CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:tkf wrote:dk7th wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade
it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.
Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)
some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.
there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...
which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.
there is nothing positive about a hopeless situation. the owner is incompetent, feckless, egotistical, greedy, and infantile. he attracts the wrong people for the wrong reasons, many of whom share many of the traits he manifests. it's too bad some true lifelong knick fans have to endure this hot mess, and have crap heaped on their heads for stating the obvious.
The Knicks are Donnie Walsh's creation at this point. Grunwald can make small additions and hopefully draft well but the salaries/contracts are on Walsh. Walsh was supposed to be the respectable guy that would get the franchise back on track. Unfortunately his cap/asset clearing plan failed and he landed a guy who's knees were so bad that his contract couldn't be insured and he gave him a max deal. Not sure why you choose to ignore that and write rhetoric about character flaws. Seems like an agenda based post.
the only agenda around here is that it is NEVER melo's fault. it's walsh's fault. it's amare's fault. melo is the victim of walsh's incompetence and amare's bad knees. that sums up your position i am pretty sure.
melo was betrayed and he had nothing to do with coming to the knicks. he didn't want the money he just wanted to win. surely he had his drink laced with something and BAM next thing you know he wakes up in a knicks uniform.
Walsh made a really bad signing for an awful lot of money in a league where there is a salary cap. The Knicks cap situation because of that is so bad that vet minimum deals are analyzed to death because there is so little wiggle room the gm can't make a mistake. No one is saying Melo was betrayed. However, he did sign with a team as the second star in a situation where the Knicks have star money committed to their cap for another player that isn't able to play and doctors estimated his ability to play after surgery in '05 as 6-7 years. If you think the gm that cleared out players and picks to sign a boat anchor for the salary cap who's contract couldn't be insured is without fault for the Knicks current cap situation then we disagree.
Maybe instead of attempting to change the history of actual events you should use your eagle eye to identify who has the best shooting stroke in the draft on your tv or computer as you have referenced your ability to ability to analyze players shooting strokes when you watch them.
honestly Crush, the players that we sent were all pretty high in value, also GS's 2nd round picks were both expected to be high, while only 1 will probably be a high pick
1- Gallo Wilson Chandler are both worthy of at least a 1st round pick each, depending on what number the pick is
2- Like Felton for instance, he was traded for Portland's 1st round pick and Andre Miller (while we used a solid pick 2nd pick in Pap and another future 2nd round pick to get him back)
3- Eddy Curry's contract was used to save Denver 30m in salaries from going to 70m_ to about 40m and that does not even include the TAX money saved that goes a long with it, so probably about 60m in total
4- AR was worthy of at least a 2nd round pick just do to his potential, Twolves gave up Koufos in the deal, which I am not sure if he was considered more as a salary dump or asset, because they trusted in Darko/Love, Koufos became a solid player for Denver these past 2 years. Ironically AR played well when he was given a chance but never seemed to be able to ever get in the regular rotation. However, Denver's signs him to a 6m for 3 season (2m each season), and he is STILL VERY YOUNG, becoming 24 in July, he still has a lot of potential and at that price is considered low risk/high reward
Now both Brewer and Koufos are worthy of at least a 2nd round pick each...
