fishmike wrote:TFK your right... the #s I posted were not from game 1, they were from the ELIMINATION game. My apologies for the inaccuracy.

So it was game 6... everything on the line, Knicks facing elimination. That game. Sorry.. lets review:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305180IND.html

Melo 15-29, 39points, 7 rebs, 2 assists, 3 TOs

So this is when you need your best to play the best right? So thats my guy's stats.

Lets check out TFK's stars of the game:
Felton: 32 minutes 0-7 FGs, 2 points 6 assists
Kidd: 0 points 0 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 assist in 6 minutes

Some others:
Prigs: 6 points on 2-6
JR 15 points on 4-15 shooting

So facing elimination who played like a star? Who played like a franchise player? Do tell... maybe you should write up one of your "TFK's keys to the game" oh wait.. you dont post there anymore.

Take one game... the elimination game (again my apologies for posting the wrong game). Did he play like a franchise player?

we lost home court advantage and the series tilted in indiana's favor in game 1.

melo's line was typical playoff underachieve:

10-28 and 1 assist
TS% 44.1
ratio of usage to assist rate 43.3 to 6.2 which reduces to 7:1 which is about as selfish as you can get

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:TFK your right... the #s I posted were not from game 1, they were from the ELIMINATION game. My apologies for the inaccuracy.

So it was game 6... everything on the line, Knicks facing elimination. That game. Sorry.. lets review:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305180IND.html

Melo 15-29, 39points, 7 rebs, 2 assists, 3 TOs

So this is when you need your best to play the best right? So thats my guy's stats.

Lets check out TFK's stars of the game:
Felton: 32 minutes 0-7 FGs, 2 points 6 assists
Kidd: 0 points 0 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 assist in 6 minutes

Some others:
Prigs: 6 points on 2-6
JR 15 points on 4-15 shooting

So facing elimination who played like a star? Who played like a franchise player? Do tell... maybe you should write up one of your "TFK's keys to the game" oh wait.. you dont post there anymore.

Take one game... the elimination game (again my apologies for posting the wrong game). Did he play like a franchise player?

we lost home court advantage and the series tilted in indiana's favor in game 1.

melo's line was typical playoff underachieve:

10-28 and 1 assist
TS% 44.1
ratio of usage to assist rate 43.3 to 6.2 which reduces to 7:1 which is about as selfish as you can get

Beautifully weak, pathetic response. But you must get props for staying blindly true to your agenda. clap clap clap

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:TFK your right... the #s I posted were not from game 1, they were from the ELIMINATION game. My apologies for the inaccuracy.

So it was game 6... everything on the line, Knicks facing elimination. That game. Sorry.. lets review:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305180IND.html

Melo 15-29, 39points, 7 rebs, 2 assists, 3 TOs

So this is when you need your best to play the best right? So thats my guy's stats.

Lets check out TFK's stars of the game:
Felton: 32 minutes 0-7 FGs, 2 points 6 assists
Kidd: 0 points 0 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 assist in 6 minutes

Some others:
Prigs: 6 points on 2-6
JR 15 points on 4-15 shooting

So facing elimination who played like a star? Who played like a franchise player? Do tell... maybe you should write up one of your "TFK's keys to the game" oh wait.. you dont post there anymore.

Take one game... the elimination game (again my apologies for posting the wrong game). Did he play like a franchise player?

we lost home court advantage and the series tilted in indiana's favor in game 1.

melo's line was typical playoff underachieve:

10-28 and 1 assist
TS% 44.1
ratio of usage to assist rate 43.3 to 6.2 which reduces to 7:1 which is about as selfish as you can get

Beautifully weak, pathetic response. But you must get props for staying blindly true to your agenda. clap clap clap

what is weak about it? we scratched our way to a second seed for the sake of home court advantage, all of which went to waste. winners don't lose home-court advantage and that statline is a losing statline.

oh and yeah i saw the game-- he was the invisible man, zero floor impact.

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:TFK your right... the #s I posted were not from game 1, they were from the ELIMINATION game. My apologies for the inaccuracy.

