"It just really happened over the last, like, 48 hours," Chandler said on ESPN 103.3's "Ben and Skin Show" on Friday. "I just think the future of the team, being able to play alongside Amare Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and the young talent that we have, I feel like puts us in contention over the next four or five years."

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:what is even worse is that most fans knew that carmelo coming here the way he did would strip the team of a lot of talent.. yet at the end of next year, their excuse was.... He had no help... go figure...

What are you talking about? That pre-trade team lacked overall talent to begin with. They were like 2 games above .500 as a struggling basketball team heading into the all-star break.

What "talent" are you talking about? Trading for Melo "stripped" the team of "alot" of talent? Please, explain.

We replaced an above average (at most) Gallo with one of the greatest players in the world in Melo at the SF position. Therefore you can not consider Gallo as being a "lost talent" but instead, as an outstanding upgrade in Melo.

Mozgov was a project rookie center from Russia. Only averaged 4 points, 3.1 boards and 0.7 blocks per game during 13.5 minutes per game. Some "talent". He's nothing more than a jag. 3rd string Center for Denver. Bench warmer. "Stripped of alot of talent". Please, enlighten us...

Eddy Curry? Was Eddy Curry one of those players in which you were speaking of when talking about stripping us of all that talent? Curry averaged 0.0 points off 0.0 minutes per game for the Knicks.

What about a career nothing in Anthony Randolph? Was AR the scrub you're talking about in regards to being "stripped" of "alot of talent"? The same AR who's averaging only 0.8 points per game this season? Or the AR who's only averaged 2.1 points as a Knick? Or what about the AR who's currently Denver's 13th man off the bench? Which one is it? Now make up your mind TKF...

Last but not least... That leaves WILSON CHANDLER!!! OH MY GOD PEOPLE! WE WERE "STRIPPED OF ALL THIS TALENT" for WILSON CHANDLER?!?!?!?

I just broke it down. That's who we "lost". Now, please enlighten us. Please explain in full detail and/or depth how the Knicks were "stripped of all this talent"?!?

And don't you even DARE mentioning Raymond Felton as a talent that we lost, when you've not only harped all over but also made fun of Felton non stop. Nice try.

Dude is still hurting. Just don't respond and maybe he will realize he's currently on an island populated by The Captain, Gilligan, the Professor but, no MaryAnn or Ginger because hey are currently part of the Knicks City Dancers.

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:I am going to help you out here, and you can scream troll all you want... the wolf crying is over..

Nah, I'll just state that you don't know and/or understand math to well...

tkf wrote:in order for carmelo to finish top 5 all time in scoring, he has to at least get to where kobe is.. Kobe is #5 at 30K, so assuming that he passes wilt, that will push wilt to #5 at 31k..

carmelo is at 16k, it took him 10 seasons to get there...

This is where you're wrong. On two accounts. A.) He's currently at 16,483 points (nice job trying to erase over 450 points) and B.) It hasn't taken him 10 seasons to get here. He's yet to complete his 10th season and lets not forget, last year was a shortened season. You're trying to put Carmelo at 16,000 after 10 seasons but when in reality he's at 16,483 points during his 10th NBA season with another 60 games remaining before you can state that he's completed 10 NBA seasons.

During his 10th NBA season he's currently averaging 27.9 points per game (here in 2012-2013). If Melo keeps up his rate of 27.9 points per game during our next 60 games? That'll be another 1,674 points. Add a potential 1,674 points to his already 16,483 points and that would put Melo at 18,157 points heading into his 11th NBA season ala after his 10th year. Not "16,000". Nice job trying to shave off over 2,000 points.

Let's not forget, if not for a shortened season last year, Melo would have more total points as of today.

tkf wrote:he is avg about 1800pts per year, to get to 30k he will need to do that for the next 8 years, do you really think that is going to happen? carmelo is 28, do you think he is going to do that for 8 years until he is 36, counting in aging, declining game, and injuries? really?

You are wrong on your math yet again. If he continues his current season average for the rest of the season, that'll put Melo at a total of 18,157 points after 10 NBA seasons. An average of 1,815.7 points per season. In order to reach Wilt's 31,419 career points Melo would (then) only need another 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt for 5th all-time.

So how you came up with Melo needing 1,800 points per year, for 8 years, in order to pass Wilt is beyond me. What's 1,800 times 8? The answer would be 14,400 points. Now add 14,400 points to Melo's potential 18,157 points (after this season) and you'll come up with 32,557. That passes Wilt by 1,138 points.

