What hurts is seeing how good Douglas is starting to look, but he's stuck behind guys like Hughes and Duhon on a 1-9 team. What sucks is seeing how good Hill looks, but he's stuck behind Lee and Harrington, neither of which gives two craps about winning games at this point on a 1-9 team. I would be very happy to see Lee, Harrington, Hughes and Duhon gone for any expiring contract and a 2nd round pick and just run out Nate, Douglas, Gallo, Hill, Chandler, Eddy (when on the diet pills), Landry and Iverson every night and see what happens.

Let's give Gallo all of Harringtons shots.

Paladin55 wrote:

martin wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

martin wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:amare averaged 14 and 9 his rookie year, with a season high of 38 points.

hill, who is 2 years older than amare was his rookie year, on the most optimistic prediction, maybe would average 6 points and 4 rebounds. (current avg: 5 pts 2 reb)

walsh whiffed on the pick. everybody needs to admit it. 8 games is more than enough time.

why would you declare a pick a whiff when the season and career is like 10 games in?

because jennings just dropped 55 in game 7. there were a bunch of players going in the draft, but i'll never forget looking at the dry erase board in my living room and crossing off evans, curry, rubio, and jennings was the last one on it. he's just perfect for this stage, flashy player, hard worker, SO quick, literally the perfect player to orchestrate this offense. this system NEEDS a good point guard or its all worthless, as we are seeing with duhon this year. 10 games in? ha, i watched jennings in his 3rd game and knew he'd be a solid pro. saw hill a week later at MSG live and was thoroughly unimpressed. dude was literally watching jumbo tron's "what song is the knick humming" during time outs. jennings had another tremendous performance tonight. is front-runner for ROY. yea, maybe hill develops into a double-double guy. whoppee doo. jennings is going to be a star in the league. i don't need any more of a sample to tell me that.

Jennings may be a solid PG. His career has nothing to do with Hill's.

It would seem that for some folks, no matter what Hill does, his career will be discounted because of the coexistence of Jennings in his draft.

I would hazard a guess and predict that the guys who speak up the most for Jennings are also going to be the ones who get on Hill's case the most, even if he shows solid growth as a player over the rest of the season.

If Jennings would have done in NY what he's doing in Milwaukee, many of the Walsh backers would promote him walsl for mayor of NY and compare him to rudy guillani.

NY is the mecca of basketball, Jennings is the guy that would have brought WOW back to the garden.

NUFF SAID !

oohah wrote:

tkf wrote:

then make your prediction and move on.. stop trying to state is as fact.. that is what you are trying to do and you got called on it.. now you are trying to divert the argument.. It is like saying, I predict the colts will win the superbowl, so give them the trophy and forget the remaining 7 games because I am not wrong... LOL.. it doesn't work that way. You can't predict something, and say you are not wrong for a fact before the act happens.... Just because you don't like a player... talk about twilight zone......

And whatever, I am not defending the bucks, if your argument is that he has bogut and nobody then carry on... obviously you don't watch the games... illyasova and ridnour were the reasons that the game went into OT and not continued to be a blowout.... jennings and his 8-22 shooting wasn't getting the job done..

again.. you fail...

goodbye...

TKF, you are possibly the most comparison-challenged dude I have ever had the pleasure of pwning! You football comaparison does not mirror the situation at hand of the Knicks picking a dude who cannot even grab minutes on a terrible team instead of picking a PG, something they knew they needed. My acknowledging your "argument", and I use that term loosely, was more recognition than it ever deserved.

You're saying that Ilyasova and Ridnour were the guys who carried the Bucks and not Jennings, the guys who almost put up a triple-double, because he missed some shots down the stretch? You better tell Skiles that he is making the wrong player his go to guy! It should be Ridnour or Ilyasova! Damn, better yet Jordan Hill! I'll just bet Milwwaukee is wishing they had Jordan Hill out there to anchor them!

Your argument isn't good enough to be a fail...it was a dud in the first place. It isn't even twilight bright.

Again, you have been straight PWNED.

oohah

yea, keep patting yourself on the back... thatis all you have.. If you think Hill not playing is because he is less talented than the guys ahead of him, just shows how dense you really are. That is not in hill's control, unless you are telling me that Dantoni's rotations are great, then hill being benched should be called into question and not becuase he isn't deserving.. but right now I am sure you will defend Dantoni's rotation and jeffries as a good player just so you can try to prove your point.. LOL. boy I love how you keep painting yourself into corners.... Really you keep pwning yourself.. someone who signiatures every one his silly post could never own me.... really.