So it was game 6... everything on the line, Knicks facing elimination. That game. Sorry.. lets review:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305180IND.html

Melo 15-29, 39points, 7 rebs, 2 assists, 3 TOs

So this is when you need your best to play the best right? So thats my guy's stats.

Lets check out TFK's stars of the game:
Felton: 32 minutes 0-7 FGs, 2 points 6 assists
Kidd: 0 points 0 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 assist in 6 minutes

Some others:
Prigs: 6 points on 2-6
JR 15 points on 4-15 shooting

So facing elimination who played like a star? Who played like a franchise player? Do tell... maybe you should write up one of your "TFK's keys to the game" oh wait.. you dont post there anymore.

Take one game... the elimination game (again my apologies for posting the wrong game). Did he play like a franchise player?

fish had carmelo played a better game 1, maybe they don't face an elimination game.. don't you think? it cost them home court advantage..

And the felton bit is getting somewhat tired, don't you think? so let me break it down for you fish..

game 1 was critical, carmelo didn't get it done.. 29 shots to get 27 points

Next critical game.. game 3 series tied 1-1 chance for knicks to gain back home court.. Knicks lose.. now that wasn't all on carmelo, other than kenyon martin the knicks were horrible, tyson got his lunch handed to him by Hibbert, but isn't this the type of game, carmelo is supposed to CARRY the knicks on his back?

Game 4 this is pretty much the knicks elimination game, a must win!!! can't go down 3-1,only 8 teams in the history of the NBA have gone down 3-1 in a series ever come back to win.. the odds are heavily stacked against you.. so what happens in that game fish..

carmelo 9-23 shooting for 24 points.. another culprit.. his mini-me JR smith 7-22 shooting... another bomb in a key game by carmelo..

BTW: your whooping boys. tyson chandler 12/10 BOARDS on 4-9 shooting and Felton 14/6/2/3/2 that is 2 blocks and 3 steals on 7-16 shooting.. Looks like he showed up in that critical game as well..

Game 5 a game in which the knicks acually won, but take note.. George hill who has been having a very effective series didn't play..

carmelo goes 12/28 another volume chucking night.. 28/6/0 assists.. NO Assists.. But not to be upstaged, chris copeland came off the bench to give the knicks a boost.. 13/4/2 on 4-6 shooting..

So please fish, don't tell me about some game 6, a game in which carmelo again volume chucked. A game in which lance Stephenson and Paul george dominated on both ends.. they combined to take 25 shots that is 4 less than carmelo did alone... look at the box score, not one pacer took more than 15 shots and all of the starters were in double digit scoring three of them scoring 20 plus..

Carmelo doesn't play a winning style of ball, which is why his teams suffer when it matters.. it has been going on for years, the only exception is when he had billups who didn't let carmelo have his way, and still then they fell short... if carmelo needs a baby sitter like billups then maybe we should look into maxing out a Player like that and not carmelo.. better yet, why not just rid ourselves of the carmelo experiment and start over... The ship be sinking bro....

But hey, I know you will have no legitimate argument to refute my post.. so go ahead and start with the name calling.. it seems to be the thing you are most comfortable with..

I dont have to call you names. You do that just fine yourself. Your a fan who got kicked off a board you were a mod for for being just like you are now ;)

So when Felton plays well its a critical game, and when MElo plays well it doesnt matter. I got it. Your right.. I cant possibly argue that logic

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:TFK your right... the #s I posted were not from game 1, they were from the ELIMINATION game. My apologies for the inaccuracy.

So it was game 6... everything on the line, Knicks facing elimination. That game. Sorry.. lets review:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305180IND.html

Melo 15-29, 39points, 7 rebs, 2 assists, 3 TOs

So this is when you need your best to play the best right? So thats my guy's stats.

Lets check out TFK's stars of the game:
Felton: 32 minutes 0-7 FGs, 2 points 6 assists
Kidd: 0 points 0 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 assist in 6 minutes

Some others:
Prigs: 6 points on 2-6
JR 15 points on 4-15 shooting

So facing elimination who played like a star? Who played like a franchise player? Do tell... maybe you should write up one of your "TFK's keys to the game" oh wait.. you dont post there anymore.

