Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:DAMN IT! THE KINGS? GEEZ! I just got back to the Studio and I can't believe they wound up losing this game. What else can you say. This has been such a disappointment so far this year. It's like they try to find new ways to lose games they should win. How do they let the Kings score 118 points?

So many have tried to mold you over the yrs but you refuse to listen.

Hey this isn't about anything, but this team just not fighting thru and getting it done. The expectations aren't that high, so saying you expect a team to win half it's games in this weak Eastern Conference isn't being pollyanna or drinking too much Koolaid. That's expecting your team that has at least some talent to not only play up to that talent, but to push hard to play over their heads at times. We've all seen Knick teams in the past that did that. This team never has and it's such a relief to know that we won't have to deal with this group anymore after this year. We can finally start to come out of this LONG nightmare.

I'd blame more of it on the coach except we've seen many of these players not come thru for other coaches. Plus we know that DW was only concerned with salary cap issues, so we ended up with this group of guys looking for their next contract or just to get out of town. I just can't understand how they don't show up for a game like this. No guts. No pride. Makes you want to rip the jersey off these guys. They don't deserve to wear the colors.

Cosmic wrote:

djsunyc wrote:is there any relation between numbness in the fingers and the spine/back? this is the 2nd time he's said it happened.

Yes there is.

I can vouch for that. I get it.

I have been told my slipped disc sometimes pressures a nerve which causes my left forearm and hand to go numb. And it's not a ticklish numb it's a painful numb.

The worst time you ever smashed your funny bone type of numb. It just comes on by itself. It's weird. But it hurts and it renders my left hand pretty damn useless for some time.

Let us not forget the lingering weakness that also occurs.

I rested my back once 23 days straight...had to. Then when some normalcy returned I used free weights to strengthen the muscles close to the bad spot by isolation...seldom have a problem anymore.

The actual routine was I sat in a chair and put my feet on a concrete block, lean forwward and chest on the knees. Then using 5 lb weights and then later 10 pound weights I would do 'flys' in reverse. Also standing. It really did help Also pushups and dips. I was mostly pain free at that point. Shouldn't do anything like that without the okay of a doctor though.

TMS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:so when is d'antoni throwing in the towel on the season and playing hill and douglas? in april? i mean cmon.

April sounds about right

We all know three things:

1) It's all about 2010.

2) Still hoping to reduce more salary by the trade deadline, so, until the deadline passes (next thursday) everyone who can be traded will play.

3) Until mathematically eliminated the team won't shift focus. Unfortunately even the worst teams aren't mathematically eliminated until April.

.......well, whatever. It's all about finishing off the bad salary mistakes of the past and building a new team. So, as painful as this is, there is finally a TRUE light at the end of the tunnel. Not an Isiah "one more MLE signing" light of the oncoming train.

& what happened to "developing the youth" mantra MDA & Walsh were preaching about a month & a half ago? still waiting for that phase of the plan to kick in... aaaaaanyday now.

Well, that's just lip service....same as "being competitive".

Yet, when the trade deadline passes that is when you'll see a shift in who plays and how much.

Of course as I said they'll still say "Oh, we're only 10 games out of 8th, and there are 20 games to go, so we will play the players that give us the best chance to win!!!!"

*throws up*

oohah wrote:

nixluva wrote:Hey this isn't about anything, but this team just not fighting thru and getting it done. The expectations aren't that high, so saying you expect a team to win half it's games in this weak Eastern Conference isn't being pollyanna or drinking too much Koolaid. That's expecting your team that has at least some talent to not only play up to that talent, but to push hard to play over their heads at times. We've all seen Knick teams in the past that did that. This team never has and it's such a relief to know that we won't have to deal with this group anymore after this year. We can finally start to come out of this LONG nightmare.

I'd blame more of it on the coach except we've seen many of these players not come thru for other coaches. Plus we know that DW was only concerned with salary cap issues, so we ended up with this group of guys looking for their next contract or just to get out of town. I just can't understand how they don't show up for a game like this. No guts. No pride. Makes you want to rip the jersey off these guys. They don't deserve to wear the colors.

