3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.

Teams do trade for and sign superstars, you know? If we'd been building right from the start, there's no reason why we wouldn't have been able to pull off any trades or signings to get at least one of Dwight, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Paul.

and to continue the list and/or

Deron/Harden/Bynum/Josh Smith/Iggy/K-Mart/Bogut/Mayo/Beasley/Lowry/Johnson/Pau/Jefferson/Milsap

All of these guys were gettable or will be gettable in the very immediate future. I'm not saying all of these players would have been an attractive option but nevertheless look at all the potential combination of players.

None of those players you just listed give us a better chance to win a championship over Melo. That's just ridiculous. Some of those names are even borderline insulting to say in the same breath as Melo. Beasley, K-Mart, Iggy??? wow. Pass what you smoking.

Via trade and/or cap space option it wouldn't be a 1 to 1 comparison. It would be a combination comparison to Melo such as....

Josh Smith and Mayo>>>>>>>>>Melo

Harden and Lowry>>>>>>>Melo

Bynum and Beasley>>>>>>>Melo

Iggy and Bogut>>>>>>>Melo

Not to mention whatever else is acquired or made available post transactions

If that's the case then you have to do that on Melo's end too. so isn't Melo & Chandler since the Melo trade included Billups which turned into chandler.

Melo and Chandler >>>> Josh Smith/Mayo
Melo and Chandler >>> Harden/Lowry
Melo and Chandler >>Bynum/Beasley
Melo and Chandler >>> Iggy/Bogut

Even if you argue that anyone of those combinations are better then Melo and Chandler it's not by enough to even warrant any backlash.

Only in one of your comparisons does it come close in a 2 for 2 comparison and even then there's financial flexibility left over in the very last

You don't want me to break down salary for the pairs I have listed. Really you don't. Either understand the full scope of basketball and structuring a team together or don't

LOL are you a undercover NBA GM or something. you a couch fan just like me. Don't insult my intelligence. At the end of the day it's all opinions. In my opinion I wouldn't be happy with any of those other combinations you listed. You started the comparisons not me. When I pointed out the flaw in your initial 2 to 1 comparison you want to break down salaries now.

I'm a fan I don't care what they spend as long as the product is good on the floor. and right now it's a good product. Let the owners worry about salaries.

You want to tell me after all the salary dumping and awful seasons we had to endure if we had a final product of Iggy & Bogut that would be a success?? Josh Smith & Mayo?? Bynum & BEASLEY?? BEASLEY??? come on man. don't preach to me about understanding the full scope of structuring a team when you actually would type out the name Beasley.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.

Teams do trade for and sign superstars, you know? If we'd been building right from the start, there's no reason why we wouldn't have been able to pull off any trades or signings to get at least one of Dwight, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Paul.

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.

Teams do trade for and sign superstars, you know? If we'd been building right from the start, there's no reason why we wouldn't have been able to pull off any trades or signings to get at least one of Dwight, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Paul.

and to continue the list and/or

Deron/Harden/Bynum/Josh Smith/Iggy/K-Mart/Bogut/Mayo/Beasley/Lowry/Johnson/Pau/Jefferson/Milsap

All of these guys were gettable or will be gettable in the very immediate future. I'm not saying all of these players would have been an attractive option but nevertheless look at all the potential combination of players.

None of those players you just listed give us a better chance to win a championship over Melo. That's just ridiculous. Some of those names are even borderline insulting to say in the same breath as Melo. Beasley, K-Mart, Iggy??? wow. Pass what you smoking.

Via trade and/or cap space option it wouldn't be a 1 to 1 comparison. It would be a combination comparison to Melo such as....

Josh Smith and Mayo>>>>>>>>>Melo

Harden and Lowry>>>>>>>Melo

Bynum and Beasley>>>>>>>Melo

Iggy and Bogut>>>>>>>Melo

Not to mention whatever else is acquired or made available post transactions

If that's the case then you have to do that on Melo's end too. so isn't Melo & Chandler since the Melo trade included Billups which turned into chandler.

Melo and Chandler >>>> Josh Smith/Mayo
Melo and Chandler >>> Harden/Lowry
Melo and Chandler >>Bynum/Beasley
Melo and Chandler >>> Iggy/Bogut

Even if you argue that anyone of those combinations are better then Melo and Chandler it's not by enough to even warrant any backlash.

