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12/19/2010  11:16 AM
Terrible. I didn't even know we played. What's going on?! Gallinari, he'll never shoot this poorly again, so that's an aberration. Terrible.
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12/19/2010  12:29 PM
I was on the road during the Cavs game, and got home late, so I could only listen to it. I did manage to watch the Heat game when I got home, which I had burned from the MSG broadcast.

You cannot reach any conclusions from the Cavs game, other than our need for a bench, without taking into consideration the fact that the Knicks had played the Heat the night before.

The Heat game, like the Celtic game, was played with a playoff-type intensity, and the Knicks were beaten by a Miami team that hit 10/18 from the 3, and had almost everyone hitting their outside shots except for Wade. James is shooting 47% from the field and 34% from the 3...he is not as good of a shooter as he shot against the Knicks, he just happened to be in a zone the other day with that fall-back jumper of his, which he had to take because the Knicks were not letting him drive very often.

You cant expect a game like that one not to influence your play the next day, win or lose.

Look how the Heat did against Washington, sans Arenas and Wall- they just scratched by...don't think the drama and effort of the Knicks' game the night before did not have an impact on their performance in the Verizon Center.

Take out the Miami game and we beat the Cavs, IMO, no doubt about it.

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12/19/2010  12:36 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Gallo has poor shot selection.

Agreed!Gallo lost the the game for us with that ill advised chuck up 3 towards the end of regulation when we are up by 2!get the ball inside idiot try for two and if not hopefully get the foul!I am getting real tired of him fast trade him now before its to late!

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12/19/2010  12:58 PM
rich1223 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Gallo has poor shot selection.

Agreed!Gallo lost the the game for us with that ill advised chuck up 3 towards the end of regulation when we are up by 2!get the ball inside idiot try for two and if not hopefully get the foul!I am getting real tired of him fast trade him now before its to late!

Get the heck out of town, don't pack your belongings on a tractor.

You trade Gallo and you will cry, you will cry yourself to sleep every night after that night, for the rest of your little life. Because Gallo is the best overall baller on the team. He does it all:

1. He drains the trey bucket
2. He plays tough D on anyone you put him on, including superstars
3. He'll take it to the hole, dunk shot reverse
4. Great finisher
5. Draws fouls because you can't guard him without fouling him
6. Clutch

Everyone has a bad game once in a while. Gallo didn't lose that game for us, the team lost that game. It's a team game. Come on. You can always say something lost the game, like what about Amar'e's 8 turnovers? Please. Please.

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12/19/2010  1:16 PM
I am going to laugh at that post because i know you cant be serious!But if your not then man you got more problems that mister chuck it Gallo!
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12/19/2010  2:09 PM
Paladin55 wrote:I was on the road during the Cavs game, and got home late, so I could only listen to it. I did manage to watch the Heat game when I got home, which I had burned from the MSG broadcast.

You cannot reach any conclusions from the Cavs game, other than our need for a bench, without taking into consideration the fact that the Knicks had played the Heat the night before.

The Heat game, like the Celtic game, was played with a playoff-type intensity, and the Knicks were beaten by a Miami team that hit 10/18 from the 3, and had almost everyone hitting their outside shots except for Wade. James is shooting 47% from the field and 34% from the 3...he is not as good of a shooter as he shot against the Knicks, he just happened to be in a zone the other day with that fall-back jumper of his, which he had to take because the Knicks were not letting him drive very often.

You cant expect a game like that one not to influence your play the next day, win or lose.

Look how the Heat did against Washington, sans Arenas and Wall- they just scratched by...don't think the drama and effort of the Knicks' game the night before did not have an impact on their performance in the Verizon Center.

Take out the Miami game and we beat the Cavs, IMO, no doubt about it.

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It dosent matter who we play it seems someone from the other team have a breakout game. We have no defense and if Mike D is stressing this and the guys are not doing it he should sit them down and play the whole bench.

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12/19/2010  3:23 PM
rich1223 wrote:I am going to laugh at that post because i know you cant be serious!But if your not then man you got more problems that mister chuck it Gallo!

What's wrong with you?

Gallo is the man. He's a baller all around. His mental, his physical, it's all there. The kid is 22 and in a foreign land, a foreign league, and starting. Holding his own. He's had a few bad games. But who hasn't?

You know what you can't buy? In an employee, in a baller, in a student? The winning mental. He's got it. If you can't see that then that's on you.

But you don't trade a Gallo. It's so rare that you get a baller with his type of physical prowess combined with an above-average IQ. Plus the uncanny ability to get to the line, drain the trey bucket, and reverse slam dunk despite giving off the appearance of a plodding hippo. He's a prong buck, is what he is.

Listen, they say New York fans know what they're talking about. No. They don't. The majority are merely boisterous idiots bolstered by an aggrandized stage.

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12/19/2010  3:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2010  3:30 PM
rich1223 wrote:I am going to laugh at that post because i know you cant be serious!But if your not then man you got more problems that mister chuck it Gallo!