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

tkf wrote:like it or not, you are not being realistic or reasonable...can it happen? hey anything can happen, but you are making it out to be sure fire... I am sure many thought the same thing about T-mac, it just didn't happen... so before you go off with stating things as fact, and adding "like it or not".. maybe you need to step back, take a breath, take off the rose colored glasses and hold an adult debate.... that is how you debate... like it or not...

ok, feel free now to yell troll and baiting....

Trolling and baiting? Nah, this time it's just sounding very foolish and/or someone who has a lack of overall knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. You're using T-Mac as an example? Nice to know because the last time I checked McGrady played 15 NBA seasons and only put up 18,381 points. Carmelo could be at 18,157 after 10 seasons when T-Mac could only put up 18,381 after 15 NBA seasons. Now I'm using your own example on how great of a scorer Melo has always been. Want another example? McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career. Nice example though (being sarcastic). A matter of fact, Melo has only missed a total of 63 NBA games heading into this season. An average of only 7 games missed per season.

Nice try though.

Its is so funny that tkf,somewhere in that post of his can say "BEFORE YOU GO OFF STATING THINGS AS FACT" when he tells us why Melo came here, why the nuggs made the deal etc... WHEN HE DONT KNOW THE FACTS. Does tkf have some inside track talking to Melo?NO Does he have an inside track inside the nuggets?NO But he says what hes saying is fact.LOL As someone said before tkf is a clown and his clowny partner is dk.

cooch2584 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:I am going to help you out here, and you can scream troll all you want... the wolf crying is over..

Nah, I'll just state that you don't know and/or understand math to well...

tkf wrote:in order for carmelo to finish top 5 all time in scoring, he has to at least get to where kobe is.. Kobe is #5 at 30K, so assuming that he passes wilt, that will push wilt to #5 at 31k..

carmelo is at 16k, it took him 10 seasons to get there...

This is where you're wrong. On two accounts. A.) He's currently at 16,483 points (nice job trying to erase over 450 points) and B.) It hasn't taken him 10 seasons to get here. He's yet to complete his 10th season and lets not forget, last year was a shortened season. You're trying to put Carmelo at 16,000 after 10 seasons but when in reality he's at 16,483 points during his 10th NBA season with another 60 games remaining before you can state that he's completed 10 NBA seasons.

During his 10th NBA season he's currently averaging 27.9 points per game (here in 2012-2013). If Melo keeps up his rate of 27.9 points per game during our next 60 games? That'll be another 1,674 points. Add a potential 1,674 points to his already 16,483 points and that would put Melo at 18,157 points heading into his 11th NBA season ala after his 10th year. Not "16,000". Nice job trying to shave off over 2,000 points.

Let's not forget, if not for a shortened season last year, Melo would have more total points as of today.

tkf wrote:he is avg about 1800pts per year, to get to 30k he will need to do that for the next 8 years, do you really think that is going to happen? carmelo is 28, do you think he is going to do that for 8 years until he is 36, counting in aging, declining game, and injuries? really?

You are wrong on your math yet again. If he continues his current season average for the rest of the season, that'll put Melo at a total of 18,157 points after 10 NBA seasons. An average of 1,815.7 points per season. In order to reach Wilt's 31,419 career points Melo would (then) only need another 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt for 5th all-time.

So how you came up with Melo needing 1,800 points per year, for 8 years, in order to pass Wilt is beyond me. What's 1,800 times 8? The answer would be 14,400 points. Now add 14,400 points to Melo's potential 18,157 points (after this season) and you'll come up with 32,557. That passes Wilt by 1,138 points.

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

tkf wrote:like it or not, you are not being realistic or reasonable...can it happen? hey anything can happen, but you are making it out to be sure fire... I am sure many thought the same thing about T-mac, it just didn't happen... so before you go off with stating things as fact, and adding "like it or not".. maybe you need to step back, take a breath, take off the rose colored glasses and hold an adult debate.... that is how you debate... like it or not...

ok, feel free now to yell troll and baiting....

Trolling and baiting? Nah, this time it's just sounding very foolish and/or someone who has a lack of overall knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. You're using T-Mac as an example? Nice to know because the last time I checked McGrady played 15 NBA seasons and only put up 18,381 points. Carmelo could be at 18,157 after 10 seasons when T-Mac could only put up 18,381 after 15 NBA seasons. Now I'm using your own example on how great of a scorer Melo has always been. Want another example? McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career. Nice example though (being sarcastic). A matter of fact, Melo has only missed a total of 63 NBA games heading into this season. An average of only 7 games missed per season.