And stop with the almost had a triple double.. what does that mean? he was 2 boards and 3 dimes away from a TD.. that is not almost. .this is not horseshoe.. His team was down 20 points, Illyasova came in and defended dirk well, scored and rebounded, luke scored his season high and shot them back into the game.. you have no damn clue what you are talking about here.. probably didn't watch the game.. try doing that. box score analysis doesn't work my friend.... not in your case at least..

Your argument isn't good enough to be a fail...it was a dud in the first place. It isn't even twilight bright.

Homie, you are wack, lame and your ish is old and nerdish... you have no argument and now you are trying to divert... Really this is a waste of time...

oohah!!!!!! rofl...

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:amare averaged 14 and 9 his rookie year, with a season high of 38 points.

hill, who is 2 years older than amare was his rookie year, on the most optimistic prediction, maybe would average 6 points and 4 rebounds. (current avg: 5 pts 2 reb)

walsh whiffed on the pick. everybody needs to admit it. 8 games is more than enough time.

Walsh whiffed on the pick because we needed a pg and Jennings was available. It is still too soon to evaluate Hill. Amare averaged more points but he also played more minutes. If you gave Hill 28 minutes a game, I could see him having a few 20 pts games and maybe even a 30 pt game if his jumper was falling. The kid can play. The only real question with him is whether his BBIQ develops to where he understands where he needs to be on the floor on offense and defense. He still looks lost out there at times, but even looking lost he managed to shoot and play better defense than Lee. Is he going to be the next Amare, I agree that is unlikely to happen. But the kid can be a quality PF if he develops. I think an young Antonio Mcdyess(?) would be his ceiling. His floor would be Chris Wilcox.

all I am saying is there are reasons which are pretty clear and obvious why Jennings fell to ten. If you go on snap judgements in the season he's a top 3 pick. You look at your data and make a decision. Everyone in this draft thought Jennings was a project and nowhere near NBA ready. 10th is around the place where those types of guys go, sometimes later. Gerald Green was rated #1 in the county and bombed. Eddy Curry, Donell Harvey, Zach Randolph were also #1 rated players. Of course so was Amare, Lebron, Dwight Howard and OJ Mayo.

At the end of the day you look at the tape, you have a guy in for workouts and do your research.

lol.. this is going to be tough to read:

Knicks president Donnie Walsh made a damning statement Friday, saying he didn't "have a good enough feel" for Jennings' game. Jennings leapt from high school to Italy last season.

"I thought I showed them enough in the workout on one-on-one drills, beating everyone else up and down the court, playing defense," Jennings said. "I thought me and D'Antoni would have a good relationship, speak a little Italian together and go to Italian restaurants. I seen what he did for Steve Nash."

D'Antoni said it's too early to brand the Hill pick a mistake, though a source said the Knicks' scouts were higher on Hill than was the coaching staff. D'Antoni hopes his last two stints will get Hill going.

"I felt happy for him because he hasn't had much of a chance," D'Antoni said of Hill's Friday cameo.

"We liked Jordan Hill, we knew [Brandon] was good," the coach said. "He had a good workout. We liked him. The consensus was Jordan Hill is a better talent. We also took Jordan at a spot we had a lot of guys. We just thought he was the best talent at that time. It's too early to make an assessment either way. Brandon has played well."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/jennings_new_york_missed_the_point_1uVQ6dbbV8x1sL2QKjViEM#ixzz0X7pwKgPH

good find.. but according to the experts around here... Dantoni is wrong.

where in this article does it indicate we aren't right?

fishmike wrote:playa.. the whole point is nobody thought Jennings was ready to do what he's doing. Did he have the talent? Sure... but hey, so did Gerald Green. Jennings would have been a top 3 pick had teams had ANY idea he would be this ready. He was regarded as a project and thats why he went ten. Not saying its OK, no defending Walsh, just offering a reason why things happened the way they did.

