callmened wrote:im a big fan of KCP...reminds me of a danny green type

from the video, looks like a less athletic, slightly smaller version of a YOUNG JR Smith *NOT the JR Smith of this year*
In time and development, he could be a poor version of JR but it will take time, experience, and lots of hard work/dedication (on his part) to develop

BRIGGS wrote:

callmened wrote:shane larkin (PG) will declare for the NBA!

Those are the three guys I would target if we dont move the pick. Shane Larkin Erick Green or Nate Wolters. Impossible to peg one guy down but I think we could be happy with any of the three.

The depth at PG is nice. We should be able to pull a quality PG from this draft no matter what.

VDesai wrote:Yeah Schroeder sounds very interesting. Question is how are the KNicks going to be able to get some new young players? They have almost no draft picks and very few tradeable assets to pick any up.

Luckily the Knicks dont need to draft a star. They just need a solid player who can contribute.

- Nerlens Noel is only 206 lbs.

- Kansas' Ben McLemore was just 6-3.5 in socks and 6-4.75 in shoes. He does, however, have a 6-7.75 wingspan.

- Victor Oladipo was even smaller at 6-3.25 in socks and 6-4.25 in shoes. His wingspan was a very long 6-9.25.

- Otto Porter was big, measuring 6-7.5 in socks and 6-8.5 in shoes. He has a very long 7-1.5 wingspan.

- Shabazz Muhammad was much smaller, measuring just 6-4.75 in socks and 6-6.25 in shoes. He does have a 6-11 wingspan.

- Indiana's Cody Zeller got a strong measurement of 6-10.75 in socks and 7-0.25 in shoes. However, his 6-10.75 wingspan and 8-10 standing reach are on the small side.

- French prospect Rudy Gobert had the most ridiculous measurements of the camp: 7-0.5 in socks and 7-2 in shoes with a crazy 7-8.5 wingspan and 9-7 standing reach.

- Pierre Jackson, Shane Larkin and Phil Pressey were the only players in the camp to measure shorter than 6 feet tall.

Dwayne Davis

compared to as the right handed James Harden
I couldn't find any videos of him but he would be a big combo guard from what I see with strong ability to penetrate
We need penetration to initiate our offense that would open up the court for our shooters and take away the pressure from Melo
He needs time to develop and getting bigger/stronger without losing his quickness and pick a position that he can defend best as his body fills out with either PG/SG/SF

This video is 3 years old but a project to keep our eyes on especially if we could trade Chandler to Portland with one of their picks at picks 39,40, and 45

on Offense

Davis
Iman
JR
Melo
C that is mobile/shot blocker or/and a stretch 5, Copeland/Muscala/Ryan Kelly and/or /Kmart/Camby/Jermaine Oneal

on DEF

Iman/JR on PG
JR/Davis
JR
Melo
C Camby/Kmart/JO

RonRon wrote:

Dwayne Davis

compared to as the right handed James Harden
I couldn't find any videos of him but he would be a big combo guard from what I see with strong ability to penetrate
We need penetration to initiate our offense that would open up the court for our shooters and take away the pressure from Melo
He needs time to develop and getting bigger/stronger without losing his quickness and pick a position that he can defend best as his body fills out with either PG/SG/SF

This video is 3 years old but a project to keep our eyes on especially if we could trade Chandler to Portland with one of their picks at picks 39,40, and 45

on Offense

Davis
Iman
JR
Melo
C that is mobile/shot blocker or/and a stretch 5, Copeland/Muscala/Ryan Kelly and/or /Kmart/Camby/Jermaine Oneal

on DEF

Iman/JR on PG
JR/Davis
JR
Melo
C Camby/Kmart/JO

I agree, definitely a guy we should be keeping an eye on. 16 ppg, 49% from the field (over 41% from 3), over 78% from the line --- those are all good numbers for a 2G, not to mention a 1st-year Div 1 college transfer. Read that he was very solid in Portsmouth too...A sturdy 6'5" 205-225 (depending on what website you're looking at).

