smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

you missing te point. Is Melo consistant enough to be a winner in the post season? Can you answer that simple question? I have never thought he is. Love to be wrong about that but its plays out the same way year after year... You can put blame on other players for sure.. JR Smith was certainly as big a reason Knicks failed as MElo, but JR doesnt make $20mm and isnt the face of the franchise.

Proof is in the #s. Just go over MElo's playoff game logs. He has monster games which his teams either win or lose, followed by those 10-30 games his teams always lose. How do you compete for a title like that? Doesnt help that the other scorers are also low % volume guys.

thank you.. that goes right over their head... this is what stars do..

In a similar situation in the 2012 playoffs.. the heat are down to the pacers 2-1 going into game 4. if they lose they are down 3-1.. that is not a good place to be.. what do real stars do?

Lebron James:

40 points /18 rebounds(6 offensive) / 9 assists/2steals and 2 blocks! oh and he shot 52%

WADE:

30 points / 9 boards/ 6 dimes/ 2 blocks and a steal, and oh yea he shot 57%!!!

They won that crucial game 4, instead of going down 3-1, they tied the series 2-2 and went on to win the series 4-2... and yes they had home court advantage.. just like the knicks did..

Stars do what stars do!!

wannabe stars, fools gold players.. do this

24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

Done.. and Done..

By golly, you're right! Melo has never helped any team win ANY of the games he's played in- in fact if it wasn't for him the Nuggets would have won several championships, and the Knicks would certainly have won three by now.

You're right about that stars always coming through- I was over the moon when Ewing won us the first championship. I was really impressed when Tim Duncan and Tony Parker won the championship this year too. And Kevin Durant too! He must have like 5 or 6 rings by now. Melo's the only star player who's lost in the playoffs- he needs to learn from CP3 about post season success. Oh- wait a minute...

Ewing delivered, they just got beat by better teams... and players.. I can admit that.. Jordan was hell on the east..

what is the current teams excuse... from what I hear, we are better than the pacers, they have no star and we were built to beat the heat...

care to explain sir?

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

you missing te point. Is Melo consistant enough to be a winner in the post season? Can you answer that simple question? I have never thought he is. Love to be wrong about that but its plays out the same way year after year... You can put blame on other players for sure.. JR Smith was certainly as big a reason Knicks failed as MElo, but JR doesnt make $20mm and isnt the face of the franchise.

Proof is in the #s. Just go over MElo's playoff game logs. He has monster games which his teams either win or lose, followed by those 10-30 games his teams always lose. How do you compete for a title like that? Doesnt help that the other scorers are also low % volume guys.

thank you.. that goes right over their head... this is what stars do..

In a similar situation in the 2012 playoffs.. the heat are down to the pacers 2-1 going into game 4. if they lose they are down 3-1.. that is not a good place to be.. what do real stars do?

Lebron James:

40 points /18 rebounds(6 offensive) / 9 assists/2steals and 2 blocks! oh and he shot 52%

WADE:

30 points / 9 boards/ 6 dimes/ 2 blocks and a steal, and oh yea he shot 57%!!!

They won that crucial game 4, instead of going down 3-1, they tied the series 2-2 and went on to win the series 4-2... and yes they had home court advantage.. just like the knicks did..

Stars do what stars do!!

wannabe stars, fools gold players.. do this

24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

Done.. and Done..

By golly, you're right! Melo has never helped any team win ANY of the games he's played in- in fact if it wasn't for him the Nuggets would have won several championships, and the Knicks would certainly have won three by now.

You're right about that stars always coming through- I was over the moon when Ewing won us the first championship. I was really impressed when Tim Duncan and Tony Parker won the championship this year too. And Kevin Durant too! He must have like 5 or 6 rings by now. Melo's the only star player who's lost in the playoffs- he needs to learn from CP3 about post season success. Oh- wait a minute...

Ewing delivered, they just got beat by better teams... and players.. I can admit that.. Jordan was hell on the east..

what is the current teams excuse... from what I hear, we are better than the pacers, they have no star and we were built to beat the heat...

care to explain sir?

It's pointless- you have a blind spot when discussing Melo that prevents you from using your basic powers of reason!

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Durant, CP3, Ewing etc etc etc

All losers!

Nash, Stockton, Mailman, Miller, Barkley too

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Durant, CP3, Ewing etc etc etc

All losers!

Nash, Stockton, Mailman, Miller, Barkley too

That should silence all zero of the people criticizing Melo for not having rings!

Who said anything about silence?

Crucify that bastard, Melo!