Nice try though.

Its is so funny that tkf,somewhere in that post of his can say "BEFORE YOU GO OFF STATING THINGS AS FACT" when he tells us why Melo came here, why the nuggs made the deal etc... WHEN HE DONT KNOW THE FACTS. Does tkf have some inside track talking to Melo?NO Does he have an inside track inside the nuggets?NO But he says what hes saying is fact.LOL As someone said before tkf is a clown and his clowny partner is dk.

OH THE IRONY :)

cooch2584 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:I am going to help you out here, and you can scream troll all you want... the wolf crying is over..

Nah, I'll just state that you don't know and/or understand math to well...

tkf wrote:in order for carmelo to finish top 5 all time in scoring, he has to at least get to where kobe is.. Kobe is #5 at 30K, so assuming that he passes wilt, that will push wilt to #5 at 31k..

carmelo is at 16k, it took him 10 seasons to get there...

This is where you're wrong. On two accounts. A.) He's currently at 16,483 points (nice job trying to erase over 450 points) and B.) It hasn't taken him 10 seasons to get here. He's yet to complete his 10th season and lets not forget, last year was a shortened season. You're trying to put Carmelo at 16,000 after 10 seasons but when in reality he's at 16,483 points during his 10th NBA season with another 60 games remaining before you can state that he's completed 10 NBA seasons.

During his 10th NBA season he's currently averaging 27.9 points per game (here in 2012-2013). If Melo keeps up his rate of 27.9 points per game during our next 60 games? That'll be another 1,674 points. Add a potential 1,674 points to his already 16,483 points and that would put Melo at 18,157 points heading into his 11th NBA season ala after his 10th year. Not "16,000". Nice job trying to shave off over 2,000 points.

Let's not forget, if not for a shortened season last year, Melo would have more total points as of today.

tkf wrote:he is avg about 1800pts per year, to get to 30k he will need to do that for the next 8 years, do you really think that is going to happen? carmelo is 28, do you think he is going to do that for 8 years until he is 36, counting in aging, declining game, and injuries? really?

You are wrong on your math yet again. If he continues his current season average for the rest of the season, that'll put Melo at a total of 18,157 points after 10 NBA seasons. An average of 1,815.7 points per season. In order to reach Wilt's 31,419 career points Melo would (then) only need another 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt for 5th all-time.

So how you came up with Melo needing 1,800 points per year, for 8 years, in order to pass Wilt is beyond me. What's 1,800 times 8? The answer would be 14,400 points. Now add 14,400 points to Melo's potential 18,157 points (after this season) and you'll come up with 32,557. That passes Wilt by 1,138 points.

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

tkf wrote:like it or not, you are not being realistic or reasonable...can it happen? hey anything can happen, but you are making it out to be sure fire... I am sure many thought the same thing about T-mac, it just didn't happen... so before you go off with stating things as fact, and adding "like it or not".. maybe you need to step back, take a breath, take off the rose colored glasses and hold an adult debate.... that is how you debate... like it or not...

ok, feel free now to yell troll and baiting....

Trolling and baiting? Nah, this time it's just sounding very foolish and/or someone who has a lack of overall knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. You're using T-Mac as an example? Nice to know because the last time I checked McGrady played 15 NBA seasons and only put up 18,381 points. Carmelo could be at 18,157 after 10 seasons when T-Mac could only put up 18,381 after 15 NBA seasons. Now I'm using your own example on how great of a scorer Melo has always been. Want another example? McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career. Nice example though (being sarcastic). A matter of fact, Melo has only missed a total of 63 NBA games heading into this season. An average of only 7 games missed per season.

Nice try though.

Its is so funny that tkf,somewhere in that post of his can say "BEFORE YOU GO OFF STATING THINGS AS FACT" when he tells us why Melo came here, why the nuggs made the deal etc... WHEN HE DONT KNOW THE FACTS. Does tkf have some inside track talking to Melo?NO Does he have an inside track inside the nuggets?NO But he says what hes saying is fact.LOL As someone said before tkf is a clown and his clowny partner is dk.

so you are telling us otherwise? did you have an inside track..it works both ways.....

But he says what hes saying is fact

great show me where I said it was a fact?

As someone said before tkf is a clown and his clowny partner is dk.

I love the name calling, a true sign of emotional implosion..

you are not built for online forums.. just too much for you... if you can't discuss without these tactics.. why bother.. do you think that part makes your argument any better?

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:I am going to help you out here, and you can scream troll all you want... the wolf crying is over..

