MozelGovCocktail wrote:Not at all. I'm merely contending that few conclusions can be drawn from small bodies of work.

We have yet to see if Woodson can truly cultivate players' strengths on a one-to-one basis over a sustained period.

Sweeping generalizations are exactly what I'm arguing against.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:Mismanagement of Knicks roster is no joke. A dozen or so games in and guys are dropping like flies. It is possible that Woody doesn't know his guys' limitations as well as MDA did.

This is why it's silly to make such leaps in illogic as displayed in this thread.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:It was obvious that Stat was afraid to tangle in the paint because he feared injury.

It's entirely plausible that MDA simply had a professionally intimate understanding of Amare's physical capabilities.

If Woody's "holding his nuts to the fire" is what pushed Stat onto a mattress, then Woody must be held accountable.

hahahaha - this is really really funny!!

Not sure if you were serious or not ... You were not serious right? You were joking? If you were being sarcastic then this is really really funny. If not, then I don't know what to respond to this and it's ... still pretty funny

So you were not joking. Whoops sorry!

So you think that Woodson asking Amare to play defense was the wrong move since that is his limitation and hence caused him to injure himself? Perhaps you are onto something I would never have looked at it that way. Perhaps if all coaches would not require their players to try too hard there would be fewer injuries.

Interesting ...

Much like MDA did during his time here......

MozelGovCocktail wrote:Not at all. I'm merely contending that few conclusions can be drawn from small bodies of work.

We have yet to see if Woodson can truly cultivate players' strengths on a one-to-one basis over a sustained period.

Sweeping generalizations are exactly what I'm arguing against.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:Mismanagement of Knicks roster is no joke. A dozen or so games in and guys are dropping like flies. It is possible that Woody doesn't know his guys' limitations as well as MDA did.

This is why it's silly to make such leaps in illogic as displayed in this thread.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:It was obvious that Stat was afraid to tangle in the paint because he feared injury.

It's entirely plausible that MDA simply had a professionally intimate understanding of Amare's physical capabilities.

If Woody's "holding his nuts to the fire" is what pushed Stat onto a mattress, then Woody must be held accountable.

hahahaha - this is really really funny!!

Not sure if you were serious or not ... You were not serious right? You were joking? If you were being sarcastic then this is really really funny. If not, then I don't know what to respond to this and it's ... still pretty funny

So you were not joking. Whoops sorry!

So you think that Woodson asking Amare to play defense was the wrong move since that is his limitation and hence caused him to injure himself? Perhaps you are onto something I would never have looked at it that way. Perhaps if all coaches would not require their players to try too hard there would be fewer injuries.

Interesting ...

Much like MDA did during his time here......

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:SVG said were a better defensive team with out Amare and MDA..a direct shot..

Did he really say that?

Yeah he did..

Woodson..sat J R..down after is bone headed foul that got him ejected..thats great communication, sit a player down tell him how much of a plus he is and how he needs to be professional and continue to wrk hard...look at the result..

Nate rob shoots a shot at the opponents basket that almost counted..gets bench for a couple weeks despite the fact that at the time..he was much needed..

woodson approach is much better for certain players...but I ask myself..y did joe johnson want him gone

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:SVG said were a better defensive team with out Amare and MDA..a direct shot..

Did he really say that?

Yeah he did..

Woodson..sat J R..down after is bone headed foul that got him ejected..thats great communication, sit a player down tell him how much of a plus he is and how he needs to be professional and continue to wrk hard...look at the result..

Nate rob shoots a shot at the opponents basket that almost counted..gets bench for a couple weeks despite the fact that at the time..he was much needed..

woodson approach is much better for certain players...but I ask myself..y did joe johnson want him gone

You mean Josh Smith.

No it was JOE, he wasn't going to resign if they kept woodson, Josh wasn't thrilled about woodson either. I think it was good that woodson coach with MDA, he uses his defensive statergy and twaeks MDA's offensive stratergies..

Really,The ISO's is all he added

Mike Woodson revealed some of his talk from Wednesday with J.R. Smith, noting that he wants an overall professional approach.