^^ The Kings are not that bad that they can't walk in and beat the Knicks. They've played without Kevin martin most of the year, they have played without Francisco Garcia, and they play in a much tougher conference. If they played in the East they have a better record and are right there for the playoffs.

oohah

Yeah but the Knicks have got to play tougher at home against teams that aren't elite teams. Since the losing has started they just can't get stops and that is inexcusable. As we've all said at a certain point defense is about effort and pride. Unless you're getting beat by superior talents like Lebron, Wade or Kobe, you have be able to step up and get stops against sub .500 teams.

nixluva wrote:

oohah wrote:

nixluva wrote:Hey this isn't about anything, but this team just not fighting thru and getting it done. The expectations aren't that high, so saying you expect a team to win half it's games in this weak Eastern Conference isn't being pollyanna or drinking too much Koolaid. That's expecting your team that has at least some talent to not only play up to that talent, but to push hard to play over their heads at times. We've all seen Knick teams in the past that did that. This team never has and it's such a relief to know that we won't have to deal with this group anymore after this year. We can finally start to come out of this LONG nightmare.

I'd blame more of it on the coach except we've seen many of these players not come thru for other coaches. Plus we know that DW was only concerned with salary cap issues, so we ended up with this group of guys looking for their next contract or just to get out of town. I just can't understand how they don't show up for a game like this. No guts. No pride. Makes you want to rip the jersey off these guys. They don't deserve to wear the colors.

^^ The Kings are not that bad that they can't walk in and beat the Knicks. They've played without Kevin martin most of the year, they have played without Francisco Garcia, and they play in a much tougher conference. If they played in the East they have a better record and are right there for the playoffs.

oohah

Yeah but the Knicks have got to play tougher at home against teams that aren't elite teams. Since the losing has started they just can't get stops and that is inexcusable. As we've all said at a certain point defense is about effort and pride. Unless you're getting beat by superior talents like Lebron, Wade or Kobe, you have be able to step up and get stops against sub .500 teams.

the nyk's arent elite either and are below 50% as well. so its a battle of middling teams.

im sure the other teams are thinking the same of the nyk's: we should be able to stop these guys, they dont play d, under 50%, etc...

Cosmic wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah but the Knicks have got to play tougher at home against teams that aren't elite teams. Since the losing has started they just can't get stops and that is inexcusable. As we've all said at a certain point defense is about effort and pride. Unless you're getting beat by superior talents like Lebron, Wade or Kobe, you have be able to step up and get stops against sub .500 teams.

Season's over bud.

They don't have to do anything.

You speak like we're on the verge of a playoff birth and all we need to do is this or that.

It's over.

And thank god cause I can't take much more of this elementary school type play.

Some posters never get it. Their stuck in their mind of confusion and warped processes of thinking. Our season has been over for a while. If we would have put a strong emphasis on developing talent and amassing as much of it as possible the past 2yrs no matter how valuable the assets were, we'd be further along than where we are now.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:we better damn well get a guy like Lebron to sign here this summer cuz if we don't we're gonna be spinning our wheels until we finally find someone to be a leader for this team & get these guys to start playing like they give a crap.

I was talking with my sons about this and what we should do in the event we don't get Lebron. Since it's highly possible that he won't be coming, we have to have a contingency plan. Who do you think we can get that has leadership skills or mentality? It seems that in building a winning team you can't leave that element out of the mix.

Look at how positive the effect of adding Billups was to the Nuggets. The team isn't perfect but he made a positive improvement IMO. Who can we get that has those kinds of qualities?

We may have to overpay to get such player or make an unfavorable trade. As of right now a player that comes to mind who isn't the caliber of player Billups is but does have similar leadership qualities is Raymond Felton. Now ask yourself how much coin do you really want to throw at this guy?

nixluva wrote:

Juice wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah but the Knicks have got to play tougher at home against teams that aren't elite teams. Since the losing has started they just can't get stops and that is inexcusable. As we've all said at a certain point defense is about effort and pride. Unless you're getting beat by superior talents like Lebron, Wade or Kobe, you have be able to step up and get stops against sub .500 teams.