Only in one of your comparisons does it come close in a 2 for 2 comparison and even then there's financial flexibility left over in the very last

You don't want me to break down salary for the pairs I have listed. Really you don't. Either understand the full scope of basketball and structuring a team together or don't

LOL are you a undercover NBA GM or something. you a couch fan just like me. Don't insult my intelligence. At the end of the day it's all opinions. In my opinion I wouldn't be happy with any of those other combinations you listed. You started the comparisons not me. When I pointed out the flaw in your initial 2 to 1 comparison you want to break down salaries now.

I'm a fan I don't care what they spend as long as the product is good on the floor. and right now it's a good product. Let the owners worry about salaries.

You want to tell me after all the salary dumping and awful seasons we had to endure if we had a final product of Iggy & Bogut that would be a success?? Josh Smith & Mayo?? Bynum & BEASLEY?? BEASLEY??? come on man. don't preach to me about understanding the full scope of structuring a team when you actually would type out the name Beasley.

My argument has been consistent centered around flexibility....financial flexibility is part of it. Sorry you can't grasp this.

Its funny because you talk about fables and fairy tales and suggest that a gm shouldn't pursue a star because other stars might become available. The Melo trade turned into Melo and Tyson. Amare did break down and doctors have said 5 years for micro fracture surgery so maybe he doesn't injure his back while D'Ant is riding him like Secretariat but his knee had a time line and it did give out. Gallo is a china doll. He is prepetually injured. He also isn't as good as most of his young teammates. Gm's and coaches are supposed to win especially in a big market like NY. Passing up stars in hopes that an up and comer or under achiever will sign for less is fine for fans to speculate about but doesn't translate well if you are supposed to be doing a job. Jackie Paper stopped believing in Puff. Maybe, maybe there is more to this gm game then you are seeing.

VCoug wrote:You know guys are going off the deep end with Melo when they're offering up names like Joe Johnson, Michael Beasley, or Kevin Martin as players we should have gone after instead.

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.

Teams do trade for and sign superstars, you know? If we'd been building right from the start, there's no reason why we wouldn't have been able to pull off any trades or signings to get at least one of Dwight, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Paul.

and to continue the list and/or

Deron/Harden/Bynum/Josh Smith/Iggy/K-Mart/Bogut/Mayo/Beasley/Lowry/Johnson/Pau/Jefferson/Milsap

All of these guys were gettable or will be gettable in the very immediate future. I'm not saying all of these players would have been an attractive option but nevertheless look at all the potential combination of players.

None of those players you just listed give us a better chance to win a championship over Melo. That's just ridiculous. Some of those names are even borderline insulting to say in the same breath as Melo. Beasley, K-Mart, Iggy??? wow. Pass what you smoking.

Via trade and/or cap space option it wouldn't be a 1 to 1 comparison. It would be a combination comparison to Melo such as....

Josh Smith and Mayo>>>>>>>>>Melo

Harden and Lowry>>>>>>>Melo

Bynum and Beasley>>>>>>>Melo

Iggy and Bogut>>>>>>>Melo

Not to mention whatever else is acquired or made available post transactions

If that's the case then you have to do that on Melo's end too. so isn't Melo & Chandler since the Melo trade included Billups which turned into chandler.

Melo and Chandler >>>> Josh Smith/Mayo
Melo and Chandler >>> Harden/Lowry
Melo and Chandler >>Bynum/Beasley
Melo and Chandler >>> Iggy/Bogut

Even if you argue that anyone of those combinations are better then Melo and Chandler it's not by enough to even warrant any backlash.

Only in one of your comparisons does it come close in a 2 for 2 comparison and even then there's financial flexibility left over in the very last

You don't want me to break down salary for the pairs I have listed. Really you don't. Either understand the full scope of basketball and structuring a team together or don't

LOL are you a undercover NBA GM or something. you a couch fan just like me. Don't insult my intelligence. At the end of the day it's all opinions. In my opinion I wouldn't be happy with any of those other combinations you listed. You started the comparisons not me. When I pointed out the flaw in your initial 2 to 1 comparison you want to break down salaries now.

I'm a fan I don't care what they spend as long as the product is good on the floor. and right now it's a good product. Let the owners worry about salaries.

You want to tell me after all the salary dumping and awful seasons we had to endure if we had a final product of Iggy & Bogut that would be a success?? Josh Smith & Mayo?? Bynum & BEASLEY?? BEASLEY??? come on man. don't preach to me about understanding the full scope of structuring a team when you actually would type out the name Beasley.

My argument has been consistent centered around flexibility....financial flexibility is part of it. Sorry you can't grasp this.