"On and off the floor," Woodson said. "I want him to be happy when he’s on the floor playing, feel good about himself. When things go bad I don’t want that look on his face like the world is coming down on him. If we make mistakes, miss shots, it’s OK.

"Off the floor, I expect him to be more professional. I want him to be a pro. It’s my job as a coach. That’s one thing you got to teach. It’s not just playing on the floor, it’s how you present yourself off the floor as well. He knows. He’s been around long enough.

"I told him I’m going to continue to coach him as long as I’m coaching the team. I’m not going to let him off the hook. I want his shorts pulled up. I want him to look presentable, be a professional. That’s what it’s all about."

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Are you allowed to like Woodson and NOT hate MDA?

My girlfriend to me, is the most wonderful person in the world.

But to my wife??

Swishfm3 wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:Not at all. I'm merely contending that few conclusions can be drawn from small bodies of work.

We have yet to see if Woodson can truly cultivate players' strengths on a one-to-one basis over a sustained period.

Sweeping generalizations are exactly what I'm arguing against.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:Mismanagement of Knicks roster is no joke. A dozen or so games in and guys are dropping like flies. It is possible that Woody doesn't know his guys' limitations as well as MDA did.

This is why it's silly to make such leaps in illogic as displayed in this thread.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:It was obvious that Stat was afraid to tangle in the paint because he feared injury.

It's entirely plausible that MDA simply had a professionally intimate understanding of Amare's physical capabilities.

If Woody's "holding his nuts to the fire" is what pushed Stat onto a mattress, then Woody must be held accountable.

hahahaha - this is really really funny!!

Not sure if you were serious or not ... You were not serious right? You were joking? If you were being sarcastic then this is really really funny. If not, then I don't know what to respond to this and it's ... still pretty funny

So you were not joking. Whoops sorry!

So you think that Woodson asking Amare to play defense was the wrong move since that is his limitation and hence caused him to injure himself? Perhaps you are onto something I would never have looked at it that way. Perhaps if all coaches would not require their players to try too hard there would be fewer injuries.

Interesting ...

Much like MDA did during his time here......

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Are you allowed to like Woodson and NOT hate MDA?

MozelGovCocktail wrote:Woodsons style was deemed innefective in Atlanta, he was fired. Why you choose to become an apologist for his roster depth now is, well... interesting, at best.

I don't have to touch the Horford thing, thanks.

He failed to use bench players like Acie Law and Solomon Jones, and chose an 8 man rotation. He tried to expand to 9 or 10 too late. His starters wore down and couldn't close (sound familiar)?

His 'two foul- sit down' policy then became an almost laughably exploitable advantage for opponents.

History points to him being a coach that will ride select players until they break and that he'll keep cold players cold.

Time will tell what he will do with a team without a 'gaggle of redundant players'.

misterearl wrote:Say What?

MozelGovCocktail wrote:The entire ATL team wanted Woodson gone because his substitution patterns were predictably robotic, among many other things. His team took to the notion that they were simply a team on the outside of the elite looking in, and they folded whenever they were pressed.

Substitution patterns?

Can you provide any comments from Woodson's Hawks players or are you just making ish up?

The Atlanta Hawks, as constructed under Mike Woodson, were a gaggle of redundant players. There was no center and the guards were barely ambulatory. Please, whatever you do - DO NOT attempt to suggest Al Horford is a center. Horford is no more a center than David Lee is a center.

There was minimal quality depth to make substitution patterns an issue.

Try again.

Maybe he choose an 8 man rotation because his bench was garbage. Which current teams are Acie Law and Solomon Jones helping in this years playoff push? Woodson said it himself, this is the deepest team he's ever been apart of and he is utilizing that. No 8 man rotations here.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Are you allowed to like Woodson and NOT hate MDA?

Nope. It's illegal on this board. And if the Knicks win because the players are playing harder, then it proves MDA was the worst coach ever, even though a host of other big name coaches failed here too in the last 10 years.

Woodson is doing well, so far. MDA and Carmelo did not get along. That is the main reason why we have 28 wins at this point, instead of 34+. Even with injuries to 2 of our top 4 players at any given time, we're talented enough to win at an above .500 rate. This has been proven with both coaches; not many teams have that scenario. But anyway, I like what Woodson is doing.