Not sure that's the same player in the video that we're talking about though, Ron..Could be wrong -- I'll double check...If JR Smith departs (and I'm already on record -- I want him gone, esp. if we're expected to be saddled with his younger brother, Chris -- that's completely ridiculous -- he didn't earn a perk like that, not after all the immaturity and 2 disappearing acts the last 2 playoffs. That's a concession that you make for a Michael Jordan or a Kobe Bryant -- not JR Smith) -- we really need to be keeping track of all SGs & SFs not only coming out of this draft class but all the ones that may be available to us period (domestic FAs, overseas, etc..). This guy's worth keeping a tab on. If he goes undrafted, he's definitely a guy you bring in for Summer League for closer inspection.

RonRon wrote:

RonRon wrote:

callmened wrote:@Ronron...just a couple of thoughts

1. I know im not BRIGGS but ive played and watch a LOT of college bball. the quality of this draft sucks at the top and bottom. sure there might be some sleeper picks and stars but its too difficult to judge. I just dont think its worth the risk to start trading future picks for a draft this weak.

Reality = we will draft a Euro player and trade them immedicately

2. Amare wont retire and thinks he can still contribute. He feels embarrassed and wants to produce. Third, one can argue in trading Tyson bu it just wont happen. Its a pride thing, knicks brass made so many moves to get the big 3 (tyson, melo, amare) that trading them before their contracts expire would be admitting defeat.

Reality = Tyson, Melo and Amare will not be moves until they are expiring contracts.

3. In regards to JR and the other free agents, I'm not sure what to do. Most likely JR will want more than the $5 million that we can offer him via Birds Rights. JR of course will earn MORE than that due to his great play. Copeland as well has earned himself a solid contract (probably in the $3-5mil range). KMart has played well but hes still old and injury prone. Im not sure how much hell want or earn

Reality = most likely we'll lose JR so knicks have to start thinking of replacements. (SG Foye, Rush). Knicks have to decide if Copeland is worth keeping. They can probably use the $3MLE on him. Once again, the knicks are STUCK due to their salary cap problems. They should be creative (by trading Tyson and other assets) but they wont due to stubbornness.

just my $0.02

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Giannis-Adetokunbo-7223/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sergey-Karasev-6118/

also like Euro Westbrook and that PF/C from Farmingdale that under the radar like built like AR 2.0
Maybe Walters/Eric Green/ or whoever else that will fall

there are a lot of players that will have potential or/and be able to contribute from mid 20's to mid 30s
There are a lot of Euro players that are picked in this area because of the way the contracts are structured vs 1st rounders, which can be used as an asset or a player to develop
While there are no clear cut "STARS" in the top of the draft, I think this is actually a deep draft for "role players" and under "star" players

As for Amare, Melo, Tyson
They are no longer our "big 3"
JR has earned that spot as our 2nd man after Melo
While Tyson is starting to break down and it is clear that we play much better with an all round player like Kmart
Tyson's DEF has been under average at best for most of the season, it is not the DPOY standards as Kmart as outplayed Tyson
Now, maybe we need Tyson to step up in the post season, but I think JR is more important to the team than Tyson
I would gladly take Hickson and a vet min player's production, possibly gain a full MLE vs mini MLE in the process, if we can unload him to a team like Portland
Not even expecting the 12 pick back, just to get that exemption like LA got for Odom that turned to Nash
I would be happy with a 2nd round pick or 2 in the process

As for Amare, lets just say he is closer to a 9th man than the "STAR" we signed for 100m

As for Copeland, I think he can get anywhere from 2-5m per year, I am not sure if we have the ability to match the offer or not, but as long as it isn't structured like
Fields deal or higher, we probably should match, but we never know with the Knicks management
Also Copeland has been playing the C with much more success and had the least success at the SF position
He has lack of speed issue, without much hops, but a solid handle
When a Center is defending him, he gets to expose the mismatch while most C's do not have the ability to defend his 3point shot and stop him from penetrating without help
He has been most effective at this position and I think a team like Spur's will give him a decent contract
His DEF and effort has been there, he did a great job vs OKC and Hibbert who is much bigger than Cope

SERGEY KARASEV

GIANNIS ADETOKUNBO

Really like to potential in GIANNIS ADETOKUNBO
See him somewhere between as a tweener between SF/PF with the body/skills of Ibaka/AK47/Gereld Wallace/Hakeem Warrick
On draft sites he is anywhere from early mid round to mid/late 1st round
Athletic/Long/ decent all round skills/including handle with HUGE HANDS for ability to finish/handle the ball/solid defender and shot blocker
If he slips to our pick I think he would take some time to develop as he fills out but he has very high potential

NBA.DRAFTNET has us currently picking Tony Mitchel, basically a 6-8 F like Kenyon Martin but doesn't have the fundamentals/IQ of Martin with insane athleticism...

