knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:sounds like you made all that up from thin air with no thought at all.... time will tell

yeah i made it all up out of thin air. you need to face facts-- regardless of what jackson does with this team he is smart enough to not be held hostage by a career loser.... melo is GONE.

He's right DK, if you don't like the way melo plays (thats fine) but to sit there and say that melo sucks or can never win a ring (which is what your saying in other words) it's bias, stupid, and unrealistic.

If he can win a NCAA title, and gold medal (in which he was a major major factor) then clearly it's about the peices you put around a player of his caliber..

Your saying HE's GONE, is all wishfull thinking, it's not accurate, you didn't speak with him or his managment team, your basically saying he's gone cause he didn't opt in..DO YOU WORK FOR ESPN?

his winning in the ncaa is meaningless. might as well be talking about michael beasley or ralph sampson or any other ncaa success story who could not make the transition to the nba and find similar success. but let me save you the trouble-- it wasn't the nuggets that were the problem.

gold medal? also meaningless, unless he is content being a third option and being set up by two superior players to himself. and that means taking a BIG financial hit to be a third option. then and only then does he have a chance at winning at the nba level. and rest assured it will not be in a knick uniform!

the ONLY scenario i see where melo wins is if lebron james is running the triangle in MSG. and that means he plays for 11-13 million for the privilege.

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:sounds like you made all that up from thin air with no thought at all.... time will tell

yeah i made it all up out of thin air. you need to face facts-- regardless of what jackson does with this team he is smart enough to not be held hostage by a career loser.... melo is GONE.

He's right DK, if you don't like the way melo plays (thats fine) but to sit there and say that melo sucks or can never win a ring (which is what your saying in other words) it's bias, stupid, and unrealistic.

If he can win a NCAA title, and gold medal (in which he was a major major factor) then clearly it's about the peices you put around a player of his caliber..

Your saying HE's GONE, is all wishfull thinking, it's not accurate, you didn't speak with him or his managment team, your basically saying he's gone cause he didn't opt in..DO YOU WORK FOR ESPN?

his winning in the ncaa is meaningless. might as well be talking about michael beasley or ralph sampson or any other ncaa success story who could not make the transition to the nba and find similar success. but let me save you the trouble-- it wasn't the nuggets that were the problem.

gold medal? also meaningless, unless he is content being a third option and being set up by two superior players to himself. and that means taking a BIG financial hit to be a third option. then and only then does he have a chance at winning at the nba level. and rest assured it will not be in a knick uniform!

the ONLY scenario i see where melo wins is if lebron james is running the triangle in MSG. and that means he plays for 11-13 million for the privilege.

says the guy that said the knicks wouldnt make moves around the draft.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:sounds like you made all that up from thin air with no thought at all.... time will tell

yeah i made it all up out of thin air. you need to face facts-- regardless of what jackson does with this team he is smart enough to not be held hostage by a career loser.... melo is GONE.

He's right DK, if you don't like the way melo plays (thats fine) but to sit there and say that melo sucks or can never win a ring (which is what your saying in other words) it's bias, stupid, and unrealistic.

If he can win a NCAA title, and gold medal (in which he was a major major factor) then clearly it's about the peices you put around a player of his caliber..

Your saying HE's GONE, is all wishfull thinking, it's not accurate, you didn't speak with him or his managment team, your basically saying he's gone cause he didn't opt in..DO YOU WORK FOR ESPN?

his winning in the ncaa is meaningless. might as well be talking about michael beasley or ralph sampson or any other ncaa success story who could not make the transition to the nba and find similar success. but let me save you the trouble-- it wasn't the nuggets that were the problem.

gold medal? also meaningless, unless he is content being a third option and being set up by two superior players to himself. and that means taking a BIG financial hit to be a third option. then and only then does he have a chance at winning at the nba level. and rest assured it will not be in a knick uniform!

the ONLY scenario i see where melo wins is if lebron james is running the triangle in MSG. and that means he plays for 11-13 million for the privilege.

says the guy that said the knicks wouldnt make moves around the draft.

what does this even mean? this comment is just nonsense and misdirection.

bottom line is jackson improving the knicks with this move? the answer is yes.

and you still believe melo is a franchise talent right? seems to me jackson disagrees.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:sounds like you made all that up from thin air with no thought at all.... time will tell

yeah i made it all up out of thin air. you need to face facts-- regardless of what jackson does with this team he is smart enough to not be held hostage by a career loser.... melo is GONE.

