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[GameThread] The Knicks face the Mavs, gunning for Win #35: NYK @ DAL, 3/10/11, 9:30 PM
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3/11/2011  12:12 AM
Amare is playing like a whiny kid at recess right now. slumped shoulders... grouchy face
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3/11/2011  12:13 AM
Knicks said UNCLE! I was hoping they could cut it to 10, but that last few possessions were awful. They've thrown in the towel.
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3/11/2011  12:14 AM
We defend nobody. We grab no rebounds. We only miss threes in crunch time.

Come on! Thats how you want to be regarded as a contender? Give me a break!

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3/11/2011  12:14 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:Game over..lets win the home and home against Pacers

without amare (for now)

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/11/2011  12:15 AM
4th Qtr 1:37
DAL 123 NYK 104
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3/11/2011  12:15 AM
mreinman wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:Game over..lets win the home and home against Pacers

without amare (for now)

Can be done..Billups comes back I think..Also Pacers been pretty bad lately

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3/11/2011  12:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2011  12:17 AM
And the reason why 3's are bad when you really need points is because if you miss you are toast. It also puts no pressure on opposing D. You make it, whatever , its just points, but if you miss might as well stick a fork in ya.
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3/11/2011  12:17 AM
Knicksfan wrote:We defend nobody. We grab no rebounds. We only miss threes in crunch time.

Come on! Thats how you want to be regarded as a contender? Give me a break!

Over Reaction perhaps? Team is not a finished product..but for what we have at the time..we are very formidable. Not like we played a awful team.

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3/11/2011  12:17 AM
Yeah you can have your bench playing well, when you actually have a bench.
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3/11/2011  12:19 AM
Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.
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3/11/2011  12:20 AM
Final  
DAL 127 NYK 109
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3/11/2011  12:20 AM
The Knicks might drive me crazy before the season ends. I don't really know who they are, neither do they. This showing against a Mavs team that was just beat in the last minute by NO is inexcusable, no matter how championship contenders they are.

NY did NOTHING to help their cause. Nobody rebounds! Nobody plays defense! And for all the majestic offensive team they are, in the final minutes they could only miss threes like finally giving up. You wanna tell me thats a contender? Not even close.

What is the freaking love with the three when you can work offensive sets and keep chipping in. That's certainly better than missing threes and allowing them to go up by 20 again.

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3/11/2011  12:22 AM
The overreaction from Knick fans is comical. The Mavs are one of the best teams in the league and we're still trying to develop our team chemistry and get healthy. This team is still going to be a threat in the playoffs. There won't be any Back to backs in the playoffs and we should hopefully be at full strength and with better chemistry by then. Lets keep things in perspective. The team has been playing better lately, but it's still a work in progress.

I'm more concerned about the wear and tear on STAT. This has been a grinding season and he's getting beat up.

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3/11/2011  12:29 AM
loweyecue wrote:Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.

Help me out because Im really confused. I give no heck about the trade and Randolph, but don't games like this make you really hate the coach? When you see the boxscore, you don't necessarily see a bad night for NY. Only Shawne helped from the bench, but we still got 109 as a team.

Then you see how the other team torched NY, how they out rebounded us by 10 and then you find out most of the last minutes of the game, after cutting the lead to 11, were spent on missing 3s while allowing Dallas turn it again into a laugher really make you hate this.

COME ON!!! THIS IS SURREAL! NO FRIGGIN INTENTION OD PLAYING D! And the only big man we can bring to help is Jeffries?

Should I jump of joy because we have D'Antoni when games like this make you be extremely afraid of the playoffs, where D is more important?

This wasn't a game we battled and just lost to a better team, this was practically quitting, not giving up a damn about it. I hope you understand me here, its not that they lost, its that they never really tried.

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3/11/2011  12:33 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.

Help me out because Im really confused. I give no heck about the trade and Randolph, but don't games like this make you really hate the coach? When you see the boxscore, you don't necessarily see a bad night for NY. Only Shawne helped from the bench, but we still got 109 as a team.

Then you see how the other team torched NY, how they out rebounded us by 10 and then you find out most of the last minutes of the game, after cutting the lead to 11, were spent on missing 3s while allowing Dallas turn it again into a laugher really make you hate this.

COME ON!!! THIS IS SURREAL! NO FRIGGIN INTENTION OD PLAYING D! And the only big man we can bring to help is Jeffries?

Should I jump of joy because we have D'Antoni when games like this make you be extremely afraid of the playoffs, where D is more important?

This wasn't a game we battled and just lost to a better team, this was practically quitting, not giving up a damn about it. I hope you understand me here, its not that they lost, its that they never really tried.