Its funny because you talk about fables and fairy tales and suggest that a gm shouldn't pursue a star because other stars might become available. The Melo trade turned into Melo and Tyson. Amare did break down and doctors have said 5 years for micro fracture surgery so maybe he doesn't injure his back while D'Ant is riding him like Secretariat but his knee had a time line and it did give out. Gallo is a china doll. He is prepetually injured. He also isn't as good as most of his young teammates. Gm's and coaches are supposed to win especially in a big market like NY. Passing up stars in hopes that an up and comer or under achiever will sign for less is fine for fans to speculate about but doesn't translate well if you are supposed to be doing a job. Jackie Paper stopped believing in Puff. Maybe, maybe there is more to this gm game then you are seeing.

the point is who you pursue.. Knicks had no business going after carmelo.. not at that cost.. that is the problem.. You see him as a star, some of us don't, hence the reason for these types of arguments...no matter how much you try to down guys like gallo, it only weakens your argument.. It is a complete fail to try to justify a move by needlessly and unjustifiably trying to down another player...

The Job of a GM in any market, large or small is to make the best move for his team, in every area, and that includes financial, and protecting the teams assets...

here is the flaw in your argument..

He is prepetually injured. He also isn't as good as most of his young teammates.

and carmelo isn't as good as most of the other max players in the league....

see how easy that is...

the key is, it cost us nothing keeping gallo.. it cost us a lot acquiring carmelo..

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:

1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.

There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.

This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.

Teams do trade for and sign superstars, you know? If we'd been building right from the start, there's no reason why we wouldn't have been able to pull off any trades or signings to get at least one of Dwight, Lebron, Wade, Howard, or Paul.

and to continue the list and/or

Deron/Harden/Bynum/Josh Smith/Iggy/K-Mart/Bogut/Mayo/Beasley/Lowry/Johnson/Pau/Jefferson/Milsap

All of these guys were gettable or will be gettable in the very immediate future. I'm not saying all of these players would have been an attractive option but nevertheless look at all the potential combination of players.

None of those players you just listed give us a better chance to win a championship over Melo. That's just ridiculous. Some of those names are even borderline insulting to say in the same breath as Melo. Beasley, K-Mart, Iggy??? wow. Pass what you smoking.

Via trade and/or cap space option it wouldn't be a 1 to 1 comparison. It would be a combination comparison to Melo such as....

Josh Smith and Mayo>>>>>>>>>Melo

Harden and Lowry>>>>>>>Melo

Bynum and Beasley>>>>>>>Melo

Iggy and Bogut>>>>>>>Melo

Not to mention whatever else is acquired or made available post transactions

If that's the case then you have to do that on Melo's end too. so isn't Melo & Chandler since the Melo trade included Billups which turned into chandler.

Melo and Chandler >>>> Josh Smith/Mayo
Melo and Chandler >>> Harden/Lowry
Melo and Chandler >>Bynum/Beasley
Melo and Chandler >>> Iggy/Bogut

Even if you argue that anyone of those combinations are better then Melo and Chandler it's not by enough to even warrant any backlash.

Only in one of your comparisons does it come close in a 2 for 2 comparison and even then there's financial flexibility left over in the very last

You don't want me to break down salary for the pairs I have listed. Really you don't. Either understand the full scope of basketball and structuring a team together or don't

LOL are you a undercover NBA GM or something. you a couch fan just like me. Don't insult my intelligence. At the end of the day it's all opinions. In my opinion I wouldn't be happy with any of those other combinations you listed. You started the comparisons not me. When I pointed out the flaw in your initial 2 to 1 comparison you want to break down salaries now.

I'm a fan I don't care what they spend as long as the product is good on the floor. and right now it's a good product. Let the owners worry about salaries.

You want to tell me after all the salary dumping and awful seasons we had to endure if we had a final product of Iggy & Bogut that would be a success?? Josh Smith & Mayo?? Bynum & BEASLEY?? BEASLEY??? come on man. don't preach to me about understanding the full scope of structuring a team when you actually would type out the name Beasley.

My argument has been consistent centered around flexibility....financial flexibility is part of it. Sorry you can't grasp this.

they don't want to grasp it... they can clown beasley all they want, and you know I am not a beasley fan, but he will fill a need, he can score the ball as well as anyone when given shots.. pretty much similar to the donkey we have now.. the key would be adding bynum, who IMO is going to be the best center in the east hands down, no question about it... for me, having a scoring SF on the team is the least important thing for me, the league is full of scorers, give me a great centerpiece, a great foundation piece and I will be fine...

the problem is 3g is that people here see carmelo on a higher level, sad enough reality just hasn't set in, they feel he is worth sacrificing flexibility.... that in itself is absurd....