Take one game... the elimination game (again my apologies for posting the wrong game). Did he play like a franchise player?

fish had carmelo played a better game 1, maybe they don't face an elimination game.. don't you think? it cost them home court advantage..

And the felton bit is getting somewhat tired, don't you think? so let me break it down for you fish..

game 1 was critical, carmelo didn't get it done.. 29 shots to get 27 points

Next critical game.. game 3 series tied 1-1 chance for knicks to gain back home court.. Knicks lose.. now that wasn't all on carmelo, other than kenyon martin the knicks were horrible, tyson got his lunch handed to him by Hibbert, but isn't this the type of game, carmelo is supposed to CARRY the knicks on his back?

Game 4 this is pretty much the knicks elimination game, a must win!!! can't go down 3-1,only 8 teams in the history of the NBA have gone down 3-1 in a series ever come back to win.. the odds are heavily stacked against you.. so what happens in that game fish..

carmelo 9-23 shooting for 24 points.. another culprit.. his mini-me JR smith 7-22 shooting... another bomb in a key game by carmelo..

BTW: your whooping boys. tyson chandler 12/10 BOARDS on 4-9 shooting and Felton 14/6/2/3/2 that is 2 blocks and 3 steals on 7-16 shooting.. Looks like he showed up in that critical game as well..

Game 5 a game in which the knicks acually won, but take note.. George hill who has been having a very effective series didn't play..

carmelo goes 12/28 another volume chucking night.. 28/6/0 assists.. NO Assists.. But not to be upstaged, chris copeland came off the bench to give the knicks a boost.. 13/4/2 on 4-6 shooting..

So please fish, don't tell me about some game 6, a game in which carmelo again volume chucked. A game in which lance Stephenson and Paul george dominated on both ends.. they combined to take 25 shots that is 4 less than carmelo did alone... look at the box score, not one pacer took more than 15 shots and all of the starters were in double digit scoring three of them scoring 20 plus..

Carmelo doesn't play a winning style of ball, which is why his teams suffer when it matters.. it has been going on for years, the only exception is when he had billups who didn't let carmelo have his way, and still then they fell short... if carmelo needs a baby sitter like billups then maybe we should look into maxing out a Player like that and not carmelo.. better yet, why not just rid ourselves of the carmelo experiment and start over... The ship be sinking bro....

But hey, I know you will have no legitimate argument to refute my post.. so go ahead and start with the name calling.. it seems to be the thing you are most comfortable with..

why is game 1 more critical than game two? And shooting over 50% is "still volume chucking"

I dont have to call you names. You do that just fine yourself. Your a fan who got kicked off a board you were a mod for for being just like you are now ;)

So when Felton plays well its a critical game, and when MElo plays well it doesnt matter. I got it. Your right.. I cant possibly argue that logic

FISH i guess all games are critical when it comes to winning, but some tend to be more than others.. Game 1 sets the tone, especially for the team with home court advantage.. you see you were willing to pump up game one until you found out you were quoting the wrong game stats for carmelo...

I dont have to call you names. You do that just fine yourself. Your a fan who got kicked off a board you were a mod for for being just like you are now ;)

this is like your 7th refrence to real gm.. No one on this board is paying you any attention and I guess you will keep pumping those lies as long as you are getting mopped up in these debates.. I understand, it is diversion.. what does that have to do what we are talking about. I broke the series down to you, with stats, facts and no talk of another site..

You can't and you refuse to do the same.. why not just wave the white flag fish.. honestly I can respect that more..

By the way you ask why is game one more critical than game two?

cold hard facts fish.. teams that win game one in an NBA series go on to win that series 78% of the time

fish.. please stop... please.......

you have mopped the floor with me. Yes... you have with this whole board. You have single handedly exposed the career of a 10 time all star as a farce, a scam. Some Knick fans have been deluded by the years of losing. Along comes this player who we add and after a decade of losing the record becomes a winning record. After a decade of no playoffs this player comes and we go every year since he's gotten here.

We were all just sheep worshiping stats but you have steered us back on the path. Some here thought Melo might have been a good player, having never played on a losing team once, but now we know that was just George Karl's coaching. We know the Knicks were really a bad team last year, that any success came from Jason Kidd or Ray Felton.

