nixluva wrote:It seems that just because this thread has gone this long that some think we're saying Wroten is the answer to our starting PG spot. No one is saying that he's gonna walk on the floor and take over the starting spot. The idea is to ADD to the options we have off the bench and provide the missing breakdown ability and scoring at the hoop. He's one of the best in the league at getting to the rim and scoring. He's flawed and young so this isn't about him coming in and taking over. Whenever anyone is supportive of a player the knee jerk response from some is to overstate the opinions of those who want that player.

My reason for wanting Wroten is to add something to the mix that we don't have. Quickness and ability to push the ball and get to the rim effectively. We lack that at guard.

Wroten in 2014-15 played in just 30 games and only started 15 of them and in that time he attacked the rim 245 times and hit at 54.7%. Gallo in 44 games - 79 times at 51.9%. Jerian in 41 games - 77 times at 44.2%.

This is nice and all but we should be evaluating our prospects by a whole list of features that you are not covering.

Defense, FT%, BBIQ, ability to cut, shot selection, ball mover, recognizing mismatches, lockerroom guy, ability to pick up triangle, ability to play PnR defense, midrange game, ability to recognize defenses, ability to not get cut from the worst team in the league.

You are very focused on 1 thing. Literally 1 thing.

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:It seems that just because this thread has gone this long that some think we're saying Wroten is the answer to our starting PG spot. No one is saying that he's gonna walk on the floor and take over the starting spot. The idea is to ADD to the options we have off the bench and provide the missing breakdown ability and scoring at the hoop. He's one of the best in the league at getting to the rim and scoring. He's flawed and young so this isn't about him coming in and taking over. Whenever anyone is supportive of a player the knee jerk response from some is to overstate the opinions of those who want that player.

My reason for wanting Wroten is to add something to the mix that we don't have. Quickness and ability to push the ball and get to the rim effectively. We lack that at guard.

Wroten in 2014-15 played in just 30 games and only started 15 of them and in that time he attacked the rim 245 times and hit at 54.7%. Gallo in 44 games - 79 times at 51.9%. Jerian in 41 games - 77 times at 44.2%.

This is nice and all but we should be evaluating our prospects by a whole list of features that you are not covering.

Defense, FT%, BBIQ, ability to cut, shot selection, ball mover, recognizing mismatches, lockerroom guy, ability to pick up triangle, ability to play PnR defense, midrange game, ability to recognize defenses, ability to not get cut from the worst team in the league.

You are very focused on 1 thing. Literally 1 thing.

Wasn't DWill pretty much considered a bust before coming here. Was DWill known for his defense, rebounding, high IQ, shot selection, locker room guy, ability to not get benched or traded a gazillion times?

What's the difference?

reub wrote:I read somewhere in a scouting report that Wroten is James Harden without the outside shot. That has to get one's attention at least.

I do think that Phil wants to build a pipeline from Westchester instead of going outside of it and he actually has 5 guys there right now who could fit on this team. Jimmer, Trice, Atkins, Thanasis, and Bachynski. They all are comfortable with our system and have had good moments this year. Encouraging!

You have to wonder how many AAU coaches were telling Wroten to shoot the outside shot.

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martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:It seems that just because this thread has gone this long that some think we're saying Wroten is the answer to our starting PG spot. No one is saying that he's gonna walk on the floor and take over the starting spot. The idea is to ADD to the options we have off the bench and provide the missing breakdown ability and scoring at the hoop. He's one of the best in the league at getting to the rim and scoring. He's flawed and young so this isn't about him coming in and taking over. Whenever anyone is supportive of a player the knee jerk response from some is to overstate the opinions of those who want that player.

My reason for wanting Wroten is to add something to the mix that we don't have. Quickness and ability to push the ball and get to the rim effectively. We lack that at guard.

Wroten in 2014-15 played in just 30 games and only started 15 of them and in that time he attacked the rim 245 times and hit at 54.7%. Gallo in 44 games - 79 times at 51.9%. Jerian in 41 games - 77 times at 44.2%.

This is nice and all but we should be evaluating our prospects by a whole list of features that you are not covering.

Defense, FT%, BBIQ, ability to cut, shot selection, ball mover, recognizing mismatches, lockerroom guy, ability to pick up triangle, ability to play PnR defense, midrange game, ability to recognize defenses, ability to not get cut from the worst team in the league.

You are very focused on 1 thing. Literally 1 thing.

It's only because this is a HUGE area of weakness on the team. I'm not saying Wroten can't do other things. I'm simply highlighting how much better he is at the one thing we LACK! It's the same reason why I was high on DWIll. It wasn't because he was already showing he was good at the normal Triangle type skills or BB IQ. It was his ability to bring an athletic presence to the team. His ability to score off cuts and finish at the rim. I'm saying that Wroten is the guard version of DWIll. There are times when we've really needed that kind of presence.

