been playing the right way all along, ie defending with vigor and facilitating, giving up bad shots by passing the ball to teammates with better shots. and now that he is playing the right way, they hide behind their collective error by going on the attack.

the canards of "this is who melo is, a volume shooter," and "he needs better players, players he trusts," have been disproven, and utterly. in other words, he has never "needed help" so much as he "needed to BE the help." this is the primary reason the knicks have looked their most promising since february 2011. he is playing way way WAY better than the 54-28 season.

you may not like this assertion-- i can't remember now whether you respected fisher as a coach-- but here goes: phil jackson and derek fisher have gotten through to carmelo anthony. it took about 15-20 games this season to get there, and there is no doubt that more than several of fisher's post game interviews he was speaking in veiled words about melo and the need for melo to play the right way. so if he is speaking in veiled terms with the media, you can bet your last dollar that he has been teaching melo extensively in film meetings and practices, pointing out where melo needs to change his approach. of course several here mocked me for saying that this is what has been going on, but maybe they will have learned something. or not-- i don't care. he is finally playing the way i have wanted him to play and he is earning the money he was paid. so virtually 100% of the credit goes to those two winners who understand what it takes to win, and their getting through to a player with a hitherto losing approach.

it's not my problem that posters accustomed to the castigating of the "bad melo" still want me and you and a couple of others gone.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/17/2016  12:05 PM
dk7th wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

as i have said all along, if melo plays the right way i will be the first to sing his praises, and if he plays the wrong way i will be the first to castigate him. that's called "understanding what it takes to win" and "being objective." it's not my problem that he has been playing the wrong way up until this season. i think what people don't like about my posts is more my "tone" than the content, which clearly has been accurate i terms of the type of player he has been vis a vis what he should have been.

in other words, what these hooligans fail to accept is that the "bad melo" we have been stuck with could have been playing the right way all along, ie defending with vigor and facilitating, giving up bad shots by passing the ball to teammates with better shots. and now that he is playing the right way, they hide behind their collective error by going on the attack.

the canards of "this is who melo is, a volume shooter," and "he needs better players, players he trusts," have been disproven, and utterly. in other words, he has never "needed help" so much as he "needed to BE the help." this is the primary reason the knicks have looked their most promising since february 2011. he is playing way way WAY better than the 54-28 season.

you may not like this assertion-- i can't remember now whether you respected fisher as a coach-- but here goes: phil jackson and derek fisher have gotten through to carmelo anthony. it took about 15-20 games this season to get there, and there is no doubt that more than several of fisher's post game interviews he was speaking in veiled words about melo and the need for melo to play the right way. so if he is speaking in veiled terms with the media, you can bet your last dollar that he has been teaching melo extensively in film meetings and practices, pointing out where melo needs to change his approach. of course several here mocked me for saying that this is what has been going on, but maybe they will have learned something. or not-- i don't care. he is finally playing the way i have wanted him to play and he is earning the money he was paid. so virtually 100% of the credit goes to those two winners who understand what it takes to win, and their getting through to a player with a hitherto losing approach.

it's not my problem that posters accustomed to the castigating of the "bad melo" still want me and you and a couple of others gone.

We said dk

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1/17/2016  12:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2016  12:20 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is like an episode of the twilight zone.

So many passive aggressively pushing to get the posters with different viewpoints banned. Like we are a bunch of high school girls. If that's not Mob mentality I don't know what is

who the hell wants anybody banned? where did ANYONE say that? you're the only person with their panties in a bunch about anything (and starksewing since you guys dont like the "tone" fish takes with you)

as martin said earlier in this thread, i think you are blowing everythign waaaaay out of proportion. your posting towards crush, who is as level-headed as they come around here, is the prime example. maybe you need to take a break from here.

And Martin admitted to not reading the whole thread as has some others.
Besides you are missing the point if you think this is just about this thread. As dk recounted. This has been going on for years now.

And let me say for the 20th time. Crzy's thread is fine and everyone agreed we missed Melo. It's the title and the baiting from the usual suspects like yourself.

It's all right there. I'm not overreacting. Maybe just maybe you and Martin are "reaching out" to the wrong people. Too say I'm overreacting is just playing dumb.
Anything else?

I hope the "trade Melo and make KP the focal point" crowd watched last night

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