muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

NALOD, do you write for a living.. seriously, I truly enjoy your stuff... you hit the nail on the head again..

A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

LOL.. somehow i was able to picture that clearly in my head... haha

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

We are paying Novak a 4 year $15 million deal as he lead the league in 3pt shooting. Miami game planned for him well and he didn't scor much but still shot 44% from the field and 57% from 3 land. Yeah he is a one trick pony...a one trick pony we need to knock down open shots from 3 land. I guess Felton is not going to be able to push the ball up the floor and get Novak open looks? Reality check......PG's do their best work in the open court....it doesn't make Lin special, just shows that he is a capable PG.

Lin may not be overpaid at $24 mil or $28 mil over 4 years but he signed for $25 mil over 3 years! Had the Rockets signed him to the verbal 4 year $25-$30 million deal the Knicks would have probably matched. Kyle Lowry got 4 years $24 million, after 8 season in the nba, of which the last 2 he's averaged 13 points and 6 assists. Lin is making more money after 25 starts and 14 & 8 so what's your point?

Felton can/will average 14 and 6 he was signed for $8 million less and for 4 years instead of 3 but we should have given Lin a 3 year $25 million deal for the same production?

The kid has flaws in his game. Not admitting it is pure Linsanity. Seriously, how many times have you seen Dragic, Lowry, Chalmers, Jennings and Felton get their pickets picked in the backcourt?! But hey screw it...Dolan has the money so pay the kid on par with elite players at his position even though he was roasted by good PG's.

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

We are paying Novak a 4 year $15 million deal as he lead the league in 3pt shooting. Miami game planned for him well and he didn't scor much but still shot 44% from the field and 57% from 3 land. Yeah he is a one trick pony...a one trick pony we need to knock down open shots from 3 land. I guess Felton is not going to be able to push the ball up the floor and get Novak open looks? Reality check......PG's do their best work in the open court....it doesn't make Lin special, just shows that he is a capable PG.

Lin may not be overpaid at $24 mil or $28 mil over 4 years but he signed for $25 mil over 3 years! Had the Rockets signed him to the verbal 4 year $25-$30 million deal the Knicks would have probably matched. Kyle Lowry got 4 years $24 million, after 8 season in the nba, of which the last 2 he's averaged 13 points and 6 assists. Lin is making more money after 25 starts and 14 & 8 so what's your point?

Felton can/will average 14 and 6 he was signed for $8 million less and for 4 years instead of 3 but we should have given Lin a 3 year $25 million deal for the same production?

The kid has flaws in his game. Not admitting it is pure Linsanity. S

eriously, how many times have you seen Dragic, Lowry, Chalmers, Jennings and Felton get their pickets picked in the backcourt?! But hey screw it...Dolan has the money so pay the kid on par with elite players at his position even though he was roasted by good PG's.

Had the Rockets signed him to the verbal 4 year $25-$30 million deal the Knicks would have probably matched

YOu may want to fix that sentence.

"eriously, how many times have you seen Dragic, Lowry, Chalmers, Jennings and Felton get their pickets picked in the backcourt?! But hey screw it...Dolan has the money so pay the kid on par with elite players at his position even though he was roasted by good PG's."

HOw many games of theirs do you watch? Turnovers are turnovers. Lin was basically a rookie and what he did with little experience showed great potential.

Linsanity was dead, but what do you have?

One more time, forget the poison pill. IT never should have come to that!

Knicks failed BECAUSE they left the door open for a poison pill. Not because they choose not to swallow it. That is very debatable and I see both arguments.

I contend failure was not letting it get to that point.

I thought Lin was turning the ball over less when Woodson took over and scaled back Lins game. Linsanity died when MDA left the building. What you had in its place was the potential to have a very good young PG who would be over paid based on circumstances that still had some nice upside to be the QB of this team for 6-7 years. Maybe not a superstar but a top 10 PG. And a player the fans loved.