Nah, I'll just state that you don't know and/or understand math to well...

tkf wrote:in order for carmelo to finish top 5 all time in scoring, he has to at least get to where kobe is.. Kobe is #5 at 30K, so assuming that he passes wilt, that will push wilt to #5 at 31k..

carmelo is at 16k, it took him 10 seasons to get there...

This is where you're wrong. On two accounts. A.) He's currently at 16,483 points (nice job trying to erase over 450 points) and B.) It hasn't taken him 10 seasons to get here. He's yet to complete his 10th season and lets not forget, last year was a shortened season. You're trying to put Carmelo at 16,000 after 10 seasons but when in reality he's at 16,483 points during his 10th NBA season with another 60 games remaining before you can state that he's completed 10 NBA seasons.

During his 10th NBA season he's currently averaging 27.9 points per game (here in 2012-2013). If Melo keeps up his rate of 27.9 points per game during our next 60 games? That'll be another 1,674 points. Add a potential 1,674 points to his already 16,483 points and that would put Melo at 18,157 points heading into his 11th NBA season ala after his 10th year. Not "16,000". Nice job trying to shave off over 2,000 points.

Let's not forget, if not for a shortened season last year, Melo would have more total points as of today.

tkf wrote:he is avg about 1800pts per year, to get to 30k he will need to do that for the next 8 years, do you really think that is going to happen? carmelo is 28, do you think he is going to do that for 8 years until he is 36, counting in aging, declining game, and injuries? really?

You are wrong on your math yet again. If he continues his current season average for the rest of the season, that'll put Melo at a total of 18,157 points after 10 NBA seasons. An average of 1,815.7 points per season. In order to reach Wilt's 31,419 career points Melo would (then) only need another 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt for 5th all-time.

So how you came up with Melo needing 1,800 points per year, for 8 years, in order to pass Wilt is beyond me. What's 1,800 times 8? The answer would be 14,400 points. Now add 14,400 points to Melo's potential 18,157 points (after this season) and you'll come up with 32,557. That passes Wilt by 1,138 points.

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

tkf wrote:like it or not, you are not being realistic or reasonable...can it happen? hey anything can happen, but you are making it out to be sure fire... I am sure many thought the same thing about T-mac, it just didn't happen... so before you go off with stating things as fact, and adding "like it or not".. maybe you need to step back, take a breath, take off the rose colored glasses and hold an adult debate.... that is how you debate... like it or not...

ok, feel free now to yell troll and baiting....

Trolling and baiting? Nah, this time it's just sounding very foolish and/or someone who has a lack of overall knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. You're using T-Mac as an example? Nice to know because the last time I checked McGrady played 15 NBA seasons and only put up 18,381 points. Carmelo could be at 18,157 after 10 seasons when T-Mac could only put up 18,381 after 15 NBA seasons. Now I'm using your own example on how great of a scorer Melo has always been. Want another example? McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career. Nice example though (being sarcastic). A matter of fact, Melo has only missed a total of 63 NBA games heading into this season. An average of only 7 games missed per season.

Nice try though.

I rounded on both ends, you see I used 31k and 16k, or are you going to tell me that wilt is exactly at 31k

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

you can nitpick the numbers.. 1800 or 1815.333.333.333.333 or whatever.. if he needs 13k after this season, and again you are assuming he keeps the same pace... that is 7.23 years to get 13k points.. he will be 36 years old.. do you really expect that?

McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

T-macs first 3 years in toronto were off the bench.. why not compare apples to apples.. and had his knees not betrayed him, he would have been on pace to move up the list quickly.. I am sure there was some big T-mac fan trying to extrapolate out his numbers and how he would become all time scorer until T-mac's knees said otherwise...

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career

I am just explaining to you how it is not a certainly, a lot of things have to go right... classic example last night.. carmleo goes down had it been a knee, then what? you are trying to tell me that 16k points is going to be a sure thing... dude, he will be way past his prime trying to average 25+ppg in order to get into the top 5... that is not a given and no realistic...

tkf, go back to the drawing board.You were banned from realgm for being a troll. And this is what you are.ACCEPT YOUR DESTINY LUKE LOL

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

Bernard King only had a career average of 22.5 points per game when compared 24.7 from Melo. King played 206 as games as a Knick and averaged 26.4 points per game as Knick.

But yet, Bernard King made Melo's scoring "look like Ronnie Brewer" ala a career 8.8 points per game type of average offensive play.

you try to sneak in king's career avg... really? are you going to mention in his career avg was the year in utah in which he avg. 9ppg only playing 9 games.. or the year in NY after he came back off that devesating injury, and played 6 games?

