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2/13/2011  2:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

5 blocks is pretty impressive - that's josh smith/ak47 territory.

Chandler was the only guy who took it to the rack all night last night, he's the only reason the knicks won.


comments like that drive me nuts.. first of all, two of the blocks were tips of jumpers... not josh smith types of blocks.. second the reason we won, is because we played as a team and toney douglas had a hell of a game, shot 8-13 from the floor for 19 points.. he was stroking the ball. well.. why must you guys go so overboard when chandler has a decent game.. the guy took 21 shots to get 21 points.. that stinks... the reason why we won, because guys like TD and walker along with fields got hot from three.. that was the big difference.. for christ sakes.. I will be happy once we make this denver trade if it ever happens...

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2/13/2011  2:30 PM
Chandler was aggressive and that hasn't been the case in many recent games. He was looking confident in his shots too. It's not just that he made a few, it's the way he looked all game. He was into it on D and wasn't playing in the shadows. He was active in all phases of the game.

As for TD as a back up. His main problem is just a lack of PG instincts. He misses so many plays its not even funny. He almost never really runs the offense and gets guys setup. He also tends to want to stay WAY back behind the 3pt line cuz I think he can't see thru the trees well enough and feels uncomfortable being in the teeth of the defense. If you watch good PG's like Nash, they get all into the D and make guys move where they want them to go. Not that i'd expect that level from TD, but even if he did that to a lesser degree it would show that he realizes how he can use his ballhandling and movement to create space to make a pass. Anyway, I think we know now he's not likely to show enough improvement to be a solid backup to Felton. Unless TD is scoring, he's not very helpful on offense.
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2/13/2011  2:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

Papabear Says

What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

Chan is OK player. He is missing something metally and his BB IQ is less that avarage in NBA.
He suddenly can get disoriented and start attempting some bad shots.
He can be very good with smart PG concentrated on making plays for him. We do not have this.
So he is left on his own.
He is complimentary player and his game depending heavily on PG and coaching.
Chan will be very good on teams like Spurs, Jazz, Lakers. And he will suck on bad team.
We are OK so he is OK.

very well put....

Chandler isn't a leader, but since we got some real leaders here in Amar'e and Ray, he's been quite good. His game against the Spurs where he had 31pts was incredible. He's been slumping lately because of the trade rumors, as Gallo was earlier in the season.

the spurs game was nice, but those games happen to a lot of average players.. often.... chandler was playing bad because he was taking the same dumb shots and making the same dumb decisions.. chandler will always have this problem because he is not a high IQ player.. so when his shot is falling we can come here and hear all of the over the top comments about him being an allstar, but when things level out, as they do, when the shots fall, we don't hear a peep about chandler.. the trade rumors are not the problem.... his lack of a handle, decision making and IQ are bigger problems and why he will have weeks of ineptitude followed by a few good weeks when the shots he throws up go in..

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2/13/2011  2:33 PM
nixluva wrote:Chandler was aggressive and that hasn't been the case in many recent games. He was looking confident in his shots too. It's not just that he made a few, it's the way he looked all game. He was into it on D and wasn't playing in the shadows. He was active in all phases of the game.

As for TD as a back up. His main problem is just a lack of PG instincts. He misses so many plays its not even funny. He almost never really runs the offense and gets guys setup. He also tends to want to stay WAY back behind the 3pt line cuz I think he can't see thru the trees well enough and feels uncomfortable being in the teeth of the defense. If you watch good PG's like Nash, they get all into the D and make guys move where they want them to go. Not that i'd expect that level from TD, but even if he did that to a lesser degree it would show that he realizes how he can use his ballhandling and movement to create space to make a pass. Anyway, I think we know now he's not likely to show enough improvement to be a solid backup to Felton. Unless TD is scoring, he's not very helpful on offense.


TD is not a PG, people need to realize that, but he is a guard who can defend and score in bunches... the problem with him is shot selection and decision making.. the same problems I have with chandler, except I think TD has more offensive weapons, meaning he can handle the ball and get to where he wants to with the ball.... just needs to be more consistent and not having to look over his shoulder every time he makes a mistake..