I never get as excited over Gallo as the orange blob guy, but you have some issues in terms of your focus.

Inconsistency is an issue with any young player. Gallo is basically in his second year as a starter. He is still at the point where you make a bigger deal about the good things he does, rather than focussing on the negative.

I have issues with his shot selection at times, less about him taking the shots- more in terms of his understanding that when his long range shooting touch is off- he has recognize it, accept it, and then find other ways of contributing on the offensive end. He has shown that he can get to the basket, he has to be more consistent in making a conscious effort to drive when his shooting touch isn't there.

What I have trouble with when you make blanket statements is that you obviously didn't take in the full magnitude of Gallinari's game against the Heat, where you can make the case that he was the best guy we had on the floor for most of the game, or what he accomplished in the Celtic game the second half. On D he also kept James from penetrating much of the game, which was probably his defensive role. He had no control of the fact that James would be hitting fall-away Js like they were layups.

I was not able to make any immediate comments following the Heat game because I was out of town and had now access to computer, but I did make a simple check and noticed that you didn't post anything on the Knicks/Heat thread during or after that game.

Tells me that you are more of a troll than a serious poster on this issue.

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12/19/2010  3:30 PM
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Paladin55 wrote:I was on the road during the Cavs game, and got home late, so I could only listen to it. I did manage to watch the Heat game when I got home, which I had burned from the MSG broadcast.

You cannot reach any conclusions from the Cavs game, other than our need for a bench, without taking into consideration the fact that the Knicks had played the Heat the night before.

The Heat game, like the Celtic game, was played with a playoff-type intensity, and the Knicks were beaten by a Miami team that hit 10/18 from the 3, and had almost everyone hitting their outside shots except for Wade. James is shooting 47% from the field and 34% from the 3...he is not as good of a shooter as he shot against the Knicks, he just happened to be in a zone the other day with that fall-back jumper of his, which he had to take because the Knicks were not letting him drive very often.

You cant expect a game like that one not to influence your play the next day, win or lose.

Look how the Heat did against Washington, sans Arenas and Wall- they just scratched by...don't think the drama and effort of the Knicks' game the night before did not have an impact on their performance in the Verizon Center.

Take out the Miami game and we beat the Cavs, IMO, no doubt about it.

Papabear Says

It dosent matter who we play it seems someone from the other team have a breakout game. We have no defense and if Mike D is stressing this and the guys are not doing it he should sit them down and play the whole bench.


Just saying that IMO, the Cavs game does not go as it did if we had not played the Heat the night before.
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12/19/2010  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2010  3:59 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:I was on the road during the Cavs game, and got home late, so I could only listen to it. I did manage to watch the Heat game when I got home, which I had burned from the MSG broadcast.

You cannot reach any conclusions from the Cavs game, other than our need for a bench, without taking into consideration the fact that the Knicks had played the Heat the night before.

The Heat game, like the Celtic game, was played with a playoff-type intensity, and the Knicks were beaten by a Miami team that hit 10/18 from the 3, and had almost everyone hitting their outside shots except for Wade. James is shooting 47% from the field and 34% from the 3...he is not as good of a shooter as he shot against the Knicks, he just happened to be in a zone the other day with that fall-back jumper of his, which he had to take because the Knicks were not letting him drive very often.

You cant expect a game like that one not to influence your play the next day, win or lose.

Look how the Heat did against Washington, sans Arenas and Wall- they just scratched by...don't think the drama and effort of the Knicks' game the night before did not have an impact on their performance in the Verizon Center.

Take out the Miami game and we beat the Cavs, IMO, no doubt about it.

Papabear Says

It dosent matter who we play it seems someone from the other team have a breakout game. We have no defense and if Mike D is stressing this and the guys are not doing it he should sit them down and play the whole bench.


Just saying that IMO, the Cavs game does not go as it did if we had not played the Heat the night before.

so if mda didnt burn out our top five in the heat game, knicks win the cavs game. makes good sense.

that good sense also works for the miami and celtics game, if our top five are not gassed those games, chances of winning go up as well.

now i know you think im going to blame mda for minutes management.. you right.

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12/19/2010  4:01 PM
cheers wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:I was on the road during the Cavs game, and got home late, so I could only listen to it. I did manage to watch the Heat game when I got home, which I had burned from the MSG broadcast.

You cannot reach any conclusions from the Cavs game, other than our need for a bench, without taking into consideration the fact that the Knicks had played the Heat the night before.

The Heat game, like the Celtic game, was played with a playoff-type intensity, and the Knicks were beaten by a Miami team that hit 10/18 from the 3, and had almost everyone hitting their outside shots except for Wade. James is shooting 47% from the field and 34% from the 3...he is not as good of a shooter as he shot against the Knicks, he just happened to be in a zone the other day with that fall-back jumper of his, which he had to take because the Knicks were not letting him drive very often.

You cant expect a game like that one not to influence your play the next day, win or lose.

Look how the Heat did against Washington, sans Arenas and Wall- they just scratched by...don't think the drama and effort of the Knicks' game the night before did not have an impact on their performance in the Verizon Center.