Boy I wish we moved up to grab Giannis Antetokounmpo before the Bucks draft him at 15, he had TOP 3 potential and would have been the perfect fit for CA with his ability to create for others and defend multiple positions

Instead of using our 2016 draft pick *though Denver has the right to swap* and the other 2 2nd round picks we used for AB

I think these teams, especially T-Wolves, would have traded with us had we offered them our pick at 23, which we draft Tim Hardaway JR with while Rudy Gobert was drafted at 27 who had the highest upside and filled a need in a position that we only had Tyson Chandler at the time, he could have been the Center for our future
Another player was Archie Goodwin who is a combo guard that could play PG and was a product of Kentucky, at the time, produced guards like John Wall and Bledsoe, and BIGS like Cousins, Patrick Pattterson
With that said, I am not sure if we can even get a middle/higher 2nd round pick in this draft, in which I was hoping we can land 2 2nd round picks if we sold him after last seasons ALL STAR break due to his potential with Tim Hardaway JR versus Dion Waiters going at it in the ALL STAR game and in a season game *if we sold him in the summer*

SG was the only position that we already had depth in while we needed upgrades in EVERY OTHER position and young players to develop to be our future but we chose to go for the BIG NAME
Tim Hardaway JR is gunner, just like JR SMith *who was a UFA that we had early bird rights to and according to sources, we "allegedly" knew he needed knee surgery, though he won 6th man of the year prior to his contract and seemed like he figured this out with the guidance of Kidd, Rasheed, Kurt Thomas, Camby and our veterans, who dramtically improved his DEFENSE, ability to create for others/facilitate, and seemed to turned this around prior to his Jason Terry antics and poor performance in the play offs while banging Rihanaa, partying, and smoking pot and doing who knows what other drugs

It was easily the BEST season he had in a contract year and at times, he looked like he was destined to earn a contract upwards of 8m per year on a 4year deal and could be as high as 10-12m deal had he performed in the play offs and NOT get ejected for the Terry incident
Though Woodson's system clearly was ineffective and The Pacer's took full advantage of it as Woodosn didn't make any adjustments and play Copeland more who would have pulled either David West/Hibbert out, just like he did in the regular season, we just might have had a chance vs them
Instead we chose to go for the ISO MELO versus Paul George and Hibbert cheating on CHandler and protecting the rim, which resulted in taking about 30 shots to score 30 pts

Today as I watch Giannes develop, who I was really high on as he clearly had the physical tools to be a SUPERSTAR or at least a LOCKDOWN DEFENDER with great all round skills/playmaking abilities, though he would take 2-3 season to fill out his body and get stronger, I cannot help but wonder what IF we traded with one of these teams, especially with the TWolves who likely would have done such a deal as they were likely rebuilding and could use all those extra draft picks

The draft picks we used to trade for AB really set us back, who Toronto should be giving out multiple assets/picks to take on his contract who was an amnesty target, instead we traded for him with our CAA representatives that pushed Glen Grunwald to do so, even if we didn't trade for Giannes, if we add in another future 1st rounder at time or overpay with another 1st rounder *making it 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd round picks* that is ALL STAR potential, at the time which LaMarcus Aldridge was not very happy with the direction of the Portland Trailblazers or another STAR

1 12 Steven Adams C New Zealand Oklahoma City Thunder (from Toronto via Houston)[a] Pittsburgh (Fr.)
1 13 Kelly Olynyk C Canada Dallas Mavericks (traded to Boston)[C] Gonzaga (Jr.)
1 14 Shabazz Muhammad SG/SF United States Utah Jazz (traded to Minnesota)[B] UCLA (Fr.)

I guess we at least got his Thanasis, who is a couple inches shorter, lacks the length and all round skills, and doesn't have the upside/ceiling of his younger brother