He actually played 19 games but yea, I'll take away both seasons (just to make you happy) in regards A.) 1979-1980 where he only played 19 games and B.) 1986-1987 in which he only played 6 games...

And Bernard King still only averaged 22.7 points per game during his career.

Carmelo Anthony on the other hand? 24.7 points per game thus far throughout his career.

Also, you're putting alot of stock into King having a shooting percentage in which is better than Melo. It's a difference of 0.061%.

But unfortunately, shooting percentage doesn't show who's the greater scorer. Melo has the better career average (per game).

Tyson Chandler has a career FG% of .583%. Patrick Ewing only had a career .504%.

So, are you stating that Tyson Chandler is a better scorer than Ewing? That's pretty much what you're saying...

But yea, since you put stock into 0.061 of a difference in regards to shooting percentage despite the fact Melo has a better career average in regards to points per game, how about I put more stock into points, blocks, steals, rebounds, turnovers, 3 PT percentage, free throw percentage and personal fouls in order to determine the better overall player?

Melo: 24.7 points, .806 FT%, .331 3PT%, 6.3 boards, 0.5 blocks, 1.1 steals, 3.0 personal fouls, .806 FT%, .331 3PT%

King: 22.5 points, .730 FT%, .172 3PT%, 5.8 boards, 0.3 blocks, 1.0 steals, 3.3 personal fouls, .730 FT%, .172 3PT%

And now it's more than obvious who the better overall basketball player was. And it wasn't King either. Also, if defenses were allowed to "beat you up" back then, why is it that Melo averaged more steals, rebounds and blocks per game when compared to King? Damn, it looks like Melo was also the better defensive talent/player. I wonder how many steals, blocks and boards Melo would've gotten if he were allowed to "beat people up"?

oh yea, this information makes it all clear.. although we were talking about who was the better scorer for the knicks.. although carmelo never cracked 30ppg for the knicks and never shot near 50% for the knicks, this evidence of yours makes it all clear.. Now I see the light!!!!! I see it!!!

cooch2584 wrote:

tkf wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:I am going to help you out here, and you can scream troll all you want... the wolf crying is over..

Nah, I'll just state that you don't know and/or understand math to well...

tkf wrote:in order for carmelo to finish top 5 all time in scoring, he has to at least get to where kobe is.. Kobe is #5 at 30K, so assuming that he passes wilt, that will push wilt to #5 at 31k..

carmelo is at 16k, it took him 10 seasons to get there...

This is where you're wrong. On two accounts. A.) He's currently at 16,483 points (nice job trying to erase over 450 points) and B.) It hasn't taken him 10 seasons to get here. He's yet to complete his 10th season and lets not forget, last year was a shortened season. You're trying to put Carmelo at 16,000 after 10 seasons but when in reality he's at 16,483 points during his 10th NBA season with another 60 games remaining before you can state that he's completed 10 NBA seasons.

During his 10th NBA season he's currently averaging 27.9 points per game (here in 2012-2013). If Melo keeps up his rate of 27.9 points per game during our next 60 games? That'll be another 1,674 points. Add a potential 1,674 points to his already 16,483 points and that would put Melo at 18,157 points heading into his 11th NBA season ala after his 10th year. Not "16,000". Nice job trying to shave off over 2,000 points.

Let's not forget, if not for a shortened season last year, Melo would have more total points as of today.

tkf wrote:he is avg about 1800pts per year, to get to 30k he will need to do that for the next 8 years, do you really think that is going to happen? carmelo is 28, do you think he is going to do that for 8 years until he is 36, counting in aging, declining game, and injuries? really?

You are wrong on your math yet again. If he continues his current season average for the rest of the season, that'll put Melo at a total of 18,157 points after 10 NBA seasons. An average of 1,815.7 points per season. In order to reach Wilt's 31,419 career points Melo would (then) only need another 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt for 5th all-time.

So how you came up with Melo needing 1,800 points per year, for 8 years, in order to pass Wilt is beyond me. What's 1,800 times 8? The answer would be 14,400 points. Now add 14,400 points to Melo's potential 18,157 points (after this season) and you'll come up with 32,557. That passes Wilt by 1,138 points.

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

tkf wrote:like it or not, you are not being realistic or reasonable...can it happen? hey anything can happen, but you are making it out to be sure fire... I am sure many thought the same thing about T-mac, it just didn't happen... so before you go off with stating things as fact, and adding "like it or not".. maybe you need to step back, take a breath, take off the rose colored glasses and hold an adult debate.... that is how you debate... like it or not...

ok, feel free now to yell troll and baiting....