No, it's supposed to be all swell.

If you are mad at the coach you're an idiot and not a real fan.

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3/11/2011  12:33 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.

Help me out because Im really confused. I give no heck about the trade and Randolph, but don't games like this make you really hate the coach? When you see the boxscore, you don't necessarily see a bad night for NY. Only Shawne helped from the bench, but we still got 109 as a team.

Then you see how the other team torched NY, how they out rebounded us by 10 and then you find out most of the last minutes of the game, after cutting the lead to 11, were spent on missing 3s while allowing Dallas turn it again into a laugher really make you hate this.

COME ON!!! THIS IS SURREAL! NO FRIGGIN INTENTION OD PLAYING D! And the only big man we can bring to help is Jeffries?

Should I jump of joy because we have D'Antoni when games like this make you be extremely afraid of the playoffs, where D is more important?

This wasn't a game we battled and just lost to a better team, this was practically quitting, not giving up a damn about it. I hope you understand me here, its not that they lost, its that they never really tried.

Even the elite teams have games like this. The schedule has been brutal and this team has had to fill in every off day with some kind of practice in order to try and get it together as fast as possible. What was this stretch, 7 games in 10 days? That can wear out just about any team except for the super deep teams like the Mavs.

I understand being upset with the lack of effort, but they've been playing hard lately with the exception of tonight. Let's see how they respond the rest of the way. One game is nothing to go crazy over.

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3/11/2011  12:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2011  12:39 AM
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Knicksfan wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.

Help me out because Im really confused. I give no heck about the trade and Randolph, but don't games like this make you really hate the coach? When you see the boxscore, you don't necessarily see a bad night for NY. Only Shawne helped from the bench, but we still got 109 as a team.

Then you see how the other team torched NY, how they out rebounded us by 10 and then you find out most of the last minutes of the game, after cutting the lead to 11, were spent on missing 3s while allowing Dallas turn it again into a laugher really make you hate this.

COME ON!!! THIS IS SURREAL! NO FRIGGIN INTENTION OD PLAYING D! And the only big man we can bring to help is Jeffries?

Should I jump of joy because we have D'Antoni when games like this make you be extremely afraid of the playoffs, where D is more important?

This wasn't a game we battled and just lost to a better team, this was practically quitting, not giving up a damn about it. I hope you understand me here, its not that they lost, its that they never really tried.

No, it's supposed to be all swell.

If you are mad at the coach you're an idiot and not a real fan.

You just pointed out rebounding..do you think D'Antoni has the ideal roster to fix that problem. In Phoenix he had a guy like Shawn Marion to clean up the glass. Hopefully we fix that problem during the offseason. This is not a finished product and we still are winning more than we are losing. What were your expectations when starting the season? TNT just showed some stats and the OPP FG% since the trade is 47%..not bad defense by any stretch but rebounding of course is a issue. Moral of the story is this team is only going to get better..this season and seasons to come.

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3/11/2011  12:46 AM
nixluva wrote:The overreaction from Knick fans is comical. The Mavs are one of the best teams in the league and we're still trying to develop our team chemistry and get healthy. This team is still going to be a threat in the playoffs. There won't be any Back to backs in the playoffs and we should hopefully be at full strength and with better chemistry by then. Lets keep things in perspective. The team has been playing better lately, but it's still a work in progress.

I'm more concerned about the wear and tear on STAT. This has been a grinding season and he's getting beat up.

Dude, before you drink your positive kool-aid (which I will zip in probably tomorrow) why don't you give yourself a chance to analyze the game that just ended and see the positives and negatives of it. You won't have your fan badge confiscated by doing so.

The Mavs are title contenders, a really solid and deep team. Nobody takes that away from them. But does that give the Knicks the justification for not trying on defense? Yeah, the "this team isn't meshing well" excuse. Im sorry but if the Knicks were able to play decent D in the last few games, there is no excuse for practically not even trying tonight. This may still have been a loss, but had the Knicks played decent D like in the last few games, this wouldn't have been a laugher.

The Knicks are a dangerous team that can defeat anybody any given night. We know that. But can they beat a team 4 times out of seven? Thats the real question and once you are in a series, things get more value, like defense and rebounding. The Knicks can win a game when they are on fire on offense. But when they aren't, they need to rebound and defend to keep it close and give their stars a chance to win it.

Tonight, the Knicks tried none, as the defense was nonexistent and the rebounds kept going to Dallas. If you can't get timely stops and rebounds, you will have trouble winning a series.

They may not have the best personnel for rebounding, but they still need to give their all to get them, especially at the end of the game when they are either making a final run or closing out a team.