Last year Wroten avg'd 16.9 pts, 5.2 asts and 1.6 stls before he got hurt. He's got holes in his game but STILL would be an upgrade to the overall talent on this roster IMO. PLUS i'm looking at him as a prospect not just for now but the future as he continues to improve. People keep forgetting that he's only 22. I believe he's going to get much better with good coaching.

Chandler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:someone else in the thread said this and I am too lazy to look it up:

Philly, the worst team in the league, cut their least valuable player Wroten, who is a PG, to sign a PG who they cut last year and was at the end of PG rotation but playing and losing for the Pelicans. Ish, who is decent but nothing more than a backup PG, has lifted Philly by being a slasher, PnR guy who gets to the rim. Wroten, another slasher PG type, who can't shoot from the outside, couldn't fill this role, on the worst team in the NBA who have bigs galore to PnR with or slash and dish with.

And he would help the Knicks with their Triangle?

Earlier in the season I advocated trying to get Ish Smith from the Pelicans. You could've said the same thing about him back then - cut by Philly, languishing on the bench in New Orleans. Sometimes it's about opportunity.

But at this point I trust Phil to know what he wants for this roster. And I trust he's long-range planning a little bit, too. Last night someone pointed out that the Knicks got something like 86 points from their top four front court guys - Melo 30, Rolo 22, DWill 18, KP 16. Afflalo is a scorer, too. I don't think Phil wants scoring from the PG - just a guy who moves the ball and sets up the offense. Jose is pretty good at that role - it'd just be nice if he could drive to the rim ocassionally and also defend anything. But in terms of setting up the offense, he's been great.

That's why I covet Conley for this squad - I think he could lead the offense like Jose, but also defend much better.

you know what else was weird about last night and something that Phil definitely doesn't like: ZERO rebounds from the starting guards. They played something like 75 minutes and not one board -- sheesh you would think the ball would find them by accident a couple of times.

I like Conley's game. It will come down to price. I expect frugality from Phil at the pg spot.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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Not sure if this is a reliable source.

sh1t!!! 14 pages for nothing??

Good one but it didn't say Wroten is gone so... The thread continues 😜

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:It seems that just because this thread has gone this long that some think we're saying Wroten is the answer to our starting PG spot. No one is saying that he's gonna walk on the floor and take over the starting spot. The idea is to ADD to the options we have off the bench and provide the missing breakdown ability and scoring at the hoop. He's one of the best in the league at getting to the rim and scoring. He's flawed and young so this isn't about him coming in and taking over. Whenever anyone is supportive of a player the knee jerk response from some is to overstate the opinions of those who want that player.

My reason for wanting Wroten is to add something to the mix that we don't have. Quickness and ability to push the ball and get to the rim effectively. We lack that at guard.

Wroten in 2014-15 played in just 30 games and only started 15 of them and in that time he attacked the rim 245 times and hit at 54.7%. Gallo in 44 games - 79 times at 51.9%. Jerian in 41 games - 77 times at 44.2%.

This is nice and all but we should be evaluating our prospects by a whole list of features that you are not covering.

Defense, FT%, BBIQ, ability to cut, shot selection, ball mover, recognizing mismatches, lockerroom guy, ability to pick up triangle, ability to play PnR defense, midrange game, ability to recognize defenses, ability to not get cut from the worst team in the league.

You are very focused on 1 thing. Literally 1 thing.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:It seems that just because this thread has gone this long that some think we're saying Wroten is the answer to our starting PG spot. No one is saying that he's gonna walk on the floor and take over the starting spot. The idea is to ADD to the options we have off the bench and provide the missing breakdown ability and scoring at the hoop. He's one of the best in the league at getting to the rim and scoring. He's flawed and young so this isn't about him coming in and taking over. Whenever anyone is supportive of a player the knee jerk response from some is to overstate the opinions of those who want that player.

My reason for wanting Wroten is to add something to the mix that we don't have. Quickness and ability to push the ball and get to the rim effectively. We lack that at guard.

Wroten in 2014-15 played in just 30 games and only started 15 of them and in that time he attacked the rim 245 times and hit at 54.7%. Gallo in 44 games - 79 times at 51.9%. Jerian in 41 games - 77 times at 44.2%.

This is nice and all but we should be evaluating our prospects by a whole list of features that you are not covering.

Defense, FT%, BBIQ, ability to cut, shot selection, ball mover, recognizing mismatches, lockerroom guy, ability to pick up triangle, ability to play PnR defense, midrange game, ability to recognize defenses, ability to not get cut from the worst team in the league.

You are very focused on 1 thing. Literally 1 thing.

Wasn't DWill pretty much considered a bust before coming here. Was DWill known for his defense, rebounding, high IQ, shot selection, locker room guy, ability to not get benched or traded a gazillion times?

What's the difference?

+1 million. your ball, martin.

So maybe the most relevant fact is he's out there - been out there, and the Knicks despite having both NBA AND D-League roster openings, have not bitten.

hat may change today, tomorrow or next week. But until then, shouldn't be put some faith in the people who saw something in D-Will over our objections?