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

you missing te point. Is Melo consistant enough to be a winner in the post season? Can you answer that simple question? I have never thought he is. Love to be wrong about that but its plays out the same way year after year... You can put blame on other players for sure.. JR Smith was certainly as big a reason Knicks failed as MElo, but JR doesnt make $20mm and isnt the face of the franchise.

Proof is in the #s. Just go over MElo's playoff game logs. He has monster games which his teams either win or lose, followed by those 10-30 games his teams always lose. How do you compete for a title like that? Doesnt help that the other scorers are also low % volume guys.

Your contention is that the reason that Melo doesn't go deep into the playoffs is because he isn't consistent??..Well explain to me why it seems like when every other star don't have another star next to them, they also don't go deep into the playoffs...Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol, Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook, KG didn't go far in the playoffs, DWill in the playoffs???...CP3 didnt go far in the playoffs..Wade didn't make the playoffs...I can go on and on..Dr.J didn't go far in the playoffs without Moses...Why did Bron go to Miami???...KG and Ray Allen to Boston???? Shaq to LA??..Why are these players making these moves????

I know facts aren't really relevant when venting against Melo but the rest of the Knicks shot 37/38% over the series???The Knicks were destroyed on the boards during that series..Melo led the team in rebounding against Indy..But we know that rest of the team couldn't be the problem..It's must be the guy shooting 43%...

again, you miss the POINT!!! stop focusing on who stars play with... the key is they play consistently well... if they don't advance, it is not on them... at that point you can look at other things.. lack of help, other team just being better.. etc..

the key here is carmelo is not consistent, he sucks up the joint and then throws in the token good game once the pressure is off and his team is dead man walking..

that was my point.. Answer this.. what stars do the pacers have?

Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook,

Once!!!!!!! you are going to hang your raggedy hat on that? but the key is they just got outplayed.. Durant had a hell of a series!! that is the point!!

.Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol,

really? really now? and gasol didn't make it out of the first round without kobe....so what is your point? not every player is going to have a shaq or gasol... that didn't stop dirk..

he had tyson chandler and jason kidd.. the same two players carmelo had.. what happened bro?

stop being a homer.

carmelo is a fools gold, one dimensional hack bro... that is it.. probably the most overrated player in knick history... he is a dinosaur, that old hold your hand out, give me the ball, jab step, jab step, dribble, drop your head, chuck crap is old.. tell him Glen Big dog robinson is waiting for him and wants his game back.. that old tired, crap he does is not conducive to winning. I dont't care if you cloned 4 lebrons and put him next to carmelo he would find a way to fck that up!!! get that donkey out of NY, the sooner the better!

Bro, do you read what u write before u post??..Just seems like u a fueled by anger and just run with it..For example, U posted that Melo's 39 pts, 7 Rebs, 2 asst on 53% shooting in game 6 was empty stats because the series was already over..Indy won the series 4-2..Going into that game the series was 3-2.. If the Knicks won that game, the Series would have been knotted at 3-3..You were trying to say that Melo don't show up for big games..Clearly u didn't think about this before u post...Just trying to enhance the discussion..I have more I can point out in terms of how wrong u have been..busy now..

the series was lost in game 1 because we lost home court and we are a weak defensive team, and weak defensive teams are not good playoff road teams.

but game 4? game 4 was an absolute must-win and he did not rise to the occasion. only 3 teams have come back from 3-1 deficits in the conference semifinals since 1968. that is 3 times in 45 years, or 6% of the time. on the whole teams have come back only 17% of the time in the playoffs in general.

so the series was essentially over by the time anthony did his heroic work.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

you missing te point. Is Melo consistant enough to be a winner in the post season? Can you answer that simple question? I have never thought he is. Love to be wrong about that but its plays out the same way year after year... You can put blame on other players for sure.. JR Smith was certainly as big a reason Knicks failed as MElo, but JR doesnt make $20mm and isnt the face of the franchise.

Proof is in the #s. Just go over MElo's playoff game logs. He has monster games which his teams either win or lose, followed by those 10-30 games his teams always lose. How do you compete for a title like that? Doesnt help that the other scorers are also low % volume guys.

Your contention is that the reason that Melo doesn't go deep into the playoffs is because he isn't consistent??..Well explain to me why it seems like when every other star don't have another star next to them, they also don't go deep into the playoffs...Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol, Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook, KG didn't go far in the playoffs, DWill in the playoffs???...CP3 didnt go far in the playoffs..Wade didn't make the playoffs...I can go on and on..Dr.J didn't go far in the playoffs without Moses...Why did Bron go to Miami???...KG and Ray Allen to Boston???? Shaq to LA??..Why are these players making these moves????