A gift from God. Dolan had the Golden Child in his home. He could not draft such a player. He had the Knicks on the global stage for weeks. Made me proud to be a knick fan. Had the whole continent of Asia and some 2 billion people interested.
But the fat little shyt could see it. Pathetic failure.

Nalod wrote:
Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Classic rant. Thanks Nalod, just found my new sig.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Dude, you really got some serious issues. Reading this post, you are nothing more than an instigator, calling people "Homers" and "Apologists" etc. Most everyone here wanted to retain Lin and yet you call them names, because they offer their view about what might have transpired during the negotiations.....or they offer a rational discussion and analysis of how the new CBA Tax situation plays into this. You condemn Dolan for making bad financial decisions in the past, and also condemn him in this case for exhibiting fiscal restraint. That is called hypocracy. You label this a Fail, yet do not know for sure if this is a "fail" since no one knows yet how Lin will perform nor how the Knicks will perform without him.

Lin could become All NBA by Year 3 and play at a Rondo level..... that's what it would take to justify his contract. In that case it is a fail for the Knicks.

then again....

Lin's knee might not hold up to a season's worth of pounding and could become arthritic and degenerative.
Defensive schemes adjust to Lin and he does not adjust adequately and performs to a much lesser level than his 25 game audition.

In the latter case, I suspect you will not come back on here and post that you were a "fail" and Dolan and all the people you called "Homers" and "Apologists" were right. The reason I suspect this is that you are still holding onto Gallo, Moz and Chandler....who have done nothing of note since leaving the Knicks.....as a condemnation of Dolan and the Knicks organization.

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holfresh wrote:
Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

What a misconception!
First, Lin didn't fire his old agent. He added a new one to help with all the marketing and basketball.
Second, how can Lin and his agent upped the contract when Houston was the one who offered the contract? There was never a written contract in the first place, how can they up it?? I am sure you are smart enough to know that no written contract=no contract! Knicks FO clearly lost the chess game and now they made people like you believing they had all the reason to let Lin go and alleviate the pain by throwing Lin under the bus. Sour grape!

If Lin didn't sign that contract, whatever contract it may be, the only way Lin can play basketball is accept whatever lowball Knicks had to offer. Knicks went after Nash hard, went after Felton hard and offered him a contract but never show any good faith in offering anything to Lin but a bunch of empty promises through media.

No written contract, NADA, zilch! How can he play for the Knicks if no contract was offered?? Not to mention they warned all other teams to stay off Lin by promising, 'We will match anything up to a billion dollar.' And with perhaps of lowball Lin in mind when no team would offer him anything.

Ask yourself this: who really didnt want who?? Who was lowballing who?

Knicks fans are the ultimate Timex; they take a beating and keep on ticking! Prop to Dolan!

Part of the problem on this board is the facts doesn't always fit some posters narrative, so they ignore it...I will always contend if Lin wanted to be here he would be, period....In my eye, Lin isn't worth 25 mil over three...If I'm the GM, even without the poison pill, I'll let him walk at 8 mil per over 3 years...He hasn't proved he is worth that contract...It's funny that you guys think anything less is low balling a rookie with 35 NBA games under his belt...But I'm happy that as a club, the Knicks are now better equipped to compete with a team like the Heat than they would have been with Lin at the PG...I have always contended here, that Lin doesn't fit with Melo and Amare, he should come off the bench...The way he played since Amare and Melo came back from injury is that he didn't want to pass them the ball...To me, he was reading his own pin ups... The kid wants his own stage, now he has it, the show is all his in Houston...But some how Dolan is to blame because he didn't run behind Lin with a chest of money to woo him back to NY...Lin is not bigger than the NY Knickerbockers...He should have shown some appreciation for the team that picked him up when he was cut... He later admitted Linsanity got to his head...But really, I don't care about the small stuff and this is small stuff...Knicks need to find a way to beat the Heat in the coming years..For me, Lin wasn't a player who could answer that call...The parting of ways are in the best financial interest of both parites...I would argue it's in the best interest for the Knicks as well in basketball terms...Good Riddance!!!...