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2/13/2011  2:53 PM
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crzymdups wrote:pretty impressive that the Knicks beat the Nets with Amar'e and Gallo both out. What's that you say, Gallinari played 30 minutes tonight?

Gallo had 8 rebs and 7 pts on 5 shots. I thought he did a good job on the boards in the 4th.

i liked his defense in the 2nd half, but offensively he was MIA... seems like him & Wilson have a problem putting up #'s in the same game even w/Amare out.

someone posted something that gallo posted on a site.. gallo last night complained of pain in his foot, was bothering his shot....

interesting... that might explain his bad shooting of late, maybe he can't get the same lift on his J's

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2/13/2011  2:55 PM
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crzymdups wrote:pretty impressive that the Knicks beat the Nets with Amar'e and Gallo both out. What's that you say, Gallinari played 30 minutes tonight?

Gallo had 8 rebs and 7 pts on 5 shots. I thought he did a good job on the boards in the 4th.

i liked his defense in the 2nd half, but offensively he was MIA... seems like him & Wilson have a problem putting up #'s in the same game even w/Amare out.


because chandler will take as many shots as amare will ..21 shots for chandler is ridiculous. he is just not good enough to be taking that many shots.. to me, it is like having al thorton or All harrington on your team( to a lesser extent) any player should be able to get 21 points on 20 shots.. to me, that just takes away from the team.. but whatever... not a fan of volume shooters...

Wilson didn't take that many shots until the 4th quarter from what i remember... he had to try & step up & take over no one else was doing it other than TD last night, Felton was throwing up bricks for much of the game & Gallo disappeared.

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2/13/2011  2:56 PM
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TMS wrote:i just wish RJ was still on the Nets so i could cherish this W a little more.

Jefferson has a big mouth and a huge ego. I hated him as a net because he trash talked and won. Ican't remember but I think Jeff and Martin gave Zo a hard time after his kidney transplant when he became a net. I know Martin did give Zo a hard time and I just don't know how you give a guy like that a hard time after a kidney transplant.

RJ always enjoyed taking pleasure at pointing out how the Knicks weren't at the Nets' level all those years, it would just have been nice to have him around while the Nets were crap & get a taste of his own medicine... can't stand that guy... horse face looking mofo that he is.

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2/13/2011  2:59 PM
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scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

tk i think you're being unfair to Wilson he had a good game last night... his stats might not tell the story but he took over the game in the 4th quarter & made some huge plays on both ends to get us that W... that drive & kick to a wide open Landry for that dagger 3 was all Wilson off his ball penetration... if Gallo had made that play we'd all be praising him too.

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2/13/2011  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2011  4:24 PM
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scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

tk i think you're being unfair to Wilson he had a good game last night... his stats might not tell the story but he took over the game in the 4th quarter & made some huge plays on both ends to get us that W... that drive & kick to a wide open Landry for that dagger 3 was all Wilson off his ball penetration... if Gallo had made that play we'd all be praising him too.

I am being as fair to chandler as I was to Al harrington... Harrington got killed around here for that chuck and duck mentality... chandler is very similar and just doesn't offer enough offensively, besides shooting to take 21 shots!!! I just don't like it! and the fact that he often has to take a lot of shots to get a decent amout of points is something I will always complain about.... lets just forget gallo at this moment.. this has NOTHING to do with gallo!!!!! and everything to do with chandler at the moment... I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose... I get mad when felton takes 20+ shots... the same with amare.. yet I never hear anyone mention gallo's name then. I don't dislike chandler game because I like gallo.. that is silly.. I don't like his game, because I just don't.. used to.. but for me, he didn't evolve enough.. just got better at being a high volume, low IQ player.....

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I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose.

u'r right if we're not playing the Nets we lose... Gallo wasn't doing anything offensively isn't that also a black statement on his ability to carry this team when our star goes down? all i know is without Wilson last nite we lose that game in pretty embarassing fashion to a crappy team... Gallo was not into the game offensively... in games when Gallo goes off Wilson disappears too.... both of them are worthy prospects, neither are elite franchise calibre.