I know facts aren't really relevant when venting against Melo but the rest of the Knicks shot 37/38% over the series???The Knicks were destroyed on the boards during that series..Melo led the team in rebounding against Indy..But we know that rest of the team couldn't be the problem..It's must be the guy shooting 43%...

again, you miss the POINT!!! stop focusing on who stars play with... the key is they play consistently well... if they don't advance, it is not on them... at that point you can look at other things.. lack of help, other team just being better.. etc..

the key here is carmelo is not consistent, he sucks up the joint and then throws in the token good game once the pressure is off and his team is dead man walking..

that was my point.. Answer this.. what stars do the pacers have?

Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook,

Once!!!!!!! you are going to hang your raggedy hat on that? but the key is they just got outplayed.. Durant had a hell of a series!! that is the point!!

.Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol,

really? really now? and gasol didn't make it out of the first round without kobe....so what is your point? not every player is going to have a shaq or gasol... that didn't stop dirk..

he had tyson chandler and jason kidd.. the same two players carmelo had.. what happened bro?

stop being a homer.

carmelo is a fools gold, one dimensional hack bro... that is it.. probably the most overrated player in knick history... he is a dinosaur, that old hold your hand out, give me the ball, jab step, jab step, dribble, drop your head, chuck crap is old.. tell him Glen Big dog robinson is waiting for him and wants his game back.. that old tired, crap he does is not conducive to winning. I dont't care if you cloned 4 lebrons and put him next to carmelo he would find a way to fck that up!!! get that donkey out of NY, the sooner the better!

Bro, do you read what u write before u post??..Just seems like u a fueled by anger and just run with it..For example, U posted that Melo's 39 pts, 7 Rebs, 2 asst on 53% shooting in game 6 was empty stats because the series was already over..Indy won the series 4-2..Going into that game the series was 3-2.. If the Knicks won that game, the Series would have been knotted at 3-3..You were trying to say that Melo don't show up for big games..Clearly u didn't think about this before u post...Just trying to enhance the discussion..I have more I can point out in terms of how wrong u have been..busy now..

the series was lost in game 1 because we lost home court and we are a weak defensive team, and weak defensive teams are not good playoff road teams.

but game 4? game 4 was an absolute must-win and he did not rise to the occasion. only 3 teams have come back from 3-1 deficits in the conference semifinals since 1968. that is 3 times in 45 years, or 6% of the time. on the whole teams have come back only 17% of the time in the playoffs in general.

so the series was essentially over by the time anthony did his heroic work.

thanks for posting that... he seems to have a hard time grasping that concept...

very reminiscent of the teams that know they are now eliminated from playoff contention how guys start playing more lose, free flowing, less pressure...

typical carmelo anthony marbury type play... pressure off, come out shooting... score points and walk away eating a bag of salt and vinegar chips (which seems like his diet anyway) chirping.. "I did my job, I need help, I wanna test free agency, I aint going nowhere".... rofl....

smackeddog wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Durant, CP3, Ewing etc etc etc

All losers!

Nash, Stockton, Mailman, Miller, Barkley too

That should silence all zero of the people criticizing Melo for not having rings!

Who said anything about silence?

Crucify that bastard, Melo!

At the end of the day Melo is a basketball player who sometimes shoots too much. The level of hate he gets for that crime is beyond ridiculous, you'd think he regularly murdered children.

nah, this is nothing compared to what i have to say about people who do that..

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

you missing te point. Is Melo consistant enough to be a winner in the post season? Can you answer that simple question? I have never thought he is. Love to be wrong about that but its plays out the same way year after year... You can put blame on other players for sure.. JR Smith was certainly as big a reason Knicks failed as MElo, but JR doesnt make $20mm and isnt the face of the franchise.

Proof is in the #s. Just go over MElo's playoff game logs. He has monster games which his teams either win or lose, followed by those 10-30 games his teams always lose. How do you compete for a title like that? Doesnt help that the other scorers are also low % volume guys.

Your contention is that the reason that Melo doesn't go deep into the playoffs is because he isn't consistent??..Well explain to me why it seems like when every other star don't have another star next to them, they also don't go deep into the playoffs...Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol, Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook, KG didn't go far in the playoffs, DWill in the playoffs???...CP3 didnt go far in the playoffs..Wade didn't make the playoffs...I can go on and on..Dr.J didn't go far in the playoffs without Moses...Why did Bron go to Miami???...KG and Ray Allen to Boston???? Shaq to LA??..Why are these players making these moves????