He's right DK, if you don't like the way melo plays (thats fine) but to sit there and say that melo sucks or can never win a ring (which is what your saying in other words) it's bias, stupid, and unrealistic.

If he can win a NCAA title, and gold medal (in which he was a major major factor) then clearly it's about the peices you put around a player of his caliber..

Your saying HE's GONE, is all wishfull thinking, it's not accurate, you didn't speak with him or his managment team, your basically saying he's gone cause he didn't opt in..DO YOU WORK FOR ESPN?

his winning in the ncaa is meaningless. might as well be talking about michael beasley or ralph sampson or any other ncaa success story who could not make the transition to the nba and find similar success. but let me save you the trouble-- it wasn't the nuggets that were the problem.

gold medal? also meaningless, unless he is content being a third option and being set up by two superior players to himself. and that means taking a BIG financial hit to be a third option. then and only then does he have a chance at winning at the nba level. and rest assured it will not be in a knick uniform!

the ONLY scenario i see where melo wins is if lebron james is running the triangle in MSG. and that means he plays for 11-13 million for the privilege.

says the guy that said the knicks wouldnt make moves around the draft.

what does this even mean? this comment is just nonsense and misdirection.

bottom line is jackson improving the knicks with this move? the answer is yes.

and you still believe melo is a franchise talent right? seems to me jackson disagrees.

It means sometimes what you say is nonsense like when you said that there wouldn't be moves made around the draft, the busiest time if the year for transactions.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:sounds like you made all that up from thin air with no thought at all.... time will tell

yeah i made it all up out of thin air. you need to face facts-- regardless of what jackson does with this team he is smart enough to not be held hostage by a career loser.... melo is GONE.

He's right DK, if you don't like the way melo plays (thats fine) but to sit there and say that melo sucks or can never win a ring (which is what your saying in other words) it's bias, stupid, and unrealistic.

If he can win a NCAA title, and gold medal (in which he was a major major factor) then clearly it's about the peices you put around a player of his caliber..

Your saying HE's GONE, is all wishfull thinking, it's not accurate, you didn't speak with him or his managment team, your basically saying he's gone cause he didn't opt in..DO YOU WORK FOR ESPN?

here is their plan. If Melo goes he wins and can spin I told you so threads for as long as we are graced by his presense. If Melo stays anything less than a title is just "more losing"

See how that works?

no that is not how it works. when he goes the knicks win. and knick fans too. only pretend fans who consider the knicks a "melo team" lose.

you have been schooled six ways to sunday on these matters for months now. no reason for that trend to change.

but i'll throw you a bone: only way melo wins as a knick is if he accepts 12-13 million a year and that allows lebron james to run the triangle offense for phil jackson. lebron should be getting melo's max salary.

Labron JAMESSSSSS????? wtf, you mean the guy who needed 2 of the top talented guys in the league to win 2 rings, you mean the guy who couldn't do jack sht without those 2 other all stars.

It kills me when ppl call this guy the best player in the league, you put melo with wade and bosh and he wins a couple rings.

The object is to assemble a team in which everyone knows their role, from the towel boy to the owner.

Don't give me a team where one guy has to carry the team, then says he sucks he should take less, don't give me a coach the caters to 2 players on the roster, don't give me a owner that negotiates trades, don't give me a PG that should be a 7th man but is a starter, don't give me role players that never step up, or don't even know their role, don't give me a center that plays half a season.

Use your head, it's not all about one player, or the perfect coach, or having a super talented roster.

It's about having everybody on the same page doing their job.