This loss won't make or break the season, but the effort- or lack of it- was the most disheartening fact of it.

Bring on the Pacers!

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3/11/2011  12:49 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.

Help me out because Im really confused. I give no heck about the trade and Randolph, but don't games like this make you really hate the coach? When you see the boxscore, you don't necessarily see a bad night for NY. Only Shawne helped from the bench, but we still got 109 as a team.

Then you see how the other team torched NY, how they out rebounded us by 10 and then you find out most of the last minutes of the game, after cutting the lead to 11, were spent on missing 3s while allowing Dallas turn it again into a laugher really make you hate this.

COME ON!!! THIS IS SURREAL! NO FRIGGIN INTENTION OD PLAYING D! And the only big man we can bring to help is Jeffries?

Should I jump of joy because we have D'Antoni when games like this make you be extremely afraid of the playoffs, where D is more important?

This wasn't a game we battled and just lost to a better team, this was practically quitting, not giving up a damn about it. I hope you understand me here, its not that they lost, its that they never really tried.

No, it's supposed to be all swell.

If you are mad at the coach you're an idiot and not a real fan.

You just pointed out rebounding..do you think D'Antoni has the ideal roster to fix that problem. In Phoenix he had a guy like Shawn Marion to clean up the glass. Hopefully we fix that problem during the offseason. This is not a finished product and we still are winning more than we are losing. What were your expectations when starting the season? TNT just showed some stats and the OPP FG% since the trade is 47%..not bad defense by any stretch but rebounding of course is a issue. Moral of the story is this team is only going to get better..this season and seasons to come.

The moral of the story is that the coach needs to be fired before we can consider ourselves contenders.

We aren't playing his lame style anymore, which renders him worthless considering he is not a good defensive coach - scheme wise, rotation wise, coaching wise.

You want to win - hire a defensive guy. Hell, I'd give JVG a call. People complain about how he doesn't care about offense. We have offense. We need defense. Good defensive coaches get the most out of their players. JVG had even the likes of McGrady and Francis playing defense when he was coaching there. We need someone like him to come in here and hold guys accountable - and that includes Amare and Carmelo.

It's not one game. It's 3 years. It's this entire year. The defense has been lackluster at best and a few good ones here and there will not erase that. This team needs to take defense seriously. Rebounding can be fixed in the summer. Good defensive schemes, rotations and solid effort cannot be fixed with roster moves, but by coaching.

That is how you win championships - defense and rebounding, not scoring. We have scoring. We can score in the playoffs. We need great defense. Mike D'Antoni will never coach that and as a result the players will not take it as seriously. And even when Mike coaches it, his defensive techniques stink. I've seen him coach defense in practice. He coaches high school defense. We are in the pros. He needs to wake up an hire an assistant or else he will be on the hot seat next season guaranteed.

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3/11/2011  12:51 AM
nixluva wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Let the no defense and fire the coach threads begin. Oh and the Anthony Randolph thread should be revived, in fact I am pretty sure there's a half dozen threads on Jordan Hill that should be googled as well.

Help me out because Im really confused. I give no heck about the trade and Randolph, but don't games like this make you really hate the coach? When you see the boxscore, you don't necessarily see a bad night for NY. Only Shawne helped from the bench, but we still got 109 as a team.

Then you see how the other team torched NY, how they out rebounded us by 10 and then you find out most of the last minutes of the game, after cutting the lead to 11, were spent on missing 3s while allowing Dallas turn it again into a laugher really make you hate this.

COME ON!!! THIS IS SURREAL! NO FRIGGIN INTENTION OD PLAYING D! And the only big man we can bring to help is Jeffries?

Should I jump of joy because we have D'Antoni when games like this make you be extremely afraid of the playoffs, where D is more important?

This wasn't a game we battled and just lost to a better team, this was practically quitting, not giving up a damn about it. I hope you understand me here, its not that they lost, its that they never really tried.

Even the elite teams have games like this. The schedule has been brutal and this team has had to fill in every off day with some kind of practice in order to try and get it together as fast as possible. What was this stretch, 7 games in 10 days? That can wear out just about any team except for the super deep teams like the Mavs.

I understand being upset with the lack of effort, but they've been playing hard lately with the exception of tonight. Let's see how they respond the rest of the way. One game is nothing to go crazy over.

I have loved their effort in the last few days, no matter if they have been wins or losses, but what killed me in this game was that it felt they really thought they were playing with house money and therefore made no strong effort to win or stay close. They had that 3rd quarter run, yeah, but never tightened up the D enough to make it a game.

I hope they realize once the playoffs start, they can't get a night off like they seemed to do tonight.

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