Trolling and baiting? Nah, this time it's just sounding very foolish and/or someone who has a lack of overall knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. You're using T-Mac as an example? Nice to know because the last time I checked McGrady played 15 NBA seasons and only put up 18,381 points. Carmelo could be at 18,157 after 10 seasons when T-Mac could only put up 18,381 after 15 NBA seasons. Now I'm using your own example on how great of a scorer Melo has always been. Want another example? McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career. Nice example though (being sarcastic). A matter of fact, Melo has only missed a total of 63 NBA games heading into this season. An average of only 7 games missed per season.

Nice try though.

I rounded on both ends, you see I used 31k and 16k, or are you going to tell me that wilt is exactly at 31k

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

you can nitpick the numbers.. 1800 or 1815.333.333.333.333 or whatever.. if he needs 13k after this season, and again you are assuming he keeps the same pace... that is 7.23 years to get 13k points.. he will be 36 years old.. do you really expect that?

McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

T-macs first 3 years in toronto were off the bench.. why not compare apples to apples.. and had his knees not betrayed him, he would have been on pace to move up the list quickly.. I am sure there was some big T-mac fan trying to extrapolate out his numbers and how he would become all time scorer until T-mac's knees said otherwise...

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career

I am just explaining to you how it is not a certainly, a lot of things have to go right... classic example last night.. carmleo goes down had it been a knee, then what? you are trying to tell me that 16k points is going to be a sure thing... dude, he will be way past his prime trying to average 25+ppg in order to get into the top 5... that is not a given and no realistic...

tkf, go back to the drawing board.You were banned from realgm for being a troll. And this is what you are.ACCEPT YOUR DESTINY LUKE LOL

you know not of what you speak.. banned? LOL. I left..

you are not built for this cooch...

seriously.. maybe some more time off will help..

Yea you left,RIGHT lol

cooch try debating..

refute my points with facts

bring something to the conversation

if name calling and talking about realgm is what you want..

I don't want to bother

what does this accomplish?

or is this all you have?

tkf wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

tkf wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:I am going to help you out here, and you can scream troll all you want... the wolf crying is over..

Nah, I'll just state that you don't know and/or understand math to well...

tkf wrote:in order for carmelo to finish top 5 all time in scoring, he has to at least get to where kobe is.. Kobe is #5 at 30K, so assuming that he passes wilt, that will push wilt to #5 at 31k..

carmelo is at 16k, it took him 10 seasons to get there...

This is where you're wrong. On two accounts. A.) He's currently at 16,483 points (nice job trying to erase over 450 points) and B.) It hasn't taken him 10 seasons to get here. He's yet to complete his 10th season and lets not forget, last year was a shortened season. You're trying to put Carmelo at 16,000 after 10 seasons but when in reality he's at 16,483 points during his 10th NBA season with another 60 games remaining before you can state that he's completed 10 NBA seasons.

During his 10th NBA season he's currently averaging 27.9 points per game (here in 2012-2013). If Melo keeps up his rate of 27.9 points per game during our next 60 games? That'll be another 1,674 points. Add a potential 1,674 points to his already 16,483 points and that would put Melo at 18,157 points heading into his 11th NBA season ala after his 10th year. Not "16,000". Nice job trying to shave off over 2,000 points.

Let's not forget, if not for a shortened season last year, Melo would have more total points as of today.

tkf wrote:he is avg about 1800pts per year, to get to 30k he will need to do that for the next 8 years, do you really think that is going to happen? carmelo is 28, do you think he is going to do that for 8 years until he is 36, counting in aging, declining game, and injuries? really?

You are wrong on your math yet again. If he continues his current season average for the rest of the season, that'll put Melo at a total of 18,157 points after 10 NBA seasons. An average of 1,815.7 points per season. In order to reach Wilt's 31,419 career points Melo would (then) only need another 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt for 5th all-time.

So how you came up with Melo needing 1,800 points per year, for 8 years, in order to pass Wilt is beyond me. What's 1,800 times 8? The answer would be 14,400 points. Now add 14,400 points to Melo's potential 18,157 points (after this season) and you'll come up with 32,557. That passes Wilt by 1,138 points.