I wouldn’t use the word ‘consulted’. I’d say the word ‘informed,’” Jackson said on Thursday. “We talked about [the deal] a couple weeks ago with Carmelo when we met with him. We told him this was on the table and I was going to wait and see until I got back from Turkey to see how this fit. He was aware.”

“[Carmelo] saw the value in it and appreciated it,” Jackson continued.

The executive added that there were a few contributing factors as to why the deal took so long to complete, including Raymond Felton’s recent legal troubles.

“This went on for some time. I don’t think there’s any question that this was a final goal of both teams,” he said. “A lot of things had to be digested and answered. I didn’t want to do the deal until Raymond had some sort of declaration as to the protocol and what was going to happen legally. I wanted him to have the best chance possible and not hold back his career.”

melo will be a knick my friend

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

I wouldn’t use the word ‘consulted’. I’d say the word ‘informed,’” Jackson said on Thursday. “We talked about [the deal] a couple weeks ago with Carmelo when we met with him. We told him this was on the table and I was going to wait and see until I got back from Turkey to see how this fit. He was aware.”

“[Carmelo] saw the value in it and appreciated it,” Jackson continued.

The executive added that there were a few contributing factors as to why the deal took so long to complete, including Raymond Felton’s recent legal troubles.

“This went on for some time. I don’t think there’s any question that this was a final goal of both teams,” he said. “A lot of things had to be digested and answered. I didn’t want to do the deal until Raymond had some sort of declaration as to the protocol and what was going to happen legally. I wanted him to have the best chance possible and not hold back his career.”

melo will be a knick my friend

how about providing a link to your article so i can parse it before we call each other friends?

REENBURGH, N.Y. -- New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

In Jackson's first major trade as president, he sent Felton and Chandler to Dallas for point guard Jose Calderon, guard Shane Larkin, center Samuel Dalembert, forward Wayne Ellington and two second-round selections in Thursday night's draft.

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Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help.' There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time.
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-- Knicks president Phil Jackson
Calderon is a strong outside shooter and is seen as a strong fit in the Knicks' triangle offense.

"Jose is a thoughtful guard. He's got great control of the ball. He pushes the ball up, accelerates it up the court," Jackson said. "He's a very good 3-point shooter. He organizes a team quite well and we anticipate he'll fit in to what we're trying to do."

Jackson sees Dalembert as a strong rebounder and interior defender.

"He can replace Tyson's defensive ability -- maybe not be the defensive player of the year like Tyson was, but he's going to be a quality defender," he said.

Jackson, who took over as team president in March, said he could see chemistry issues between Knicks players last season. The team finished with just 37 wins and missed the playoffs for the first time in four seasons.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Chandler drew headlines last season when he questioned coach Mike Woodson's defensive schemes. Felton, meanwhile, was charged with two felony gun counts and last week reached a plea bargain to avoid jail time. Jackson didn't reference Chandler or Felton specifically when he talked about chemistry issues but said he wanted Felton's legal issues to be resolved before agreeing to the deal with the Mavericks.

Jackson hoped that the rest of the Knicks' players were paying attention to the trade.

"Well, we want to send a message to all of our players that we are on the move and we are making changes and we are making changes to move forward in the direction that we want to go," Jackson said. "We want to be more aggressive defensively, we want to have a certain sense of offensive alacrity, getting up and down the court and challenging defenses to get back and protect the basket."

Jackson said he's fielded "a lot of calls" about a "couple" of Knicks players but declined to name who those players were. ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported that the Knicks had talked to teams about trading Iman Shumpert for a first-round pick earlier this week.

The Knicks' president was asked if he "consulted" with free agent Carmelo Anthony about the trade. He corrected the questioner to say that he "informed" Anthony about the deal.

"He saw the value in it and was appreciative of it," Jackson said.

Jackson also addressed his decision to trade Chandler, who is entering the final year of his contract this coming season. In the transaction, the Knicks forfeited $5 million in cap space in the summer of 2015, when they hope to be able to attract big-name free agents.

"We didn't want to watch another player go off and not get anything in return, so to speak," Jackson said.

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