dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Damage caused by who? Dolan (I hope you're not talking about Melo)? A lot of those things you either can't blame on them or actually turned out well for us.

dolan is always the source of the bad, ultimately. but you can't say with a straight face, given http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments that melo is merely an innocent victim here, having no ability to catalyze anything.

or can you? in my opinion dolan and melo are made for each other, they enable each others considerable weaknesses. where they are destruction cannot be far off.

have you ever heard of "malignant narcissism" or "malignant narcissists?" 'cause that is what has been going down here. a classic case in fact, plain as day.

marbury same
thomas same
mills likely the same

Look, I'm not denying that Melo has some influence within the organization. Probably every franchise player does. However, I dont believe he orchestrated firing Grunwald in this situation. This was Dolan getting his buddy back into MSG. Nothing to do with Melo, in my opinion.

i never used the term "orchestrate" and that absolutely was not the meaning i attempted to convey. all anthony need do is behave consistent with himself, just like his vanilla game: blithe, conceited, narcissistic. he is surrounded by cronies and yes men and other forms of sycophants including agents, all of whom cannot but magnify his whims and create trouble or simply chase as much money as is possible and for what? to make him a rich loser, but with enough Fuck You money to gloss over any genuine care.

and guess what? dolan is really exactly the same. as i say, the two are made for each other. it really is high time more of my fellow knick fans come to grips with this essential fact. you can't like one without liking the other.

some knick fans may be in a bind over that, i figure. i see marbury, thomas, melo as basically variations on a theme with dolan at the infernal center of it all. maybe bill gallo if he's still around could make a dantean image with those four.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Damage caused by who? Dolan (I hope you're not talking about Melo)? A lot of those things you either can't blame on them or actually turned out well for us.

dolan is always the source of the bad, ultimately. but you can't say with a straight face, given http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments that melo is merely an innocent victim here, having no ability to catalyze anything.

or can you? in my opinion dolan and melo are made for each other, they enable each others considerable weaknesses. where they are destruction cannot be far off.

have you ever heard of "malignant narcissism" or "malignant narcissists?" 'cause that is what has been going down here. a classic case in fact, plain as day.

marbury same
thomas same
mills likely the same

Look, I'm not denying that Melo has some influence within the organization. Probably every franchise player does. However, I dont believe he orchestrated firing Grunwald in this situation. This was Dolan getting his buddy back into MSG. Nothing to do with Melo, in my opinion.

Papabear Says

You ever wonder why some of these guys are still Knicks fans?? They hate the management they hate the star players or even the team. So why are they here. Every thing that's wrong with this team is Melo's fault. It's sick. And they repeat the same damn thing over and over again. Dolan owns this team whether we like it or not. It ain't changing. So its best for them to move to another team that they like and is willing to root for and that is any team who ain't the Knicks.

You're hardly the most positive poster here. I find it puzzling that you think you've figured out the cut-off beyond which criticism indicates that you're not a real fan.

Papabear Says

At least I'm a Knicks Fan! And I go to games and enjoy MSG. What about you?? I'm positive about the Knicks. Here is my problem, some of you have nothing but anger and hate and its all Melo's fault. Hey Bonn Bonn its Dolan's money it's Dolan's cash. Bonn Bonn I repeat it's Dolan's and you are just a half tail negative poster with the twin brothers who are about nothing but doom and gloom. Maybe when you hit the big lottery you might have enough to buy a little piece of the Knicks Franchise which is the richest in the NBA. So no one cares about you and the twins doom and gloom. As for me I'm going to at least 10 Knicks games this season and guess what?? I'm gonna have a great time.

JamesKPolk wrote:The whole idea that we need to keep Melo happy is kind of funny. We gave this man the most money he could have gotten before the lockout and we are going to give him a max extension and further cripple our team. We will have Melo here until 33, 34 when he already is taking hits physically and suffering from them. He doesn't have the same body or work out routine like a LeBron or Kobe. He has been taking a beating for years and his body is breaking down. Since he's been here he has had every injury from knee to elbow. Not to mention that we still rely on him way too much to create off isolation. He's not a playmaker yet we give him the ball and ask him to make plays. But that's an argument for another day.

The point is that Carmelo wanted to come here. If he wants to stay here and win he should take less money. If he wants a max extension at 30 years old then he should start looking elsewhere. Giving a guy 60% of the money on your cap while being a mediocre team is not my idea of success. I'd rather rebuild than go through that.

When have the Knicks ever rebuilt?

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Damage caused by who? Dolan (I hope you're not talking about Melo)? A lot of those things you either can't blame on them or actually turned out well for us.

dolan is always the source of the bad, ultimately. but you can't say with a straight face, given http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments that melo is merely an innocent victim here, having no ability to catalyze anything.

or can you? in my opinion dolan and melo are made for each other, they enable each others considerable weaknesses. where they are destruction cannot be far off.

have you ever heard of "malignant narcissism" or "malignant narcissists?" 'cause that is what has been going down here. a classic case in fact, plain as day.

marbury same
thomas same
mills likely the same

Look, I'm not denying that Melo has some influence within the organization. Probably every franchise player does. However, I dont believe he orchestrated firing Grunwald in this situation. This was Dolan getting his buddy back into MSG. Nothing to do with Melo, in my opinion.

i never used the term "orchestrate" and that absolutely was not the meaning i attempted to convey. all anthony need do is behave consistent with himself, just like his vanilla game: blithe, conceited, narcissistic. he is surrounded by cronies and yes men and other forms of sycophants including agents, all of whom cannot but magnify his whims and create trouble or simply chase as much money as is possible and for what? to make him a rich loser, but with enough Fuck You money to gloss over any genuine care.

and guess what? dolan is really exactly the same. as i say, the two are made for each other. it really is high time more of my fellow knick fans come to grips with this essential fact. you can't like one without liking the other.

some knick fans may be in a bind over that, i figure. i see marbury, thomas, melo as basically variations on a theme with dolan at the infernal center of it all. maybe bill gallo if he's still around could make a dantean image with those four.

