6-11 280 with 6-11 250

BRIGGS wrote:The Pistons are bringing back old school basketball by putting Drummond with Greg Monroe. Those are two big C-PF combos you dont see that much anymore.

6-11 280 with 6-11 250

+1 - add English and Middleton and that team could be a force in a few years.

crzymdups wrote:

RonRon wrote:We got a lefty, just not the lefty I wanted.

We have no backup PG
we might not have a SG or back up SG healthy
we have no stretch 4
we have no athletic forward
we have no legit shot blocking center

Super athletic my ass, Super athletic in Europe means average to under average athletic in the US

Add him to the list that won't come over, like I said the last 2 Euros that came to us

Gallo/MozGov, they played well for us and they went bye bye quick as can be...

uh, what year's roster are you looking at?

no legit shotblocking center? have you heard of tyson chandler.

no stretch 4? may i introduce you to steve novak.

might not have a SG or backup SG? JR Smith and Iman Shumpert (who, yes, will be out until january or february, not the end of the world, toney can play spot minutes and word is they are looking to sign a SG in FA)

no athletic forward? um. carmelo anthony and amar'e stoudemire.

no backup PG? okay, granted, but again that's what the MLE is for. we have the MLE and LLE to address guard depth.

I DO NOT WANT 1 DIMENSIONAL PLAYERS, to use with all of our rotations, we have to be able to switch it up.

I meant to say backup center that is a legit shot blocker, now name me another....

Steve Novak, stretch 4? really? just he is a great shooter, but he is a tweener, we put him in the 3/4 because that the closets he is. another 1 dimensional player,
A Stretch forward, can grab rebounds, play solid D, some sorta of a presence, he is not a stretch 4, he is a shooter, with no position.

UMMM, JR SMITH IS A UFA, there is no guarantee that he will resign for a 1year deal under his market value. Iman is out till Jan/Feb, but he cannot even walk without crutches yet.
I am sorry, but anything is a possibility with the way he hurt himself. I love Iman, but there is no guarantee he will play at a effective level next year.

Melo athletic? i give him C+ at best, Rudy Gay and KD are athletic. Amare is so athletic on offense with charges. I want athletic forwards, to come in and sub for these guys. To change the tempo, to practice with, to defend the stars, and be a shooting threat. stop naming me one or 2 players, look at all other teams, our team is composed majority of players that only have 1 skill set. We could have used a shooter, shot blocker, or penetration player, or a G/F,

We dont have the LLE, if we only have mini MLE. You lose to ability to use it once u are tax paying bracket, that is why I have been working so hard to come up with way s to go under it. We have a lot more holes than just a backup PG to fill, now I am not saying that the player drafted will be able to fill one of these holes for sure.
But there is always that possibility if you draft a player, he can even excel that. We drafted a player that we know won't be able to come over, which is why I feel is unacceptable.
Like I said, we have a bunch of holes to fill, with just a 3m exemption to use.

Euro players, play TEAM BALL, they do not like the style that Melo plays. There is a great chance that none of those players we have rights to will ever come to New York.

What if JR Smith Bails on us? What if Shumpert gets hurt again? What if Lin gets hurt again? Same for Tyson, Amare, JJ, and Melo.
There were still plenty of players we could have took a chance on, in fact I am surprised we didn't try to acquire a mid 2nd rounder to use with a future 2nd round pick.
Many teams just didn't want to use their roster spots. Look at the last 2 players that the Spurs and Lakers drafted, you are telling me couldn't have used those guys along with DJO.
DJO, is worth the risk, he is a career 40% 3point shooter, with combine results that were off the charts as an athlete.
If you draft a Euro, which I don't mind, pick one that has the possibility to come over this year to help, we have too many holes to address....

Picks picked after us
-----------------------------

Dallas/Lakers - DJO
Orlando - Kyle O'Quinn
Spurs -Marcus Denmon
Lakers - Robert Sacre

Players undrafted
------------------------------
Hollis Robinson
Machado
Drew Gordon
Henry Sims
Kevin Jones
Scoop Jardine
Willam Buford
Tu Holloway
Yancy Gates
Alex Young
John Shurna
Wesley Witherspoon
Eric Griffen
Herb Pope
Terrell Stoglin
Cameron Moore
Garrett Stutz
Chris Johnson
Jet Chang

By not drafting players, we still can sign them, but we cannot sign them to 2 - 3 years with team options.
EVERY YEAR, there are players that are pick from 40-60 that are steals, there are players that go undrafted, that become solid rotation players.
So telling me that we could not find players that we could not use, with HOLES we have to our games, lack of shooters, lack of 2 way players,....

RonRon wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

RonRon wrote:We got a lefty, just not the lefty I wanted.

We have no backup PG
we might not have a SG or back up SG healthy
we have no stretch 4
we have no athletic forward
we have no legit shot blocking center

Super athletic my ass, Super athletic in Europe means average to under average athletic in the US

Add him to the list that won't come over, like I said the last 2 Euros that came to us

Gallo/MozGov, they played well for us and they went bye bye quick as can be...

uh, what year's roster are you looking at?

no legit shotblocking center? have you heard of tyson chandler.

no stretch 4? may i introduce you to steve novak.

might not have a SG or backup SG? JR Smith and Iman Shumpert (who, yes, will be out until january or february, not the end of the world, toney can play spot minutes and word is they are looking to sign a SG in FA)

no athletic forward? um. carmelo anthony and amar'e stoudemire.

no backup PG? okay, granted, but again that's what the MLE is for. we have the MLE and LLE to address guard depth.