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I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose.

u'r right if we're not playing the Nets we lose... Gallo wasn't doing anything offensively isn't that also a black statement on his ability to carry this team when our star goes down? all i know is without Wilson last nite we lose that game in pretty embarassing fashion to a crappy team... Gallo was not into the game offensively... in games when Gallo goes off Wilson disappears too.... both of them are worthy prospects, neither are elite franchise calibre.


hard to get shots when someone is jacking up 21 of them.. but honestly, doing good vs the nets is something I am not worried about.. gallo seems to know when his team needs him to turn it up or not.. Honestly, tony douglas was shooting very well and we got production from walker, so I guess gallo just playing within the flow was something that didn't hurt the team... And all I know is that without douglas we also lose that game in embarrassing fashion.. the fascination to make chandler some savior is amazing.. not saying you are doing that, but it is close.. haha... anyway... I much rather have a more cerebral player.. it is the reason why I wanted harrington out of here, the reason why I wanted no parts of zach randolph as well... add chandler to that bunch.. if he is not taking 18-20 shots, he is ineffective.. not the player I am banking on..

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2/13/2011  6:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2011  6:28 PM
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I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose.

u'r right if we're not playing the Nets we lose... Gallo wasn't doing anything offensively isn't that also a black statement on his ability to carry this team when our star goes down? all i know is without Wilson last nite we lose that game in pretty embarassing fashion to a crappy team... Gallo was not into the game offensively... in games when Gallo goes off Wilson disappears too.... both of them are worthy prospects, neither are elite franchise calibre.


hard to get shots when someone is jacking up 21 of them.. but honestly, doing good vs the nets is something I am not worried about.. gallo seems to know when his team needs him to turn it up or not.. Honestly, tony douglas was shooting very well and we got production from walker, so I guess gallo just playing within the flow was something that didn't hurt the team... And all I know is that without douglas we also lose that game in embarrassing fashion.. the fascination to make chandler some savior is amazing.. not saying you are doing that, but it is close.. haha... anyway... I much rather have a more cerebral player.. it is the reason why I wanted harrington out of here, the reason why I wanted no parts of zach randolph as well... add chandler to that bunch.. if he is not taking 18-20 shots, he is ineffective.. not the player I am banking on..

i'm not making Wilson out to be a savior simply acknowledging when he has a good game just like i do when Gallo has one... Wilson has been struggling lately so haven't been able to say many positive things about him but last night he stepped up when the team needed him to so i'm not gonna knock him for it... whether he's your cup of tea or not, that's up to you to decide, i think he brings some good things to the table but lacks in other areas, same i can say for Gallo... i'm actually with u i can't wait for the Melo deal to be consummated so we don't have to rely on guys like Wilson & Gallo to be our #2 option going forward.

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2/13/2011  6:32 PM
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I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose.

u'r right if we're not playing the Nets we lose... Gallo wasn't doing anything offensively isn't that also a black statement on his ability to carry this team when our star goes down? all i know is without Wilson last nite we lose that game in pretty embarassing fashion to a crappy team... Gallo was not into the game offensively... in games when Gallo goes off Wilson disappears too.... both of them are worthy prospects, neither are elite franchise calibre.


hard to get shots when someone is jacking up 21 of them.. but honestly, doing good vs the nets is something I am not worried about.. gallo seems to know when his team needs him to turn it up or not.. Honestly, tony douglas was shooting very well and we got production from walker, so I guess gallo just playing within the flow was something that didn't hurt the team... And all I know is that without douglas we also lose that game in embarrassing fashion.. the fascination to make chandler some savior is amazing.. not saying you are doing that, but it is close.. haha... anyway... I much rather have a more cerebral player.. it is the reason why I wanted harrington out of here, the reason why I wanted no parts of zach randolph as well... add chandler to that bunch.. if he is not taking 18-20 shots, he is ineffective.. not the player I am banking on..

i'm not making Wilson out to be a savior simply acknowledging when he has a good game just like i do when Gallo has one... Wilson has been struggling lately so haven't been able to say many positive things about him but last night he stepped up when the team needed him to so i'm not gonna knock him for it... whether he's your cup of tea or not, that's up to you to decide, i think he brings some good things to the table but lacks in other areas, same i can say for Gallo... i'm actually with u i can't wait for the Melo deal to be consummated so we don't have to rely on guys like Wilson & Gallo to be our #2 option going forward.