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

tkf wrote:like it or not, you are not being realistic or reasonable...can it happen? hey anything can happen, but you are making it out to be sure fire... I am sure many thought the same thing about T-mac, it just didn't happen... so before you go off with stating things as fact, and adding "like it or not".. maybe you need to step back, take a breath, take off the rose colored glasses and hold an adult debate.... that is how you debate... like it or not...

ok, feel free now to yell troll and baiting....

Trolling and baiting? Nah, this time it's just sounding very foolish and/or someone who has a lack of overall knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. You're using T-Mac as an example? Nice to know because the last time I checked McGrady played 15 NBA seasons and only put up 18,381 points. Carmelo could be at 18,157 after 10 seasons when T-Mac could only put up 18,381 after 15 NBA seasons. Now I'm using your own example on how great of a scorer Melo has always been. Want another example? McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career. Nice example though (being sarcastic). A matter of fact, Melo has only missed a total of 63 NBA games heading into this season. An average of only 7 games missed per season.

Nice try though.

I rounded on both ends, you see I used 31k and 16k, or are you going to tell me that wilt is exactly at 31k

If Melo's at 18,157 points after this season, he'll then need 13,262 points in order to tie Wilt. Like it or not, but as of right now; Melo's on pace to finish top 5 all-time (as long as he's able to stay healthy). Kobe is currently in his 17th NBA season and averaging 29.3 points per game this season after averaging 27.9 last year and 25.3 points per game the year before.

you can nitpick the numbers.. 1800 or 1815.333.333.333.333 or whatever.. if he needs 13k after this season, and again you are assuming he keeps the same pace... that is 7.23 years to get 13k points.. he will be 36 years old.. do you really expect that?

McGrady was only at 15,317 points after his 10th NBA season.

T-macs first 3 years in toronto were off the bench.. why not compare apples to apples.. and had his knees not betrayed him, he would have been on pace to move up the list quickly.. I am sure there was some big T-mac fan trying to extrapolate out his numbers and how he would become all time scorer until T-mac's knees said otherwise...

And please, lets not use T.Mac as an example of "how" and/or "why" Melo will get hurt from here on out despite the fact that Melo himself has never missed anything more than 17 games during a single season. T-Mac was injured his entire career

I am just explaining to you how it is not a certainly, a lot of things have to go right... classic example last night.. carmleo goes down had it been a knee, then what? you are trying to tell me that 16k points is going to be a sure thing... dude, he will be way past his prime trying to average 25+ppg in order to get into the top 5... that is not a given and no realistic...

tkf, go back to the drawing board.You were banned from realgm for being a troll. And this is what you are.ACCEPT YOUR DESTINY LUKE LOL

you know not of what you speak.. banned? LOL. I left..

you are not built for this cooch...

seriously.. maybe some more time off will help..

Yea you left,RIGHT lol

cooch try debating..

refute my points with facts

bring something to the conversation

if name calling and talking about realgm is what you want..

I don't want to bother

what does this accomplish?

or is this all you have?

tkf,anyone can twist stats the way you do. I just happen to have a life and right now my life is enjoying Knicks games and looking forward to us winning The Chip. You live in your stat filled bubble and comment on everything that was done wrong in getting Melo. I see the glass as half full and you see it as half empty. I wont be commenting with you anymore.

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

Bernard King only had a career average of 22.5 points per game when compared 24.7 from Melo. King played 206 as games as a Knick and averaged 26.4 points per game as Knick.

But yet, Bernard King made Melo's scoring "look like Ronnie Brewer" ala a career 8.8 points per game type of average offensive play.

you try to sneak in king's career avg... really? are you going to mention in his career avg was the year in utah in which he avg. 9ppg only playing 9 games.. or the year in NY after he came back off that devesating injury, and played 6 games?

He actually played 19 games but yea, I'll take away both seasons (just to make you happy) in regards A.) 1979-1980 where he only played 19 games and B.) 1986-1987 in which he only played 6 games...

And Bernard King still only averaged 22.7 points per game during his career.

Carmelo Anthony on the other hand? 24.7 points per game thus far throughout his career.

Also, you're putting alot of stock into King having a shooting percentage in which is better than Melo. It's a difference of 0.061%.

But unfortunately, shooting percentage doesn't show who's the greater scorer. Melo has the better career average (per game).

Tyson Chandler has a career FG% of .583%. Patrick Ewing only had a career .504%.

So, are you stating that Tyson Chandler is a better scorer than Ewing? That's pretty much what you're saying...

But yea, since you put stock into 0.061 of a difference in regards to shooting percentage despite the fact Melo has a better career average in regards to points per game, how about I put more stock into points, blocks, steals, rebounds, turnovers, 3 PT percentage, free throw percentage and personal fouls in order to determine the better overall player?