I know facts aren't really relevant when venting against Melo but the rest of the Knicks shot 37/38% over the series???The Knicks were destroyed on the boards during that series..Melo led the team in rebounding against Indy..But we know that rest of the team couldn't be the problem..It's must be the guy shooting 43%...

again, you miss the POINT!!! stop focusing on who stars play with... the key is they play consistently well... if they don't advance, it is not on them... at that point you can look at other things.. lack of help, other team just being better.. etc..

the key here is carmelo is not consistent, he sucks up the joint and then throws in the token good game once the pressure is off and his team is dead man walking..

that was my point.. Answer this.. what stars do the pacers have?

Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook,

Once!!!!!!! you are going to hang your raggedy hat on that? but the key is they just got outplayed.. Durant had a hell of a series!! that is the point!!

.Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol,

really? really now? and gasol didn't make it out of the first round without kobe....so what is your point? not every player is going to have a shaq or gasol... that didn't stop dirk..

he had tyson chandler and jason kidd.. the same two players carmelo had.. what happened bro?

stop being a homer.

carmelo is a fools gold, one dimensional hack bro... that is it.. probably the most overrated player in knick history... he is a dinosaur, that old hold your hand out, give me the ball, jab step, jab step, dribble, drop your head, chuck crap is old.. tell him Glen Big dog robinson is waiting for him and wants his game back.. that old tired, crap he does is not conducive to winning. I dont't care if you cloned 4 lebrons and put him next to carmelo he would find a way to fck that up!!! get that donkey out of NY, the sooner the better!

Bro, do you read what u write before u post??..Just seems like u a fueled by anger and just run with it..For example, U posted that Melo's 39 pts, 7 Rebs, 2 asst on 53% shooting in game 6 was empty stats because the series was already over..Indy won the series 4-2..Going into that game the series was 3-2.. If the Knicks won that game, the Series would have been knotted at 3-3..You were trying to say that Melo don't show up for big games..Clearly u didn't think about this before u post...Just trying to enhance the discussion..I have more I can point out in terms of how wrong u have been..busy now..

the series was lost in game 1 because we lost home court and we are a weak defensive team, and weak defensive teams are not good playoff road teams.

but game 4? game 4 was an absolute must-win and he did not rise to the occasion. only 3 teams have come back from 3-1 deficits in the conference semifinals since 1968. that is 3 times in 45 years, or 6% of the time. on the whole teams have come back only 17% of the time in the playoffs in general.

so the series was essentially over by the time anthony did his heroic work.

thanks for posting that... he seems to have a hard time grasping that concept...

very reminiscent of the teams that know they are now eliminated from playoff contention how guys start playing more lose, free flowing, less pressure...

typical carmelo anthony marbury type play... pressure off, come out shooting... score points and walk away eating a bag of salt and vinegar chips (which seems like his diet anyway) chirping.. "I did my job, I need help, I wanna test free agency, I aint going nowhere".... rofl....

Funny I was gonna start a Melo & Marbury comparison thread but held back on the Melo saturation

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

you missing te point. Is Melo consistant enough to be a winner in the post season? Can you answer that simple question? I have never thought he is. Love to be wrong about that but its plays out the same way year after year... You can put blame on other players for sure.. JR Smith was certainly as big a reason Knicks failed as MElo, but JR doesnt make $20mm and isnt the face of the franchise.

Proof is in the #s. Just go over MElo's playoff game logs. He has monster games which his teams either win or lose, followed by those 10-30 games his teams always lose. How do you compete for a title like that? Doesnt help that the other scorers are also low % volume guys.

Your contention is that the reason that Melo doesn't go deep into the playoffs is because he isn't consistent??..Well explain to me why it seems like when every other star don't have another star next to them, they also don't go deep into the playoffs...Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol, Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook, KG didn't go far in the playoffs, DWill in the playoffs???...CP3 didnt go far in the playoffs..Wade didn't make the playoffs...I can go on and on..Dr.J didn't go far in the playoffs without Moses...Why did Bron go to Miami???...KG and Ray Allen to Boston???? Shaq to LA??..Why are these players making these moves????

I know facts aren't really relevant when venting against Melo but the rest of the Knicks shot 37/38% over the series???The Knicks were destroyed on the boards during that series..Melo led the team in rebounding against Indy..But we know that rest of the team couldn't be the problem..It's must be the guy shooting 43%...

again, you miss the POINT!!! stop focusing on who stars play with... the key is they play consistently well... if they don't advance, it is not on them... at that point you can look at other things.. lack of help, other team just being better.. etc..

the key here is carmelo is not consistent, he sucks up the joint and then throws in the token good game once the pressure is off and his team is dead man walking..

that was my point.. Answer this.. what stars do the pacers have?

