misterearl wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You nailed it. Difference between forcing shots and shots in the flow of the offense

So, lets be clear, an open three by Jason Kidd is not a forced shot ... But a tear drop by Ray Felton from 10 feet in is?

Just checking.

Yes, because Ray is the point guard. Its his job to get everyone involved. If you're the point guard and missing your shots, and keep calling your own number and keep shooting when you're missing, that's hogging the ball, and you're not doing your job. Jason Kidd is playing SHOOTING guard.

misterearl wrote:Panos - would 25 and 10 make you happy?

Jason Kidd makes two shots and Felton has that with ease.

Numbers are not the point.
You keep telling people to watch the games. Are you watching? I hope you'd see what I mean if you did.

Panos wrote:Numbers are not the point.
You keep telling people to watch the games. Are you watching? I hope you'd see what I mean if you did.

"They should give (Lin) a standing ovation when he comes back here, without a doubt." - Raymond Felton

Panos - would 25 and 10 make you happy?

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You nailed it. Difference between forcing shots and shots in the flow of the offense

So, lets be clear, an open three by Jason Kidd is not a forced shot ... But a tear drop by Ray Felton from 10 feet in is?

Just checking.

Yes, because Ray is the point guard. Its his job to get everyone involved. If you're the point guard and missing your shots, and keep calling your own number and keep shooting when you're missing, that's hogging the ball, and you're not doing your job. Jason Kidd is playing SHOOTING guard.

the statistics do not back up the claim that felton is the actual point guard. and of course the eyes tell the same story. felton is a tweener or a hybrid guard. the key trait is that he is incapable of orchestrating.

his usage rate relative to his assist rate is closer to that of a shooting guard. 0.77:1

kidd's ratio is appreciably closer to point guard range. 0.59:1. and his 69%TS is a big deal.

chris paul is 0.50:1
rondo is 0.36:1
holiday is 0.63:1
lin also is 0.63:1
curry is 0.85:1
ellis is 1.05:1
jennings 0.87:1

NUPE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You nailed it. Difference between forcing shots and shots in the flow of the offense

So, lets be clear, an open three by Jason Kidd is not a forced shot ... But a tear drop by Ray Felton from 10 feet in is?

Just checking.

Yes, because Ray is the point guard. Its his job to get everyone involved. If you're the point guard and missing your shots, and keep calling your own number and keep shooting when you're missing, that's hogging the ball, and you're not doing your job. Jason Kidd is playing SHOOTING guard.

the statistics do not back up the claim that felton is the actual point guard. and of course the eyes tell the same story. felton is a tweener or a hybrid guard. the key trait is that he is incapable of orchestrating.

his usage rate relative to his assist rate is closer to that of a shooting guard. 0.77:1

kidd's ratio is appreciably closer to point guard range. 0.59:1. and his 69%TS is a big deal.

chris paul is 0.50:1
rondo is 0.36:1
holiday is 0.63:1
lin also is 0.63:1
curry is 0.85:1
ellis is 1.05:1
jennings 0.87:1

I don't think most people care about this. LoL! Felton has low to, has shot well from three, puts up a good amount of assists and plays d. That is all I care about.

i believe the ratio for backcourt players really points to how well the player contributes to offensive cohesion if not the ability to orchestrate. it may sound strange but the number of assists a player racks up individually might be a bit misleading vis a vis orchestrating, especially when the assist average falls in the 5.0-7.5 range.

another key is the TS%

felton is woefully bad here with 47.9

chris paul is elite with 58.6
rondo is merely 54.0-- for a guy with no 3-pt range this is great, plus he is an elite defender and has the lowest ratio among those listed
holiday 51.3
j lin 48.7 while harden is at 58 and has the ratio of 1.17:1. this is a compelling chemistry issue for the rockets.
curry 55.7% needs to get better as he has been closer to a between 57 to an elite 60% in prior seasons
ellis 48% is a fool's gold player
jennings also 48% the bucks are going absolutely nowhere with those two

NUPE wrote:Felton has played well. I don't have a problem with him taking shots so long as they are good shots. The mass majority of Felton's shots have been good shots. Case closed.

The reality is some are just being hyper-critical of Felton because their hearts are still broken over Jeremy Lin and they spent all off-season trying to convince the world Felton sucks. These people will continue down this path, in hopes of being right eventually, despite the fact that Felton has and continues to play well.

Who the f$@& said anything about J Lin? Why do you have to make a conspiracy out of a constructive criticism that would make Ray and our team even stronger than what thry've already shown.

Stick to the topic. Don't be a muckraker.

NUPE wrote:Felton has played well. I don't have a problem with him taking shots so long as they are good shots. The mass majority of Felton's shots have been good shots. Case closed.

The reality is some are just being hyper-critical of Felton because their hearts are still broken over Jeremy Lin and they spent all off-season trying to convince the world Felton sucks. These people will continue down this path, in hopes of being right eventually, despite the fact that Felton has and continues to play well.

case closed? i don't know about that. the point is that he doesn't take good shots. a whole lot of posters see this so your opinion is a minority opinion. doesn't make you wrong. my opinions are often minority opinions. doesn't make me wrong either. but just because he can't orchestrate properly does not warrant him having the license to shoot as much as he does. i have heard some say that defenses are sagging off of him and daring him to shoot-- does that mean he should?