"How many fans would trade Camby, 7th pick for Dice?"

Or, the Marbury deal?

Or, Komives/Bellamy for Debuschure?

To make such a pronounced question when our record 4-0 is starphuchish Homerative behavior.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

3G4G wrote:
My argument has been consistent centered around flexibility....financial flexibility is part of it. Sorry you can't grasp this.

Your argument is absurd and is only becoming more ridiculous with each passing week.

Gallo has sucked. Wilson Chandler has been a non-factor. Mozgov is irrelevant. Lin is presently sucking. Melo has out-performed all of the aforesaid players EASILY! Further, the Knicks are looking great right now and substantially improved across the board since getting rid of the aforementioned ex-knicks. There is no basis for your complaints. NONE.

sucked? rofl.. dude, look at it this way.. how were these guys with the KNICKS.. that is the key, they all played good for the knicks.... it is like trading a player who was horrible here and he goes somewhere else and becomes a superstar.. that doesn't matter, if he wasn't good here.. all of these guys were very good players HERE!!!

Dude, stop laughing and let's recap your argument slowly, shall we?

1) We cannot judge the players traded away for Melo on their subsequent performance with another team. This is KEY.
2) We can judge Melo against comparisons to max-contract players across the league
3) Based on this logic, we would need to judge Melo only on how he has performed with the KNICKS.
4) The players traded away were either classified as "played good" or were "very good players" when with the KNICKS.

Now, lets look at the facts:
A) Gallo was hurt/fragile when with the KNICKS, missing the better parts of an entire season actually. Not necessarily his fault, but obviously a necessary trait for a "very good player" is that they PLAY.
B) Threads and posts abound about the Mayor's inconisistencies while here. Again, consistency is usually a trait necessary for a "very good player".
C) Moz was a project while here, at best. Projects with a few good games are not normally considered "very good players".
D) A painfully pragmatic part of this equation that can be included due to your statement #1 above, is that with your "very good players" the KNICKS went to the playoffs exactly how many times? With Melo the KNICKS have gone to the playoffs how many times?

So you are either stuck looking at the actual present value of the assets traded away (which you obviously don't want to do), or making up dreams about what they could have become if they were still with the KNICKS.

Neither choice has much upside.

I love pointless arguments. It's what makes the internet so darn endearing.

It's crazy when the best player we traded is back with the team at a discount rate. The argument about who won the trade should of stopped there.

Knixkik wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

3G4G wrote:
My argument has been consistent centered around flexibility....financial flexibility is part of it. Sorry you can't grasp this.

Your argument is absurd and is only becoming more ridiculous with each passing week.

Gallo has sucked. Wilson Chandler has been a non-factor. Mozgov is irrelevant. Lin is presently sucking. Melo has out-performed all of the aforesaid players EASILY! Further, the Knicks are looking great right now and substantially improved across the board since getting rid of the aforementioned ex-knicks. There is no basis for your complaints. NONE.

sucked? rofl.. dude, look at it this way.. how were these guys with the KNICKS.. that is the key, they all played good for the knicks.... it is like trading a player who was horrible here and he goes somewhere else and becomes a superstar.. that doesn't matter, if he wasn't good here.. all of these guys were very good players HERE!!!

Dude, stop laughing and let's recap your argument slowly, shall we?

1) We cannot judge the players traded away for Melo on their subsequent performance with another team. This is KEY.
2) We can judge Melo against comparisons to max-contract players across the league
3) Based on this logic, we would need to judge Melo only on how he has performed with the KNICKS.
4) The players traded away were either classified as "played good" or were "very good players" when with the KNICKS.

Now, lets look at the facts:
A) Gallo was hurt/fragile when with the KNICKS, missing the better parts of an entire season actually. Not necessarily his fault, but obviously a necessary trait for a "very good player" is that they PLAY.
B) Threads and posts abound about the Mayor's inconisistencies while here. Again, consistency is usually a trait necessary for a "very good player".
C) Moz was a project while here, at best. Projects with a few good games are not normally considered "very good players".
D) A painfully pragmatic part of this equation that can be included due to your statement #1 above, is that with your "very good players" the KNICKS went to the playoffs exactly how many times? With Melo the KNICKS have gone to the playoffs how many times?

So you are either stuck looking at the actual present value of the assets traded away (which you obviously don't want to do), or making up dreams about what they could have become if they were still with the KNICKS.

Neither choice has much upside.

I love pointless arguments. It's what makes the internet so darn endearing.

It's crazy when the best player we traded is back with the team at a discount rate. The argument about who won the trade should of stopped there.