I am actually waiting for melo to get here for another reason.. when fans find out that he is not the answer to our bigger problems.. I am wondering how long it will take for MSG to implode... hahaha

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2/13/2011  7:21 PM
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tkf wrote:
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scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

5 blocks is pretty impressive - that's josh smith/ak47 territory.

Chandler was the only guy who took it to the rack all night last night, he's the only reason the knicks won.


comments like that drive me nuts.. first of all, two of the blocks were tips of jumpers... not josh smith types of blocks.. second the reason we won, is because we played as a team and toney douglas had a hell of a game, shot 8-13 from the floor for 19 points.. he was stroking the ball. well.. why must you guys go so overboard when chandler has a decent game.. the guy took 21 shots to get 21 points.. that stinks... the reason why we won, because guys like TD and walker along with fields got hot from three.. that was the big difference.. for christ sakes.. I will be happy once we make this denver trade if it ever happens...

this is why looking at boxscores doesn't always work for me. from my perspective, toney shot well, but made some horrendous decisions with the ball as a PG, didn't find ANY teammates the whole night, overplayed the passing lanes and got beat a bunch and also fouled a three point shooter with the knicks up 8 with like 50 seconds left. i thought toney, outside of shooting well, had a mediocre game.

chandler did not shoot great, but in the fourth quarter he took the ball to the rim several times when it was a 2 point game. they were huge huge huge plays. no one else was stepping up creating anything toward the basket. luckily guys were hitting threes, but NO ONE was creating anything inside. except wilson. he also did an admirable job against brook lopez, took care of the boards and played harassing defense. im sorry, if you think tipped jumpers don't count as blocks, i don't know what to tell you.

wilson had a stellar overall game, despite clearly being somewhat out of sync on offense. gallo looked like he was asleep out there. felton, too.

wilson was the only one who stepped up when the game was on the line and made two emphatic moves to the hoop to score. his work on offense created space for landry and even mozgov (mozgov rebounded a wilson miss for a big three point play) - wilson's game was the reason they won last night. plain and simple.

if you're pointing to toney douglas as the reason they won, i can't believe you watched the game.

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2/13/2011  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2011  8:43 PM
tkf wrote:
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tkf wrote:
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I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose.

u'r right if we're not playing the Nets we lose... Gallo wasn't doing anything offensively isn't that also a black statement on his ability to carry this team when our star goes down? all i know is without Wilson last nite we lose that game in pretty embarassing fashion to a crappy team... Gallo was not into the game offensively... in games when Gallo goes off Wilson disappears too.... both of them are worthy prospects, neither are elite franchise calibre.


hard to get shots when someone is jacking up 21 of them.. but honestly, doing good vs the nets is something I am not worried about.. gallo seems to know when his team needs him to turn it up or not.. Honestly, tony douglas was shooting very well and we got production from walker, so I guess gallo just playing within the flow was something that didn't hurt the team... And all I know is that without douglas we also lose that game in embarrassing fashion.. the fascination to make chandler some savior is amazing.. not saying you are doing that, but it is close.. haha... anyway... I much rather have a more cerebral player.. it is the reason why I wanted harrington out of here, the reason why I wanted no parts of zach randolph as well... add chandler to that bunch.. if he is not taking 18-20 shots, he is ineffective.. not the player I am banking on..

i'm not making Wilson out to be a savior simply acknowledging when he has a good game just like i do when Gallo has one... Wilson has been struggling lately so haven't been able to say many positive things about him but last night he stepped up when the team needed him to so i'm not gonna knock him for it... whether he's your cup of tea or not, that's up to you to decide, i think he brings some good things to the table but lacks in other areas, same i can say for Gallo... i'm actually with u i can't wait for the Melo deal to be consummated so we don't have to rely on guys like Wilson & Gallo to be our #2 option going forward.