We have learned that elimination games arent as important as game 1. If you blow game 1 just go home... nothing you do can make up for a bad shootig night there.

I really apologize for the realGM references... perhaps I am mistaken. Were you not kicked off that board? Banned for spamming all the thread's with anti-Melo ravings (which I now see were justified!).

We have ALL enjoyed the great success shared by Gallo, Wilson, Timo and of course Anthony Randolph. Thank god they are free of this franchise to lead Denver past the dark ages that were wining every year with Melo into their new era of lottery and hope.

I have learned so much from you TFK... so much.

You are the crusader!

In other words you....

I accept fish...

fishmike wrote:not sure what that link is too.. but are you hitting F5 every 30 seconds?

Is it a photo of your victory parade? Making love to DK in his mom's basement?

Did you get your "I defeated fishmike and Melo sucks" tatoo yet? Ill fund that if you want... I think its a fair pennance to pay for my defeat!

the reason why melo has failed to accomplish anything of note is that he overrates himself and is overrated by many. if his strengths can be harnessed that is one thing, but in order for that to happen he has to step aside and be put in his proper role on a team is a second-and-a-half banana.

but correcting his weaknesses is another matter entirely, and any team he plays on he will drag down because of those weaknesses. that is why his teams always underachieve.

he made a fatal error when he went after money and wanted to be traded, and the error was based not merely on good old greed but, again, not knowing his own limitations. a man's got to know his limitations.

so while you want to go the sardonic route the truth of the matter remains.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:not sure what that link is too.. but are you hitting F5 every 30 seconds?

Is it a photo of your victory parade? Making love to DK in his mom's basement?

Did you get your "I defeated fishmike and Melo sucks" tatoo yet? Ill fund that if you want... I think its a fair pennance to pay for my defeat!

the reason why melo has failed to accomplish anything of note is that he overrates himself and is overrated by many. if his strengths can be harnessed that is one thing, but in order for that to happen he has to step aside and be put in his proper role on a team is a second-and-a-half banana.

but correcting his weaknesses is another matter entirely, and any team he plays on he will drag down because of those weaknesses. that is why his teams always underachieve.

he made a fatal error when he went after money and wanted to be traded, and the error was based not merely on good old greed but, again, not knowing his own limitations. a man's got to know his limitations.

so while you want to go the sardonic route the truth of the matter remains.

no sardines here at all! Especially after your post about not liking dunks and the rim should be 11 feet I have looked at your thoughts with new light and respect. Your totally right. I see all the losing seasons. I see how every new situation he has been in has gotten worse. Ever since Melo got here he's dragged down the Knicks win total. Since Denver has droppped that anchor as well they are en route to their best record since the Nick Van Exel/Raef Lafrenz era! I see it now... its clear. Good call dude

you aren't having a dialogue you are just reacting. get a grip.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:not sure what that link is too.. but are you hitting F5 every 30 seconds?

Is it a photo of your victory parade? Making love to DK in his mom's basement?

Did you get your "I defeated fishmike and Melo sucks" tatoo yet? Ill fund that if you want... I think its a fair pennance to pay for my defeat!

the reason why melo has failed to accomplish anything of note is that he overrates himself and is overrated by many. if his strengths can be harnessed that is one thing, but in order for that to happen he has to step aside and be put in his proper role on a team is a second-and-a-half banana.

but correcting his weaknesses is another matter entirely, and any team he plays on he will drag down because of those weaknesses. that is why his teams always underachieve.

he made a fatal error when he went after money and wanted to be traded, and the error was based not merely on good old greed but, again, not knowing his own limitations. a man's got to know his limitations.

so while you want to go the sardonic route the truth of the matter remains.

no sardines here at all! Especially after your post about not liking dunks and the rim should be 11 feet I have looked at your thoughts with new light and respect. Your totally right. I see all the losing seasons. I see how every new situation he has been in has gotten worse. Ever since Melo got here he's dragged down the Knicks win total. Since Denver has droppped that anchor as well they are en route to their best record since the Nick Van Exel/Raef Lafrenz era! I see it now... its clear. Good call dude

you aren't having a dialogue you are just reacting. get a grip.