Season's over bud.

They don't have to do anything.

You speak like we're on the verge of a playoff birth and all we need to do is this or that.

It's over.

And thank god cause I can't take much more of this elementary school type play.

Some posters never get it. Their stuck in their mind of confusion and warped processes of thinking. Our season has been over for a while. If we would have put a strong emphasis on developing talent and amassing as much of it as possible the past 2yrs no matter how valuable the assets were, we'd be further along than where we are now.

There's no logic to what you propose here, cuz there was no way that this team was gonna give up on the season before the trading deadline. You say the season has been over for a while, but clearly the team hasn't given up on the season a while ago nor now. I'm not crazy, cuz I realize that this org. is gonna try to win games until it's mathematically impossible for them to make the playoffs. So am I crazy for wanting the team to at least put up a fight if they're not shutting it down? I'm watching the team just like everyone else, but so long as they're still TRYING to get wins and haven't pulled the vets and give extended minutes to the kids, i'm gonna expect them to play hard and try to win.

There's nothing flawed with my logic as it points back to the beginning of the 2008 season. Apparently you aren't alert to what proper rebuilding is all about. There's no need to keep fighting at this point while deteriorating assets that need to be moved. The more we lose which we will because our schedule will be tougher it will be hard to prove the sell of this team moving to better times..... when the losing was done by the vets. We should be playing the kids to show they can win. I don't see how any fans confidence can be less on the kids vs these vets to win games. Our vets have done nothing but lose yr after yr. We're in a rebuilding phase yet don't play our kids enough and haven't collected enough assets to put around them in the invent our summer doesn't go as planned. We should be building this team as if no Free Agent will come because even our GM said himself it's rare to see a Star Player in his prime leave the team he's always been playing for or for a considerable amount of time, especially if they are in winning situations with the ability to earn Top Dollar.

Cosmic wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah but the Knicks have got to play tougher at home against teams that aren't elite teams. Since the losing has started they just can't get stops and that is inexcusable. As we've all said at a certain point defense is about effort and pride. Unless you're getting beat by superior talents like Lebron, Wade or Kobe, you have be able to step up and get stops against sub .500 teams.

Season's over bud.

They don't have to do anything.

You speak like we're on the verge of a playoff birth and all we need to do is this or that.

It's over.

And thank god cause I can't take much more of this elementary school type play.

cosmic you keep saying the Knicks start in 2010--if we dont get Lebron James--tell me what exactly will be different? Let me see--if we drafted Brook Lopez and Ty Lawson and kept Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford--that wouldve been a line up of--if we dont get Lebron James--the team we have next year couldnt touch this one. We would be able to compete in a very high plain.

C-Lopez
F-Randolph
F-Jefferies
G Chandler
G Lawson
F/C Lee
G Crawford
G Sessions
G Nate R

TMS wrote:thing is, we're not a middling team, we're a lower echelon team & have been so for several years... we can't even beat bottom of the barrel teams like the Wizards, Nets, Bucks & Kings when our season was on the line & guys all knew they had to step up... this happens every year w/this group... truth is this team has no heart, they're all more concerned about their own personal agendas than they are about doing the necessary things to win games... guys like D Lee, Duhon, Harrington & Nate are not leaders & our young kids are learning from these guys... we better damn well get a guy like Lebron to sign here this summer cuz if we don't we're gonna be spinning our wheels until we finally find someone to be a leader for this team & get these guys to start playing like they give a crap.

Papabear Says

Bring in Patrick Ewing as head coach and Oakley as assistant and watch this team grow. You have to have something special to be a real New York Knick. Ewing will get the respect and he will get us a true center and probably train him himself. This game had bad coaching bad egos and no defense. David Lee will not get 12 million a season and if he does the team is crazy. Take 9-10 mill and run.