Durant got bumped in the second round without Westbrook,

Once!!!!!!! you are going to hang your raggedy hat on that? but the key is they just got outplayed.. Durant had a hell of a series!! that is the point!!

.Kobe didn't make the playoffs without Shaq or Gasol,

really? really now? and gasol didn't make it out of the first round without kobe....so what is your point? not every player is going to have a shaq or gasol... that didn't stop dirk..

he had tyson chandler and jason kidd.. the same two players carmelo had.. what happened bro?

stop being a homer.

carmelo is a fools gold, one dimensional hack bro... that is it.. probably the most overrated player in knick history... he is a dinosaur, that old hold your hand out, give me the ball, jab step, jab step, dribble, drop your head, chuck crap is old.. tell him Glen Big dog robinson is waiting for him and wants his game back.. that old tired, crap he does is not conducive to winning. I dont't care if you cloned 4 lebrons and put him next to carmelo he would find a way to fck that up!!! get that donkey out of NY, the sooner the better!

Bro, do you read what u write before u post??..Just seems like u a fueled by anger and just run with it..For example, U posted that Melo's 39 pts, 7 Rebs, 2 asst on 53% shooting in game 6 was empty stats because the series was already over..Indy won the series 4-2..Going into that game the series was 3-2.. If the Knicks won that game, the Series would have been knotted at 3-3..You were trying to say that Melo don't show up for big games..Clearly u didn't think about this before u post...Just trying to enhance the discussion..I have more I can point out in terms of how wrong u have been..busy now..

the series was lost in game 1 because we lost home court and we are a weak defensive team, and weak defensive teams are not good playoff road teams.

but game 4? game 4 was an absolute must-win and he did not rise to the occasion. only 3 teams have come back from 3-1 deficits in the conference semifinals since 1968. that is 3 times in 45 years, or 6% of the time. on the whole teams have come back only 17% of the time in the playoffs in general.

so the series was essentially over by the time anthony did his heroic work.

What would have happened if the Knicks won game 6??

what would have happened if the pacers won game 5?

what would have happened if ewing didn't miss the finger roll?

what would have happened if starks didn't shoot 2-infinity in the finals

what would have happened if the knicks not traded for carmelo?

want me to keep going?

My point is that it was a big game..The series would have been 3-3...U can't discount that game as the series was over..

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:By the way...I'll take 29 pts 8 Rebs on 43% shooting From Melo any day of the week as he did in the Series...

so would you take his 27/11/ and only one assist on 35% shooting in game 1 which we lost.. 28 shots ? wow

how about his 21/5/ and yet again ONE assist stinker shooting 37% in another loss.. game 3.. knicks scored 71 points.. I thought having a superstar and scoring champion was supposed to avoid the knicks from having games like this?

or how about the pivotal game 4. knicks in danger falling down 3-1.. carmelo shows up with 24/9/ and yes, yet again ONE assist.. rofl... and oh. he shot 39%

so you can post that 43% because he had one or two games that help bring that horrible average up, but in the games his team needed him to be a star.. he wasn't.. he isn't.. plain and simple..

so I ask you.. is this what you really want?

Tell the whole story why don't u:

Game 2: 32pts 9reb 3 ast on 50% shooting
Game 5: 28pts 6 reb 0 asst on 43% shooting
Game 6: 39 pts 7 reb 2 asst on 53% shooting...

Anyone can post the worst games of any player from any series..By the way, that's how averages work..U add all the numbers, just not the bad...

Don't you get it? Only melo's bad games count- you have to ignore/ refuse to acknowledge any good games or achievements.

Playing the Knicks:
Pack the middle and bottle up the middle. Commit your bigs to protecting the basket, especially when Melo has the ball and you will win EVERY playoff series against the Knicks. Why? Because if you take away the paint from Melo he will take his shots elsewhere. And yes.. there will be games he lights it up because he's damn good. And those will be followed by games he shoot 10-30. 10 years of evidence and the excuses continue.

Its laughable.

I dont even hate the guy. He's a great player. I 100% agree with ESPN. Top 15 for sure, and probably top 10, but the holes in his game ad his refusal to change his approach will ensure the same thing happens every year.

So please... MElo apologists, holfresh, etc.. please tell me which parts Im wrong about