Im thanking you. Telling you what you have shown me. You and TFK. Isnt that why you post in every thread about the same thing? Like a religion looking for converts. Im in baby! Sold my Melo card. Bring me back Gallo and Sweetney and Marbury... whom I was also wrong about. MElo is Fugazy NYer, but TFK reminded us that Marbury is a REAL NYer. Its like a spiritual awakening. I feel free

you know what's funny? you think you are funny but you're not.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:not sure what that link is too.. but are you hitting F5 every 30 seconds?

Is it a photo of your victory parade? Making love to DK in his mom's basement?

Did you get your "I defeated fishmike and Melo sucks" tatoo yet? Ill fund that if you want... I think its a fair pennance to pay for my defeat!

the reason why melo has failed to accomplish anything of note is that he overrates himself and is overrated by many. if his strengths can be harnessed that is one thing, but in order for that to happen he has to step aside and be put in his proper role on a team is a second-and-a-half banana.

but correcting his weaknesses is another matter entirely, and any team he plays on he will drag down because of those weaknesses. that is why his teams always underachieve.

he made a fatal error when he went after money and wanted to be traded, and the error was based not merely on good old greed but, again, not knowing his own limitations. a man's got to know his limitations.

so while you want to go the sardonic route the truth of the matter remains.

no sardines here at all! Especially after your post about not liking dunks and the rim should be 11 feet I have looked at your thoughts with new light and respect. Your totally right. I see all the losing seasons. I see how every new situation he has been in has gotten worse. Ever since Melo got here he's dragged down the Knicks win total. Since Denver has droppped that anchor as well they are en route to their best record since the Nick Van Exel/Raef Lafrenz era! I see it now... its clear. Good call dude

you aren't having a dialogue you are just reacting. get a grip.

Im thanking you. Telling you what you have shown me. You and TFK. Isnt that why you post in every thread about the same thing? Like a religion looking for converts. Im in baby! Sold my Melo card. Bring me back Gallo and Sweetney and Marbury... whom I was also wrong about. MElo is Fugazy NYer, but TFK reminded us that Marbury is a REAL NYer. Its like a spiritual awakening. I feel free

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:not sure what that link is too.. but are you hitting F5 every 30 seconds?

Is it a photo of your victory parade? Making love to DK in his mom's basement?

Did you get your "I defeated fishmike and Melo sucks" tatoo yet? Ill fund that if you want... I think its a fair pennance to pay for my defeat!

the reason why melo has failed to accomplish anything of note is that he overrates himself and is overrated by many. if his strengths can be harnessed that is one thing, but in order for that to happen he has to step aside and be put in his proper role on a team is a second-and-a-half banana.

but correcting his weaknesses is another matter entirely, and any team he plays on he will drag down because of those weaknesses. that is why his teams always underachieve.

he made a fatal error when he went after money and wanted to be traded, and the error was based not merely on good old greed but, again, not knowing his own limitations. a man's got to know his limitations.

so while you want to go the sardonic route the truth of the matter remains.

Earlier, you stated that Melo drags down everyone that he plays with......

Did you Know that Billups posted his career high in Pts (19.5) while playing with Melo? Not to mention was a serious MVP candidate playing along side Melo?

Did you know that Iverson posted a career high in FG% @ (46%) while playing alongside Melo?

Did you know that Kenyon Martin posted career highs in FG % of ( 50%, 51%, 54%, and 49%) while playing along side Melo? and get this, his fg% was higher playing with Melo than it was playing with (the real Knicks MVP of last season) J Kidd while with the Nets?

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm

his best season was with billups where his ratio of usage to assist rate was 1.74:1. this is the kind of advanced stat that shows when melo is most effective in spite of his many flaws.

the following season that ratio leapt up to 2.1:1 and guess what happened?

with iverson that ratio was 1.87:1 for the regular season but then skyrocketed against the lakers and guess what happened?

you need to look more closely at this ratio and see how well it tracks with his success. it is eye-opening.

just a friendly suggestion.