It sucks. Last draft was when he went for the higher ceiling player. Oh well.

the problem with walsh and d'antoni is that they thought hill WAS the higher ceiling player. they compared him to Amar'e.

they knew they needed a PG and thought they could seduce JKidd or Sessions over the summer and wiffed terribly on Jennings. I'm not convinced Jennings would have done well in New York, but damn we're going to look like idiots next year.

If we had Jennings, Lebron would come here. Hands down. Why is he going to come here now?

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:playa.. the whole point is nobody thought Jennings was ready to do what he's doing. Did he have the talent? Sure... but hey, so did Gerald Green. Jennings would have been a top 3 pick had teams had ANY idea he would be this ready. He was regarded as a project and thats why he went ten. Not saying its OK, no defending Walsh, just offering a reason why things happened the way they did.

It sucks. Last draft was when he went for the higher ceiling player. Oh well.

the problem with walsh and d'antoni is that they thought hill WAS the higher ceiling player. they compared him to Amar'e.

they knew they needed a PG and thought they could seduce JKidd or Sessions over the summer and wiffed terribly on Jennings. I'm not convinced Jennings would have done well in New York, but damn we're going to look like idiots next year.

If we had Jennings, Lebron would come here. Hands down. Why is he going to come here now?

one at a time:
Cant call Hill a whiff... you just cant. We are just speculating. If there is a whiff isnt it MDA/Walsh thinking Lee/Harrington/Darko would be a better froncourt than it is? Hill is getting minutes and I think he's really showed us some good things. Like all new bigs he needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble. That being said he runs like a deer, has great length and has shown a very smooth jumper I didnt realize he had. Be a little patient but I expect good things from him. great things? Time will tell. Go look at David West's #s. Hopefully we dont have to wait that long.

On Lebron: Jennings was the one that wanted to play with Lebron, not vice versa. If Lebron comes here its going to be for a variety of reasons, and the 2009 season being among the lowest of the factors. He's going to get his own cable channel. His endorsements are going to enter a whole new bracket (Tiger Woods?). Knicks are setting up for two max earners. Thats why we didnt sign Sessions. Just in case the cap does take a hit we can offer Lebron the big deal and his pal Wade, or whoever he tell's Walsh to get. Then we have Curry and JJ's expiring deals we can pawn off to some crap team desperate to trim payroll. Maybe Dalembert? Ok4? Peja? Barron? Who cares if they have bad contracts. We already have Lebron and (Wade/Bosh/Amare/JJohnson/etc).

So as horrible as it all seems this really is a year of purging, and at the end of the day are people going to associate MDA/Walsh with 2 years of Isiah's backwash or are NBA players going to associate them with the Suns and Pacers teams that won year after year?

I am looking at this for the offseason:
2 max earners (Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Bosh, Johnson, Amare, Gay you have the list)
1-2 expensive role players in cash deals for Curry/JJSkinny (Dalembert, Peja, OK4, AK47, Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Bogut, who knows is available)
guys signed already (Gallo, Hill, Douglas, Chandler, Landry)
guys we draft (aquired picks from trades or $$$ deals like Douglas)

That is the plan and has been all along. This season is putrid beyond any expectations but the plan remains the same and has all along.

excellent post fish...

TMS wrote:i think it's pretty clear that Walsh & every other GM in the top 10 whiffed on Brandon Jennings, but it's still not clear if we whiffed on Jordan Hill... if Hill becomes a starter who will put up double doubles & block shots for us in a year or two, that's good enough for me.

AMEN..

martin wrote:by all accounts Jennings matured during his time in Europe... that's what I have been reading, even if he did have a not so good playing time statistically. Wonder if he had stayed and played in the NCAA if his scouting and marketability and exposure would have gone UP.

there is no doubt at all. He would have dominated CBB which is certainly catered to his game. He also would have dgone pretty deep into the NCAAs where that tourney is dominated by superior guard play. He would have been a household name and would have been a top 3 pick. Can anyone argue otherwise?

By sticking it to the man and not playing for free in the NCAA he cost himself several millions because of his lower draft position. No way do Thabeet, Harden, Hill, Flynn, Rubio or anyone not named Evans or Griffin get picked before Brandon Jennings. No way.

Jennings going to Europe cost him $7mm EASY over the first 4 years of his NBA career. God forbid the dude goes Shaun Livingston and blows out a gasket. $7mm is a lot of hoegaardens and beans

plus the short wing span hurt him

Damn just beating that to death.