5- Timothy MosGov was playing well for us and had at least a 2nd round pick in value because he had a friendly contract for a BIG
Honestly, had we should been able to keep 2 GS 2nd rounders and Wilson Chandler, I think it is still more than FAIR value
We don't have a legit SF like Wilson Chandler that has the ability to defend 3 position, and go in and out by teaming up with Anthony
He is a very efficient player and with good athleticism, all round skills, and versatility, comparable to a younger Marion with a better 3point shot, and the ability to penetrate off the dribble/finish with contract, and team up with Shump/Tyson Chandler to be our defensive core
He is quite under rated, and he also can initiate our offense with his ability to post up/allowing the combo of of Anthony/Wilson Chandler to go inside and out, making it very hard to defend. He has the size/strength/length/athleticism, the ability to defend Lebron 1v1 with Tyson Chandler helping him in the paint, much like Paul George and Hibbert
Donnie Walsh knew he was suppose to have "LEVERAGE" for once NY has leverage, while we always have to play $1.50 for 4 quarters in 95% of the trades because all teams/GM's know Dolan has money and it is never a factor, especially for big name players and when Isiah Thomas was running the show
The swap in 2016 with Melo's ability to opt out and leave for nothing in 2014 summer while we had limited asset's in improving the team was a Isiah like move
I understand Carmelo Anthony wanted his contract, that is fine, but had he said "I AM ONLY SIGNING AN EXTENSION WITH NYK" and he could even say it behind closed doors, only with Denver and NYK, while denying it with the media with a smile
The truth is, Denver would eventually have to trade him regardless, while the trade could have left some assets to build a team around Anthony
Instead, he would rather use the Net's even though he did not want to go there, to make sure that a deal would get done
Look at Lebron and Bosh, both were eventually traded for one 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick (which were both considered low picks since the Heat would be predicted to be at least a top 3 teams in the entire league) Which became pick 38 (which was considered much lower than expected as Mark Jackson improved the coaching, would have been to select PG/SG/SF Alex Shved, some other players include, sharp shooter Doron Lamb, Justin Hamilton *which Miami traded for that comparable to Kaman with a much better shot*, Mike Scott, Tyson Taylor, Kris Middleton, Kyle O Quin, which are some players that could be good prospects for the future
The $$$$ that Denver saved themselves from salaries and taxes, while STILL being in position to make the play offs, is worth a lot of value itself
Felton's contract was considered more cap friendly while Billup's was not a PG at his age which set us back without the ability to penetrate
We should have been able to keep Felton and still get Billup's for the other scrubs we picked up with Balkman, Shelden Williams, and Brewer (who we also waived and payed his salary for)
Denver has won coach of the year and GM of the year, while being sent home in the 1st round, they still have plenty of asset's, and players that they can part with in which OTHER TEAMS have interest in
So we have a big reason on their success for their future as our draft picks will continue to make them stronger for the near future
Look back at what Harden and Cp3 was traded for, we vastly over paid for Anthony
And we would also be in trade talks with them, in addition to D12, Deron, and even Rudy Gay *which was traded for a salary dump*
Most importantly, we would be able to keep our amnesty (which was not in the picture at the time)
We were able to retook because of the lock out with JR Smith, Lin, and Novak which actually speeded up our rebuilding process even though they are flawed players, they are still considered talented for that type of money
Like any player, they must be in the perfect system and players to FIT with a team, and he simply does not FIT with the flawed players we have now on our team
Tyson Chandler was great for us in year 1 but he simply was not the same player this year, and I have huge doubt's in his abilities as other younger C's will continue to get better and Tyson has a bigger chance in declining with age/injuries rather than improving his game
Tyson Chandler must be able to play with a top PG in the league, at least a PG that can penetrate and finish well, hit a wide open 3pointer, and facilitate consistently
With a stretch 4 that has a GOOD ALL ROUND GAME, with much all round/versatile players, and 1-2 lockdown type defenders, and a team that emphasizes, gives effort, and plays solid DEF
On OFF, a team that plays with unselfishness with TEAM BALL, and a team that could already score, which we had in our team prior to the Anthony trade. He needs a SF that could REBOUND/DEFEND/BLOCK SHOTS like Marion
He is best utilized with 4 other shooters, with a team that plays unselfishness with TEAM BALL, and a team that could already score, which we had in our team prior to the Anthony trade. While he is the only weak link as the 4 other players that starts with him can spread the floor, while he fights for position 1v1
Had he been signed as a FA with Eddy Curry's expiring, he would have fit perfectly with the versatility in Wilson Chandler/Gallo and I think we would have been able to still acquire Lin, and had we kept our draft picks, flipped our asset's in Felton, AR, for more asset's, have the full 5m MLE, and still have the ability to trade for another "STAR"
That team would have a very bright future, and still at least do no worse than what we have done in the playoffs since we traded for Melo
Instead we now have to worry about Melo opting out and leaving for nothing next year or signing him to a 20-23m extension when he will be 30+
I really hope he wants to stay in NYK and allow's us to retool in 2015 FA, even taking a 1 year deal between 8-12m (with the ability to opt out in 2016 and a no trade clause)
Since we have his bird rights, we would be able to add the star's/players needed in FA, and as he opts out, we can reward him with a future deal that could allow us to compete
Will he do this for the benefit of NYK or would he rather just team up with a team and still make a good amount of money with more talent?
Or will it be about him and what he could make once again?
5/30/2013 2:16 AM