I am actually waiting for melo to get here for another reason.. when fans find out that he is not the answer to our bigger problems.. I am wondering how long it will take for MSG to implode... hahaha

probably alot longer than it's gonna take Melo detractors from realizing he's no 2nd tier NBA talent i'm guessing... i dunno if Melo will be the answer to all our problems but i do know he's a huge upgrade over Wilson or Gallo... u can't build a team in 1 move, but getting Melo will represent a huge step for this franchise... i don't know what the championship Knicks were like but i do know the Knicks have never had 2 top talents like Melo & Amare on the same team in the modern history of their franchise.

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tkf wrote:
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scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

5 blocks is pretty impressive - that's josh smith/ak47 territory.

Chandler was the only guy who took it to the rack all night last night, he's the only reason the knicks won.


comments like that drive me nuts.. first of all, two of the blocks were tips of jumpers... not josh smith types of blocks.. second the reason we won, is because we played as a team and toney douglas had a hell of a game, shot 8-13 from the floor for 19 points.. he was stroking the ball. well.. why must you guys go so overboard when chandler has a decent game.. the guy took 21 shots to get 21 points.. that stinks... the reason why we won, because guys like TD and walker along with fields got hot from three.. that was the big difference.. for christ sakes.. I will be happy once we make this denver trade if it ever happens...

this is why looking at boxscores doesn't always work for me. from my perspective, toney shot well, but made some horrendous decisions with the ball as a PG, didn't find ANY teammates the whole night, overplayed the passing lanes and got beat a bunch and also fouled a three point shooter with the knicks up 8 with like 50 seconds left. i thought toney, outside of shooting well, had a mediocre game.

chandler did not shoot great, but in the fourth quarter he took the ball to the rim several times when it was a 2 point game. they were huge huge huge plays. no one else was stepping up creating anything toward the basket. luckily guys were hitting threes, but NO ONE was creating anything inside. except wilson. he also did an admirable job against brook lopez, took care of the boards and played harassing defense. im sorry, if you think tipped jumpers don't count as blocks, i don't know what to tell you.

wilson had a stellar overall game, despite clearly being somewhat out of sync on offense. gallo looked like he was asleep out there. felton, too.

wilson was the only one who stepped up when the game was on the line and made two emphatic moves to the hoop to score. his work on offense created space for landry and even mozgov (mozgov rebounded a wilson miss for a big three point play) - wilson's game was the reason they won last night. plain and simple.

if you're pointing to toney douglas as the reason they won, i can't believe you watched the game.

actually, Ithink felton played more under control.. had two huge assists to fields for three late that pushed the lead from 1 to about 9, along with moz play...

TD, shot well, he is not a PG, he comes off the bench to hustle and score.. I think he did his job well..

when you keep saying wilson is the only one who stepped up when the game was on the line, it is so untrue... go back and watch the game.. I watched the 4th qtr twice.. I think you giving chandler way too much credit here..

but I digress...

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2/13/2011  9:21 PM
TMS wrote:
tkf wrote:
TMS wrote:
tkf wrote:
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I am counting the days down till we trade him for melo(please denver) so I really won't have to deal with people trying to convince me that a decent to good player is some GREAT prospect.... if we are not playing the nets we lose.

u'r right if we're not playing the Nets we lose... Gallo wasn't doing anything offensively isn't that also a black statement on his ability to carry this team when our star goes down? all i know is without Wilson last nite we lose that game in pretty embarassing fashion to a crappy team... Gallo was not into the game offensively... in games when Gallo goes off Wilson disappears too.... both of them are worthy prospects, neither are elite franchise calibre.