Take out the Miami game and we beat the Cavs, IMO, no doubt about it.

Papabear Says

It dosent matter who we play it seems someone from the other team have a breakout game. We have no defense and if Mike D is stressing this and the guys are not doing it he should sit them down and play the whole bench.


Just saying that IMO, the Cavs game does not go as it did if we had not played the Heat the night before.

so if mda didnt burn out our top five in the heat game, knicks win the cavs game. makes good sense.

that good sense also works for the miami and celtics game, if our top five is are not gassed those games, chances of winning go up as well.

now i know you think im going to blame mda for minutes management.. you right.


I don't think anyone on UK feels that we are not going to be hurting big time at some point if our bench can play more (and more productive) minutes.

The ironic things is that prior to the beginning of our pre-season, I thought that our depth was going to be a strong point for this team.

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12/19/2010  6:55 PM
Amare needs other guys to step up to keep defenses honest. Felton tried but he isnt that guy.

Gallo and Chandler seem to enjoy coasting in games.

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12/19/2010  7:46 PM
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rich1223 wrote:I am going to laugh at that post because i know you cant be serious!But if your not then man you got more problems that mister chuck it Gallo!

I never get as excited over Gallo as the orange blob guy, but you have some issues in terms of your focus.

Inconsistency is an issue with any young player. Gallo is basically in his second year as a starter. He is still at the point where you make a bigger deal about the good things he does, rather than focussing on the negative.

I have issues with his shot selection at times, less about him taking the shots- more in terms of his understanding that when his long range shooting touch is off- he has recognize it, accept it, and then find other ways of contributing on the offensive end. He has shown that he can get to the basket, he has to be more consistent in making a conscious effort to drive when his shooting touch isn't there.

What I have trouble with when you make blanket statements is that you obviously didn't take in the full magnitude of Gallinari's game against the Heat, where you can make the case that he was the best guy we had on the floor for most of the game, or what he accomplished in the Celtic game the second half. On D he also kept James from penetrating much of the game, which was probably his defensive role. He had no control of the fact that James would be hitting fall-away Js like they were layups.

I was not able to make any immediate comments following the Heat game because I was out of town and had now access to computer, but I did make a simple check and noticed that you didn't post anything on the Knicks/Heat thread during or after that game.

Tells me that you are more of a troll than a serious poster on this issue.

I am a troll cause i am stating the obvious?PLZ tell me with a straight face that he didn't cost the Knicks the game by chucking up a 3 when there was mere seconds to go and them up by 2 thats beyond bad shot selection thats utter stupidity!

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12/19/2010  10:24 PM
rich1223 wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
rich1223 wrote:I am going to laugh at that post because i know you cant be serious!But if your not then man you got more problems that mister chuck it Gallo!

I never get as excited over Gallo as the orange blob guy, but you have some issues in terms of your focus.

Inconsistency is an issue with any young player. Gallo is basically in his second year as a starter. He is still at the point where you make a bigger deal about the good things he does, rather than focussing on the negative.

I have issues with his shot selection at times, less about him taking the shots- more in terms of his understanding that when his long range shooting touch is off- he has recognize it, accept it, and then find other ways of contributing on the offensive end. He has shown that he can get to the basket, he has to be more consistent in making a conscious effort to drive when his shooting touch isn't there.

What I have trouble with when you make blanket statements is that you obviously didn't take in the full magnitude of Gallinari's game against the Heat, where you can make the case that he was the best guy we had on the floor for most of the game, or what he accomplished in the Celtic game the second half. On D he also kept James from penetrating much of the game, which was probably his defensive role. He had no control of the fact that James would be hitting fall-away Js like they were layups.

I was not able to make any immediate comments following the Heat game because I was out of town and had now access to computer, but I did make a simple check and noticed that you didn't post anything on the Knicks/Heat thread during or after that game.

Tells me that you are more of a troll than a serious poster on this issue.

I am a troll cause i am stating the obvious?PLZ tell me with a straight face that he didn't cost the Knicks the game by chucking up a 3 when there was mere seconds to go and them up by 2 thats beyond bad shot selection thats utter stupidity!


Quite obvious that you really did not understand the gist of what I was trying to say.

You do know that a troll can actually be right about something...don't you? You're a troll because you chose not to make any comments after the fine game Gallinari played against Miami, and was nowhere to be found in the Boston game thread, but did emerge from somewhere after Gallinari had a terrible game in Cleveland following the tough loss vs the Heat in which he played 40 hard minutes of ball.

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12/20/2010  1:15 AM
What you gotta do, really, all the time, is bring the heat. Go hard. I'm just saying, don't exclude Gallinari from future MVP consideration, because that's how good he can be.
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12/20/2010  12:07 PM
orangeblobman wrote:What you gotta do, really, all the time, is bring the heat. Go hard. I'm just saying, don't exclude Gallinari from future MVP consideration, because that's how good he can be.

Gallo can never be an MVP on an Amar'e Stoudemire team.

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