I DO NOT WANT 1 DIMENSIONAL PLAYERS, to use with all of our rotations, we have to be able to switch it up.

I meant to say backup center that is a legit shot blocker, now name me another....

Steve Novak, stretch 4? really? just he is a great shooter, but he is a tweener, we put him in the 3/4 because that the closets he is. another 1 dimensional player,
A Stretch forward, can grab rebounds, play solid D, some sorta of a presence, he is not a stretch 4, he is a shooter, with no position.

UMMM, JR SMITH IS A UFA, there is no guarantee that he will resign for a 1year deal under his market value. Iman is out till Jan/Feb, but he cannot even walk without crutches yet.
I am sorry, but anything is a possibility with the way he hurt himself. I love Iman, but there is no guarantee he will play at a effective level next year.

Melo athletic? i give him C+ at best, Rudy Gay and KD are athletic. Amare is so athletic on offense with charges. I want athletic forwards, to come in and sub for these guys. To change the tempo, to practice with, to defend the stars, and be a shooting threat. stop naming me one or 2 players, look at all other teams, our team is composed majority of players that only have 1 skill set. We could have used a shooter, shot blocker, or penetration player, or a G/F,

We dont have the LLE, if we only have mini MLE. You lose to ability to use it once u are tax paying bracket, that is why I have been working so hard to come up with way s to go under it. We have a lot more holes than just a backup PG to fill, now I am not saying that the player drafted will be able to fill one of these holes for sure.
But there is always that possibility if you draft a player, he can even excel that. We drafted a player that we know won't be able to come over, which is why I feel is unacceptable.
Like I said, we have a bunch of holes to fill, with just a 3m exemption to use.

Euro players, play TEAM BALL, they do not like the style that Melo plays. There is a great chance that none of those players we have rights to will ever come to New York.

What if JR Smith Bails on us? What if Shumpert gets hurt again? What if Lin gets hurt again? Same for Tyson, Amare, JJ, and Melo.
There were still plenty of players we could have took a chance on, in fact I am surprised we didn't try to acquire a mid 2nd rounder to use with a future 2nd round pick.
Many teams just didn't want to use their roster spots. Look at the last 2 players that the Spurs and Lakers drafted, you are telling me couldn't have used those guys along with DJO.
DJO, is worth the risk, he is a career 40% 3point shooter, with combine results that were off the charts as an athlete.
If you draft a Euro, which I don't mind, pick one that has the possibility to come over this year to help, we have too many holes to address....

Picks picked after us
-----------------------------

Dallas/Lakers - DJO
Orlando - Kyle O'Quinn
Spurs -Marcus Denmon
Lakers - Robert Sacre

Players undrafted
------------------------------
Hollis Robinson
Machado
Drew Gordon
Henry Sims
Kevin Jones
Scoop Jardine
Willam Buford
Tu Holloway
Yancy Gates
Alex Young
John Shurna
Wesley Witherspoon
Eric Griffen
Herb Pope
Terrell Stoglin
Cameron Moore
Garrett Stutz
Chris Johnson
Jet Chang

By not drafting players, we still can sign them, but we cannot sign them to 2 - 3 years with team options.
EVERY YEAR, there are players that are pick from 40-60 that are steals, there are players that go undrafted, that become solid rotation players.
So telling me that we could not find players that we could not use, with HOLES we have to our games, lack of shooters, lack of 2 way players,....

Really dude? This type of a post for pick 48? Show this to any executive in the league and they will die laughing.

I guarantee you none of those players make any impact in the league whatsoever.

in there, but there are players that can contribute and develop in there as well....

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Andrew wrote:

RonRon wrote:By not drafting players, we still can sign them, but we cannot sign them to 2 - 3 years with team options.

What are you talking about? Sure they can. GSW did that with JLin.

We are over the cap, we can sign them to 10 day/1 year deals, unless using exemptions on them, which we probably only have the 3m mini MLE to use.
Now are u gong to break that up?

I don't ever recall reading something like that. I think you are wrong.

Players that are not drafted cannot be signed for multiple years, thus the need of a pick.
If you are under the cap or using exemptions you can. But we don't have a LLE to use if we resign Novak/JR Smith/Fields.
So with only the Mini MLE, we will probably use it all on one player.
I wouldn't be surprised if JR Smith turns down the 1 year offer of 2.8m, knowing we can offer him a multi year contract.

BTW can we all agree if this guy comes over the the US we have to call him Big Papa?

ATrain wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:We can sign anyone who went undrafted. The only way this picks backfires is if DJO contributes immediately and long term is better than Big Papa(nikolau).

BTW can we all agree if this guy comes over the the US we have to call him Big Papa?

Only man I've ever allowed myself to call "Big Papa" is The Notorious B.I.G. and for one song only.

Even if he does some Linsanity type ish? What other nickname are we supposed to give him if he ends up producing?

ATrain wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

ATrain wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:We can sign anyone who went undrafted. The only way this picks backfires is if DJO contributes immediately and long term is better than Big Papa(nikolau).

BTW can we all agree if this guy comes over the the US we have to call him Big Papa?

Only man I've ever allowed myself to call "Big Papa" is The Notorious B.I.G. and for one song only.

Even if he does some Linsanity type ish? What other nickname are we supposed to give him if he ends up producing?

Well, we have plenty of time to come up with one lol. Fans are usually good a picking some dope names so I'm sure someone will come up with an additional knickname.

We failed pretty miserably at coming up with one for Shump. Perhaps we could go with
The Mitten since he's nowhere near as nasty as Gary Payton was offensively.