First you're right, you did never use the term orchestrate.
Second, I have ti disagree with your statement that you cant like Melo without liking Dolan. That is not a fact, as you said. That's your opinion and something that applies to you. It does not apply to me. I have no problem with Melo but I do not like Dolan.

if they share the same values, as they appear to me to do, that says a lot. if they exhibit the same behaviors and demeanor-- perhaps a judgment more prone to subjectivity but something i highly recommend examining closely-- that also says a lot.

but really, everyone one of us knows that we need to start connecting the dots, or, take our heads out of the sand. this is surely going to end up somehow being a "foolish drama" this season. i pity the relatively virtuous personnel that will be caught up in this.

new yorkers deserve a professional, adult, healthy, competent knicks franchise.
why can't we have a professional, adult, healthy, competent knicks franchise?

why why why why why why why
why why why
why why why
why why why why why why why
why why why
why why why

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Damage caused by who? Dolan (I hope you're not talking about Melo)? A lot of those things you either can't blame on them or actually turned out well for us.

dolan is always the source of the bad, ultimately. but you can't say with a straight face, given http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments that melo is merely an innocent victim here, having no ability to catalyze anything.

or can you? in my opinion dolan and melo are made for each other, they enable each others considerable weaknesses. where they are destruction cannot be far off.

have you ever heard of "malignant narcissism" or "malignant narcissists?" 'cause that is what has been going down here. a classic case in fact, plain as day.

marbury same
thomas same
mills likely the same

Look, I'm not denying that Melo has some influence within the organization. Probably every franchise player does. However, I dont believe he orchestrated firing Grunwald in this situation. This was Dolan getting his buddy back into MSG. Nothing to do with Melo, in my opinion.

Papabear Says

You ever wonder why some of these guys are still Knicks fans?? They hate the management they hate the star players or even the team. So why are they here. Every thing that's wrong with this team is Melo's fault. It's sick. And they repeat the same damn thing over and over again. Dolan owns this team whether we like it or not. It ain't changing. So its best for them to move to another team that they like and is willing to root for and that is any team who ain't the Knicks.

You're hardly the most positive poster here. I find it puzzling that you think you've figured out the cut-off beyond which criticism indicates that you're not a real fan.

Papabear Says

At least I'm a Knicks Fan! And I go to games and enjoy MSG. What about you?? I'm positive about the Knicks. Here is my problem, some of you have nothing but anger and hate and its all Melo's fault. Hey Bonn Bonn its Dolan's money it's Dolan's cash. Bonn Bonn I repeat it's Dolan's and you are just a half tail negative poster with the twin brothers who are about nothing but doom and gloom. Maybe when you the big lottery you might have enough to buy a little piece of the Knicks Franchise which is the richest in the NBA. So no one cares about you and the twins doom and gloom. As for me I'm going to at least 10 Knicks games this season and guess what?? I'm gonna have a great time.

That doesn't justify the arbitrary cut-off point that you've come up with to distinguish between "legitimate fans" and "scumbag haters." Someone could easily draw the line higher and say you're just a scumbag hater. Obviously you declare yourself a fan (which should be sufficient to any reasonable person) but so do the people you claim aren't fans.

Bonn Bonn I don't care what you are and later for that arbitrary - distinguish - legitimate mombo jumbo words you are using. You are doom and gloom with your twin brothers. And you won't take my joy this season. Just stay hidden under your bridge. But as for me look to see me at the games. I just can't wait for the season to start. Can't wait till the knicks play the Nets. Yes the Nets have a great team on paper. I don't like PP never did and that's is a sports type of way. I will be rooting for my team. Go Knicks. Bonn Bonn let me see you and the twins repeat me by posting Go Knicks, Go Knicks, Melo Melo we love you

holfresh wrote:The outrage over Grunwald's ouster is a little curious to me...Grunwald did an OK job, not necessary a great job...Dolan has every right to be a little unsure about Grunwald especially going into 2014/15 season..Novak's contract was a head scratcher..4 years close to 4 mil per, really???...3 years to JKidd and Camby??...KMart should have been here long ahead of Kurt Thomas, a no brainer...I mean come on guys...JR did us a solid by taking 2 mil last year...Without JR last year, it would have been a far different season...I'm not endorsing what Dolan did, but let's not make Grunwald out to be Jerry West...

I'll agree Grunwald didn't do a great job, mostly because he didn't have the flexibility to do anything truly substantial. Novak and Camby were gambles that didn't pan out, but were more or less rectified in the Bargnani trade. Kurt was part of the Raymond Felton trade, and Kmart was a signing late in the season when no one else had decided to offer him a contract, not seeing the connection. Basically, as I believe martin stated...he didn't **** up. Small, solid moves in addition to the pre-established foundation, got us to where we're at. Tyson, even though I have my doubts going forward with him, was a strong move. Enough to at least put my confidence in the man going forward, which is more than we've had in the past decade.