hard to get shots when someone is jacking up 21 of them.. but honestly, doing good vs the nets is something I am not worried about.. gallo seems to know when his team needs him to turn it up or not.. Honestly, tony douglas was shooting very well and we got production from walker, so I guess gallo just playing within the flow was something that didn't hurt the team... And all I know is that without douglas we also lose that game in embarrassing fashion.. the fascination to make chandler some savior is amazing.. not saying you are doing that, but it is close.. haha... anyway... I much rather have a more cerebral player.. it is the reason why I wanted harrington out of here, the reason why I wanted no parts of zach randolph as well... add chandler to that bunch.. if he is not taking 18-20 shots, he is ineffective.. not the player I am banking on..

i'm not making Wilson out to be a savior simply acknowledging when he has a good game just like i do when Gallo has one... Wilson has been struggling lately so haven't been able to say many positive things about him but last night he stepped up when the team needed him to so i'm not gonna knock him for it... whether he's your cup of tea or not, that's up to you to decide, i think he brings some good things to the table but lacks in other areas, same i can say for Gallo... i'm actually with u i can't wait for the Melo deal to be consummated so we don't have to rely on guys like Wilson & Gallo to be our #2 option going forward.

I am actually waiting for melo to get here for another reason.. when fans find out that he is not the answer to our bigger problems.. I am wondering how long it will take for MSG to implode... hahaha

probably alot longer than it's gonna take Melo detractors from realizing he's no 2nd tier NBA talent i'm guessing... i dunno if Melo will be the answer to all our problems but i do know he's a huge upgrade over Wilson or Gallo... u can't build a team in 1 move, but getting Melo will represent a huge step for this franchise... i don't know what the championship Knicks were like but i do know the Knicks have never had 2 top talents like Melo & Amare on the same team in the modern history of their franchise.


what? are you crazy... you don't remember Ewing and Eddie lee wilkins? ROFL... J/K

seriously... good point.. just intersted on seeing the effect of having another big scorer on a team that really doesn't have a problem with scoring, but moreso, consistent ball movement and defense..

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2/13/2011  9:39 PM
u can find defensive minded role players if defense is a concern... there's a ton of them out there hungry to show themselves u can easily draft with a 2nd round pick, or undrafted playing in the D Leagues or playing overseas... guys like Leon Powe & Joel Anthony that regularly sign on minimum level contracts that can play a big role off the bench... finding the star players to carry the offense is much harder to do.

as for ball movement, that lies on the head coach to teach these guys a system that stresses ball movement & movement w/o the ball, not to just settle for iso play, bad shot selection & stagnant play... Melo has throughout his career shown he can be a major part of good team oriented basketball... to me there's zero concern of how he would fit in here, if he can get along with George Karl i'm pretty sure he'd get along great with MDA & fit in nicely w/the rest of the Knicks.

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2/13/2011  11:09 PM
TMS wrote:u can find defensive minded role players if defense is a concern... there's a ton of them out there hungry to show themselves u can easily draft with a 2nd round pick, or undrafted playing in the D Leagues or playing overseas... guys like Leon Powe & Joel Anthony that regularly sign on minimum level contracts that can play a big role off the bench... finding the star players to carry the offense is much harder to do.

as for ball movement, that lies on the head coach to teach these guys a system that stresses ball movement & movement w/o the ball, not to just settle for iso play, bad shot selection & stagnant play... Melo has throughout his career shown he can be a major part of good team oriented basketball... to me there's zero concern of how he would fit in here, if he can get along with George Karl i'm pretty sure he'd get along great with MDA & fit in nicely w/the rest of the Knicks.

good points..we will soon see, especially if something happens in the next week or two..

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2/14/2011  10:23 AM
Weird criticisms of Chandler- yes he didn't shoot efficiently, but A) Nets were keying on him, B) he still made huge shots, C) he had 8 rebounds and 5 blocks in Amare's absence which was especially huge. The biggest thing was Wilson's demeanor and agressiveness which had been missing for the last several games. He looked back on form for the most part which was really what we were waiting for.
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