Melo: 24.7 points per game, .806 FT%, .331 3PT%, 6.3 boards, 0.5 blocks, 1.1 steals, 3.0 personal fouls, .806 FT%, .331 3PT%

King: 22.5 points per game, .730 FT%, .172 3PT%, 5.8 boards, 0.3 blocks, 1.0 steals, 3.3 personal fouls, .730 FT%, .172 3PT%

And now it's more than obvious who the better overall basketball player was. And it wasn't King either. Also, if defenses were allowed to "beat you up" back then, why is it that Melo averaged more steals, rebounds and blocks per game when compared to King? Damn, it looks like Melo was also the better defensive talent/player. I wonder how many steals, blocks and boards Melo would've gotten if he were allowed to "beat people up"?

oh yea, this information makes it all clear.. although we were talking about who was the better scorer for the knicks.. although carmelo never cracked 30ppg for the knicks and never shot near 50% for the knicks, this evidence of yours makes it all clear.. Now I see the light!!!!! I see it!!!

Melo was a better overall/all around scorer. Doesn't points per game, free throws and 3 point ability also count as scoring ability?

Melo: 24.7 points, .806 FT%, .806 FT%, .331 3PT%.
King: 22.5 points, .730 FT%, .730 FT%, .172 3PT%.

Melo has King beat in A.) Points per game. B.) Free Throw percentage and C.) 3 Point Percentage.

Melo: 6.3 boards, 0.5 blocks, 1.1 steals, 3.0 personal fouls.
King: 5.8 boards, 0.3 blocks, 1.0 steals, 3.3 personal fouls.

Goes to show that Melo was (is) a better all around player.

Also, since you put 'oh so much stock' into shooting percentage, would you also agree that Melo's a better scorer when compared to Kobe Bryant? Because lets fact it, Melo has the better career field goal percentage.

Last but not least TKF, I never had a chance to ask you... But what did you think of Melo's performance last night and did you ever see King put up 22 points during a single quarter?

Melo put up yet another MVP type of performance against Kobe Bryant and the Lakers last night. There's a reason why Bryant consideres Melo to be the toughest cover in the game today. Kobe stated that Melo's size, speed, shooting range, ability to drive to the rim and score in the post makes him one of the most lethal offensive weapons in the NBA. I'll talke what an all-time great such as Kobe has to say over a negative Melo critic such as yourself. Melo responds by dropping 30 points off 10/15 shooting, 3 boards, 0 turnovers and 1 steal during only 23 minutes of play. Melo's first quarter eruption was nothing short of pure (scoring) greatness. 22 points off 8/9 shooting during the first quarter. How great was Melo's first quarter performance? Lets put it this way, he only finished two shy of the franchise record for most points during a sinlge quarter; held by both Allan Houston and Willis Reed. Nothing short of being a pure scoring phenom is what Melo truthfully is.

THIS IS dishonest post in that A) the question was , who is the better scorer as a knick... You keep dragging in kings' career numbers which includes a major knee blowout, bouts with acholism... etc..

Also, since you put 'oh so much stock' into shooting percentage, would you also agree that Melo's a better scorer when compared to Kobe Bryant? Because lets fact it, Melo has the better career field goal percentage.

percentage is a huge part of it.. but the fact remains, they are very close and kobe scores more points.. so no carmelo is not a better scorer... kobe avg 30ppg 3 times.. carmelo never..

lets stick to the facts. ok...

in 3 full seasons with the knicks king averaged 21.9/ 26.3/32.9 that is an avg of 27ppg he shot an avg of 54%, those are the facts...

he was the best scorer the knicks have ever had.... till this date.. period..

btw: check this link out.. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01/gamelog/1985/

take a look at the scoring, 30-39 points he scored 20 times/ 40-49 10 times/ and 50+ 3 times

Last but not least TKF, I never had a chance to ask you... But what did you think of Melo's performance last night and did you ever see King put up 22 points during a single quarter?

it was a nice scoring burst, I have seen him do that before.. no surprise... he along with george gervin scored 33 pts in a qtr.. nba record.... so I don't understand the quetion...

king didn't have to do that... but let me ask you this.. when was the last time carmelo went back to back with 50 point games, and when has he ever scored 60? when has he ever averaged 30ppg in a season... when has he ever shot 50% from the field.... really I don't understand this conversation? why the attempt to make me see him in such a great light? is it that important?

You can get back to me on that one..

actually I am done, I rather talk about jason kidd and amare's return...